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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 08 2010,03:32) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 07 2010,17:29) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 06 2010,10:55)
I just can't stand it when someone starts changing scripture to fit their personal views.mike
Hi Mike,You mean like you wanting to add the indefinite article ‘a’ to John 1:1 to fit ‘your’ personal views?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Touché
haha….
Quote (Baker @ Dec. 08 2010,07:30) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 06 2010,19:38) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 06 2010,18:56) Okay Pierre. 
Mikethe time we have on earth ,is to build in yourself the true faith in God and Christ,
and we have to build it so it will resit all kind of storms,and wen you build it and it is strong at your own eyes ,but God will see your hearth ,and if he is pleased with you he will make your faith grow inside you like the staff of Aaron.Nu 17:5 The staff belonging to the man I choose will sprout, and I will rid myself of this constant grumbling against you by the Israelites.”
God bless you brother
Pierre
I agree….How true that is. When I look back how God has worked with me, it is amazing. When the JW first told us about John 1:1 we said they are crazy…. Now I see it. To take it not only as the word of God, but also that The Word of God became flesh…..Then He showed me Rev. 19:13-16. And I said Hallelujah, Praise God….Peace Irene
IreneI hope all will be well
Pierre ,
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 08 2010,11:03) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 08 2010,03:32) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 07 2010,17:29) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 06 2010,10:55)
I just can't stand it when someone starts changing scripture to fit their personal views.mike
Hi Mike,You mean like you wanting to add the indefinite article ‘a’ to John 1:1 to fit ‘your’ personal views?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Touché
haha….
You know Ed, I ignored your post in the pre-existence thread because I thought it wasn't even worth my time to explain things that you should know because we've discussed them already. But you brought it from over there to here? Why? Did you think you would embarrass me? Think again.First of all Ed, WJ and SF, this started because Gene wants to add the word “IN” to John 1:14. Instead of, “the Word became flesh”, Gene wants it to say, “the Word came to be IN flesh”.
The indefinite article “a” appears 8284 times in the KJV. But guess what? Not ONCE does the Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek mss have “a” in their texts. Why? Because those languages don't use the indefinite article “a”. So how did it end up in the KJV 8284 times then? Because we add it in English to make the scripture understandable in our language.
Guess what else Ed? The Greek language DOES have a word for “IN”. So we don't have to add that word in John 1:14 to make the scripture understandable to us, do we?
It was a slanted post as you know one thing has nothing to do with the other. It was underhanded and it's only intention was to make me look foolish. But it has backfired, because if you think adding the “a” in John 1:1 is wrong, then you had also better take it out of the other 8284 scriptures it's used in.
Who are you to say it's okay to add the “a” in 8284 scriptures for our understanding, but it's not okay to add it in only ONE where it is needed? We've been through this subject before Ed, and I've showed you the other places the “a” is added before the word “god”.
Face it Ed, Jesus is either “a god” or “THE GOD”, for whether you like it or not, the “Word” IS Jesus. So which do you think scripture supports………..”a god” or “THE GOD”?
You disappoint me at times Ed.
Your friend,
mikeQuote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 08 2010,05:03) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 08 2010,03:32) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 07 2010,17:29) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 06 2010,10:55)
I just can't stand it when someone starts changing scripture to fit their personal views.mike
Hi Mike,You mean like you wanting to add the indefinite article ‘a’ to John 1:1 to fit ‘your’ personal views?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Touché
haha….
The bannana makes me luagh =)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 09 2010,12:09)
But it has backfired, because if you think adding the “a” in John 1:1 is wrong,
then you had also better take it out of the other 8284 scriptures it's used in.Your friend,
mike
Hi Mike,What does John 1:1 have to do with the others?
The indefinite article 'a' does not belong in John 1:1,
because the “HolySpirit” is GOD! (Acts 5:3-4 Luke 1:35)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Dec. 09 2010,15:08) Hi Mike, What does John 1:1 have to do with the others?
The indefinite article 'a' does not belong in John 1:1,
because the “HolySpirit” is GOD! (Acts 5:3-4 Luke 1:35)
And IF Jesus really WAS “the Word”, THEN would the “a” need to be added in John 1:1? YES or NOAnd btw, God's Holy Spirit is not “God”. (Acts 5:9) Again, something we've already been through.
How does the “God” of 5:3-4 suddenly become the spirit OF God in 5:9, Ed? Should 5:9 be translated “God of God”?mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 10 2010,11:39) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 09 2010,15:08) Hi Mike, What does John 1:1 have to do with the others?
The indefinite article 'a' does not belong in John 1:1,
because the “HolySpirit” is GOD! (Acts 5:3-4 Luke 1:35)
(1) And IF Jesus really WAS “the Word”, THEN would the “a” need to be added in John 1:1? YES or NO(2) And btw, God's Holy Spirit is not “God”. (Acts 5:9) Again, something we've already been through.
(3)How does the “God” of 5:3-4 suddenly become the spirit OF God in 5:9, Ed? Should 5:9 be translated “God of God”?mike
Hi Mike,1) You speak of irrelevant hypothetical’s!
If you were really a hermaphrodite, would
you then need to have 'a' baby? Yes or No?2) You saying something repeated over and over
does not change the FACTS one bit! (1Thess.5:21)3) Once again you try to bring up more irrelevances
based on your misunderstanding “OF” the Scriptures.
Is it any different: if we said 'the mind of Mike' is upset?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Dec. 11 2010,12:31) Hi Mike, 1) You speak of irrelevant hypothetical’s!
If you were really a hermaphrodite, would
you then need to have 'a' baby? Yes or No?
Answer the question Ed. If you believed the Word IS Jesus, then what would make more sense in John 1:1………..the Word was “God”, or the Word was “a god”?Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 11 2010,12:31) 3) Once again you try to bring up more irrelevances
based on your misunderstanding “OF” the Scriptures.
Is it any different: if we said 'the mind of Mike' is upset?
Yes Ed. Because one could say, “The mind of Mike was bewildered at the nonsense Ed J posted, but the heart of Mike was in a good place and happy that God loved Ed J anyway, and the body of Mike was well rested because of his happy heart.”So once again, answer the question. Should Acts 5:9 read “the God of God”?
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2010,12:55) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 11 2010,12:31) Hi Mike, You speak of irrelevant hypothetical’s!
If you were really a hermaphrodite, would
you then need to have 'a' baby? Yes or No?
Answer the question Ed. If you believed the Word IS Jesus, then what would make more sense in John 1:1………..the Word was “God”, or the Word was “a god”?mike
Hi Mike,I “really” do enjoy discoursing with you,
because you and I both seek agreement!
YHVH is One GOD! Jesus flesh was not God.In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to JOSHUA(74), Messiah(74);
also the following: JESUS(74), Cross(74), Gospel(74), and English(74).
Jesus Christ (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically:
(Jesus) Ιησους=74(x12), (Christ) Χριστоς=74(x20).
(Son of Man) υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40).JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS(=373) (John 19:19)
(Lōgôs) [λογος]=373 means “Word“, and 373 is the 74th Prime Number!
(Hō Lōgôs) [ο λογος]=443 means “The Word“ & 443 is the 86th Prime Number.
“God Word”=86 and אלהים=86 ĔL-ō-Hêêm both equal 86 and ĔL-ō-Hêêm is YHVH.Mike: THESE FACTS WILL NEVER CHANGE!! (1Thess.5:21)
Proof is simply matter of simple “OF” association, I will illustrate what they mean…
I will line up these ideas up better for you to see the associations they represent; OK?The “HolySpirit” is “The Word”(of God)!
Hebrew↔Greek
(86)אלהים=ο λογος(86th Prime)
(ĔL-ō-Hêêm)God=The Word(Hō Lōgôs)God=86 in Hebrew and “The Word”=86 in Greek ARE Theomatically EQUAL.
Theomatic numbers to prime number counterparts explain John 1:1 !This symbol ( > ) means GREATER THAN in mathematics
The pieces fit together perfectly: “The Word” (86) > “Word” (74).
In English it's comparable to (The LORD JEHOVAH) > (Lord Jesus) (God Son=74)
“The Owner” > “Owner “
JEHOVAH > Jesus
86 > 74God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2010,12:55) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 11 2010,12:31) Hi Mike, Once again you try to bring up more irrelevances
based on your misunderstanding “OF” the Scriptures.
Is it any different: if we said 'the mind of Mike' is upset?
Yes Ed. Because one could say, “The mind of Mike was bewildered at the nonsense Ed J posted, but the heart of Mike was in a good place and happy that God loved Ed J anyway, and the body of Mike was well rested because of his happy heart.”So once again, answer the question. Should Acts 5:9 read “the God of God”?
mike
Hi Mike,THE SPIRIT “OF” GOD is GOD! (John 1:1)
John 4:24 God is Spirit: and they that worship
him(YHVH) must worship him in spirit and in truth.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Dec. 11 2010,13:56) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2010,12:55) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 11 2010,12:31) Hi Mike, Once again you try to bring up more irrelevances
based on your misunderstanding “OF” the Scriptures.
Is it any different: if we said 'the mind of Mike' is upset?
Yes Ed. Because one could say, “The mind of Mike was bewildered at the nonsense Ed J posted, but the heart of Mike was in a good place and happy that God loved Ed J anyway, and the body of Mike was well rested because of his happy heart.”So once again, answer the question. Should Acts 5:9 read “the God of God”?
mike
Hi Mike,THE SPIRIT “OF” GOD is GOD! (John 1:1)
John 4:24 God is Spirit: and they that worship
him(YHVH) must worship him in spirit and in truth.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdYou stick to your believes that the “Holy Spirit” is God, as the JWs stick to their believes that God is through with the nation Israel. I don't know how many scriptures I have shown them to the contrary; they just wont butch.
When the bible says, “God's Holy Spirit”, or, the Spirit “OF” God, and Paul says, there is a “spirit” in man; what in your mind is meant by this “SPIRIT”? what is a spirit?
I know God is spirit, that is his nature; but, so are the angels, and so is Jesus.
Paul says, not all flesh is the same flesh; you have the flesh of fishes, flesh of birds, flesh of beasts, and flesh of man; but we are all flesh.
I believe there are differences of spirits in the “spirit world”, but, they are all spirit beings.
To be a spirit being, angel, does not make the angel “god”.
The word “god” simply means a “mighty” one, the bible shows us that.Psa 82:1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
“GOD the Father” is the “ALMIGHTY ONE”.
Act 5:9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out
This is how it reads in my bible, it says, “”Spirit of the Lord””; I may want to agree that it is the Spirit “OF” God, but how do you make that the Spirit “IS” God out of that?
How do you worship God in “spirit” and in “truth”?
You worship him in your “mind”, that is your spirit. Paul called it a spirit because it is the only “invisible” part “OF” man.
How do you worship God in “truth”? you worship God according to the teaching of Jesus; by “not” falsifying the testimonies of Jesus.Georg
Hi Georg,
So the spirit of Georg is NOT really Georg then; right?
Well then, just exactly who is the spirit of Georg?Yea Ed, We agree!! George you might want to check out 1Cor.12:4-13…. All same spirit, same God, same lord. Yes to Mike the God of God would be the same for me as the spirit of God or the word of God or Jesus of God. All one, all same!
To worship God in spirit is to worship Jesus, the word of God, the word is spirit, the word is truth, the word is life, Jesus is truth, Jesus is life, God is spirit, God is his words, God is truth. All are entangled, all are the same spirit of God, same lord of all, same Jesus the annointed one. IMO when I worship Jesus I am worshipping God or vicea/versa. We must come to the unity of ONE, God who is all and in all. IMO TK
Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 12 2010,08:47) Hi Georg, So the spirit of Georg is NOT really Georg then; right?
Well then, just exactly who is the spirit of Georg?
You're asking me because you don't know, or because you don't understand?
What is the spirit in man? is it another man? is it another person? What did Paul mean by when he said, “there is a spirit in man”?
I had ask you this question; are you still in your camouflage?
Is the “spirit” in man one thing, and is his “mind” something else?
The “spirit” in us is our “mind”, it is the only INVISIBLE part of man; that is why Paul refereed to it as SPIRIT. You can't see a spirit being, can you? neither can you see your MIND.
Do animals have a MIND/SPIRIT?Georg
Quote (Baker @ Dec. 12 2010,20:53) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 12 2010,08:47) Hi Georg, So the spirit of Georg is NOT really Georg then; right?
Well then, just exactly who is the spirit of Georg?
You're asking me because you don't know, or because you don't understand?
What is the spirit in man? is it another man? is it another person? What did Paul mean by when he said, “there is a spirit in man”?
I had ask you this question; are you still in your camouflage?
Is the “spirit” in man one thing, and is his “mind” something else?
The “spirit” in us is our “mind”, it is the only INVISIBLE part of man; that is why Paul refereed to it as SPIRIT. You can't see a spirit being, can you? neither can you see your MIND.
Do animals have a MIND/SPIRIT?Georg
Hi Georg,God's Signature
יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
YHVH=63 (God's Name יהוה translated into English)
Jesus=74 (God's Son's name in English is: “Joshua”)
HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The Word”: in all believers)
God The Father=117 (Representing “GOD”: יהוה האלהים)YHVH is GOD=117
God Spirit(117) = (117)יהוה האלהיםYou agree with me then that your 'spirit' is the essence of you; right?
The “HolySpirit” is YHVH! How do you manage to miss this “Bible Truth”(117)?
John 4:24 YHVH is Spirit: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter],
the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 12 2010,20:15) Yes to Mike the God of God would be the same for me as the spirit of God or the word of God or Jesus of God. All one, all same!
Ahhhhhhh! I don't know about you Tim and Ed!The “God of God”?
Does your God have a God Tim? How about yours Ed? Mine doesn't.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (Ed J @ Dec. 12 2010,08:47) Hi Georg, So the spirit of Georg is NOT really Georg then; right?
Well then, just exactly who is the spirit of Georg?
Ed, I know you are so full of wisdom, so let me ask you a simpler question.
You are a man, according to Paul there is a “spirit” in you; where do you think that spirit lives in you; under your skull? in your brain? in your heart? in your stomach, or do you sit on it?Georg
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2010,04:04) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 12 2010,20:15) Yes to Mike the God of God would be the same for me as the spirit of God or the word of God or Jesus of God. All one, all same!
Ahhhhhhh! I don't know about you Tim and Ed!The “God of God”?
Does your God have a God Tim? How about yours Ed? Mine doesn't.
peace and love,
mike
Hi Mike,Eph.4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord,
one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who
is above all, and through all, and in you all.Understanding the “Godhead”!
HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ! (Click Here)
“YHVH” ↔ “God”…………………………………..(Rom. 1:20)
“Christ”(77) = “And Father”(77)…………………..(Coloss.2:9)
“Body”(46) = “of all”(46)……………………………(Matt.10:29)
“Witness”(109) = “in you all”(109)…………………….(Acts 17:29)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Baker @ Dec. 13 2010,04:44)
Ed, (1)I know you are so full of wisdom, so let me ask you a simpler question.
You are a man, according to Paul there is a “spirit” in you; (2)where do you think that spirit lives in you; (3)under your skull? in your brain? in your heart? in your stomach, or do you sit on it?Georg
Hi Georg,1) Flesh and blood has not revealed that to you,
but my Father(HOLYSPIRIT) which is in heaven.2) The Spirit gives us life and is located in the blood.
For the life of the flesh is in the blood. (Lev. 17:11)
The body returns to dust, and the spirit(in the blood)
returns to God who gave us our life here! (Eccl.12:6-7)3) Since you seemed genuine in your question,
I felt I should explain to you fully rather
than simply saying all those places!Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Rev.21:2-3)To all: I don't get to wraped up in titles and names. No one name can describe God most high. Anything people place their heart and attention on with great admiration and love could be considered a god to them. I believe there is only one source of creation that we all came from. Source is all the combined elements necessary to create or procreate conscious, awareness of existence. Creation came from whatever source of life existed and put forward creation. I call that most high God. (I got that from Jesus)
Religion has so put God in such a small box that he is somewhat pictured as an old man with a white beard and a cane with a bad attitude, yet he loves you. He might kill you or take your life or a childs life but he loves you soooo much. Thats doo doo!
We are unable to comprehend the breadth or width or scope of God. So we put a title on source of God and it suffice's. Here is the kicker.
If in the beginning was God, only God and God is everywhere and all-comprehending, all powerful, omnicient, and all encompassing then there is no such thing as being outside of God. Eternal God was, is, is being and will be! All existence of creation would be happening inside of God. This is what I believe. God is one life source. All that is and all that is happening is within God. The only part that we partake of is through our awareness. You can be conscious and alive, but until you become aware it has no part in your experience.
So if God is ONE and everywhere, and God is light in which there is no darkness then outer darkness could only be lack of awareness of the truth. God is truth/light and in light is vision, comprehension and awareness. Darkness is lack of vision, comprehension and awareness.
Life is experienced abundantly with greater vision, light, awareness. In darkness there is death/covered life, with lack of vision and awareness. So with religion completely aside, the purpose for Jesus/God to come to his brothers and sisters in darkness and sin/error was to inlighten them to the truth (they had lost through religion) of who they really are in God!Jesus lighted the pathway to God through truth. All this in in the mind/heart of man. The recreation of the mind of man or the rebirth known as born again into truth/light, mental awareness of existence. Clear out of the mind any and all preconcieved religious notions and hear the overview of the truth of God from Jesus:
Jesus told us God was in us(the kingdom within). Jesus told us he had perfected us for service unto God. Jesus said his words are spirit and life from God. Jesus said…I have cleansed you through the words from God….I have ordained you, made you whole/ONE with God. Jesus fulfilled any or all so called requirements for oneness with God. Religion ceased with the old temple worship. The truth was God within, no place to go to find God. Jesus made us perfect through his final sacrifice, for all times for whosoever will accept and believe.
I believe that as we peel away old doctrines and religious beliefs (that were destructive before Christ) deep inside we have the purified mind of Christ. As we remove false beliefs, sin believing, unworthyness, uncleanliness, dark religious notions that have vieled the pure truth, we will rise up with healing in our wings. We will soar in a world of peace and love. There will nothing we cannot do, just like our example, Jesus the mighty King of kings. IMO, TK
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