Worship God the Father only?

[mikeboll64]

Hi Pierre,

Let's see if you're right.  If he responds with his best “Jesus is God” scripture, we'll know he actually DOES believe it and then we have the chance to show him how wrong the trinity is – scripture by scripture.

On the other hand, if he removes himself from the discussion, we'll know he does not even know WHY he believes Jesus is God – only that he was told that and believes the words of the man who told him that above the words of God Himself.

Time will tell.

Come on Mark……..I'm rootin' for ya!  

mike

[Lightenup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 27 2010,18:31)

Kathi: Quote Why are you not understanding that it is entirely possible that the word in Rev 3:14 is ruler and not beginning? I do admit that it could mean either in Rev 3:14.  I understand John to be saying “beginning” in that verse though.  It is my personal preference in that verse, and lines up perfectly with Col 1:15 and Proverbs 8. Kathi: Quote Why must the Son be a result of creation and not the result of being begotten by God as in an offspring with the eternal essence of His Father? Jesus IS the begotten Son of God Kathi.  And like I've said many times, when I begot my son, with the help of God I CREATED a new life where there was none before.  Anyone who begets is at the same time CREATING a new life. Jesus, however, cannot have had the same ETERNAL essence of his Father from his beginning, for he died.  Paul says that since he died though, he cannot die again, for NOW his God has granted him immortality. It's all in the scriptures for the reading Kathi. peace and love, mike

Hi Mike,

Rev 3:14
“To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation.NIV

Regarding Rev 3:14 you said:

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I do admit that it could mean either in Rev 3:14.

Thank you!

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I understand John to be saying “beginning” in that verse though. It is my personal preference in that verse, and lines up perfectly with Col 1:15 and Proverbs 8.

“Ruler” lines up quite nicely with these verses:

1 Cor 8:6b
…and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
NASU

John 1:3
3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
NASU

John 1:10b
…the world was made through Him…
NASU

Col 1:16-17
16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities — all things have been created through Him and for Him.
17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
NASU

Matt 8:26-27
26 He said to them, “Why are you afraid, you men of little faith?” Then He got up and rebuked the winds and the sea, and it became perfectly calm.
27 The men were amazed, and said, “What kind of a man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey Him?”
NASU

Luke 10:17
17 The seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.”
NASU

[Lightenup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 27 2010,18:31)

Kathi: Quote Why must the Son be a result of creation and not the result of being begotten by God as in an offspring with the eternal essence of His Father? Jesus IS the begotten Son of God Kathi.  And like I've said many times, when I begot my son, with the help of God I CREATED a new life where there was none before.  Anyone who begets is at the same time CREATING a new life. Jesus, however, cannot have had the same ETERNAL essence of his Father from his beginning, for he died.  Paul says that since he died though, he cannot die again, for NOW his God has granted him immortality. It's all in the scriptures for the reading Kathi. peace and love, mike

Hi Mike again,

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Jesus, however, cannot have had the same ETERNAL essence of his Father from his beginning, for he died.

I know that the flesh body, His 'temple' died but I don't believe that His Spirit or Soul died. The divinity part of Jesus did not die, as far as I can tell.

That part of a man that gets buried is dead but the spirit goes on.

James 2:26
26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead,
NASU

Luke 23:46
46 And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said, “Father, INTO YOUR HANDS I COMMIT MY SPIRIT.” Having said this, He breathed His last.
NASU

His body was resurrected and the spirit was returned to it and the resurrected body is what was granted immortality. The pre-existing eternal essence of Christ did not die. The human essence of Christ died.

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 29 2010,12:04)

Hi Pierre, Let's see if you're right.  If he responds with his best “Jesus is God” scripture, we'll know he actually DOES believe it and then we have the chance to show him how wrong the trinity is – scripture by scripture. On the other hand, if he removes himself from the discussion, we'll know he does not even know WHY he believes Jesus is God – only that he was told that and believes the words of the man who told him that above the words of God Himself. Time will tell. Come on Mark……..I'm rootin' for ya!   mike

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 29 2010,12:58)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 27 2010,18:31) Kathi: Quote Why are you not understanding that it is entirely possible that the word in Rev 3:14 is ruler and not beginning? I do admit that it could mean either in Rev 3:14.  I understand John to be saying “beginning” in that verse though.  It is my personal preference in that verse, and lines up perfectly with Col 1:15 and Proverbs 8. Kathi: Quote Why must the Son be a result of creation and not the result of being begotten by God as in an offspring with the eternal essence of His Father? Jesus IS the begotten Son of God Kathi.  And like I've said many times, when I begot my son, with the help of God I CREATED a new life where there was none before.  Anyone who begets is at the same time CREATING a new life. Jesus, however, cannot have had the same ETERNAL essence of his Father from his beginning, for he died.  Paul says that since he died though, he cannot die again, for NOW his God has granted him immortality. It's all in the scriptures for the reading Kathi. peace and love, mike Hi Mike, Rev 3:14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation.NIV Regarding Rev 3:14 you said: Quote I do admit that it could mean either in Rev 3:14. Thank you! Quote I understand John to be saying “beginning” in that verse though.  It is my personal preference in that verse, and lines up perfectly with Col 1:15 and Proverbs 8. “Ruler” lines up quite nicely with these verses: 1 Cor 8:6b …and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.   NASU John 1:3 3  All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.   NASU John 1:10b …the world was made through Him… NASU Col 1:16-17 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities — all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.   NASU Matt 8:26-27 26 He said to them, “Why are you afraid, you men of little faith?” Then He got up and rebuked the winds and the sea, and it became perfectly calm. 27 The men were amazed, and said, “What kind of a man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey Him?” NASU Luke 10:17 17 The seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.” NASU

Kathi

i have but one question;in heaven what are the RULE(S) that all are subject to

Pierre

[Lightenup]

Pierre,
Interesting question. We will be perfect and will always do what the Father and Son ask.

Gal 5:18-23
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.
19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
NASU

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 29 2010,15:13)

Pierre, Interesting question.  We will be perfect and will always do what the Father and Son ask. Gal 5:18-23 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. NASU

Kathi

this is not answering the question,because how do you explain Satan corruption??

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 29 2010,06:19)

His body was resurrected and the spirit was returned to it and the resurrected body is what was granted immortality.  The pre-existing eternal essence of Christ did not die.  The human essence of Christ died.

Hi Kathi,

All I know is that Jesus died the same way other men die.  All of our spirits go back to God.  And all of our spirits will someday be returned.  But Jesus said not all will “taste death” and Paul says Jesus “tasted death” for us all.

I think after Jesus, some went right from their mortal bodies to the immortal ones in heaven without waiting for the judgement day.  Jesus was NOT one of those, for he definitely “tasted death”, so he was as dead as any other man can be.

But if you think Jesus always was immortal because God gave him back his spirit, then those of us who are raised to immortality could also say we were immortal from the beginning because only our bodies died, and our spirits remained alive with God until He gave them back to us.

Does this make sense?  I'm kind of tired.  

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 29 2010,08:13)

Pierre, Interesting question. We will be perfect and will always do what the Father and Son ask.

Hi Kathi,

I have to agree with Pierre on this one. It would seem that being immortal and having a heavenly body does not make one “perfect” and mean they obey all of God's commands. For Satan and a third of God's angels do not fit in with this reasoning.

I believe we are being perfected as we learn truth. But God doesn't want robots who can't possibly mess up. He wants faithful servants who know the rules completely and CHOOSE not to mess up.

He wants a bunch of little Jesus' running around heaven!

peace and love,
mike

[Lightenup]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 28 2010,20:06)

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 29 2010,15:13) Pierre, Interesting question.  We will be perfect and will always do what the Father and Son ask. Gal 5:18-23 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. NASU Kathi this is not answering the question,because how do you explain Satan corruption?? Pierre

Hi Pierre,
I was referring to the new heavens and the new earth. What the 'rules' were in heaven when satan fell I don't know.

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 30 2010,00:14)

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 28 2010,20:06) Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 29 2010,15:13) Pierre, Interesting question.  We will be perfect and will always do what the Father and Son ask. Gal 5:18-23 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. NASU Kathi this is not answering the question,because how do you explain Satan corruption?? Pierre Hi Pierre, I was referring to the new heavens and the new earth.  What the 'rules' were in heaven when satan fell I don't know.

Kathi

the rule(s) have never changed and will never change ;because God is the same past, present and future,

Pierre

[Lightenup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 28 2010,20:50)

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 29 2010,06:19) His body was resurrected and the spirit was returned to it and the resurrected body is what was granted immortality.  The pre-existing eternal essence of Christ did not die.  The human essence of Christ died. Hi Kathi, All I know is that Jesus died the same way other men die.  All of our spirits go back to God.  And all of our spirits will someday be returned.  But Jesus said not all will “taste death” and Paul says Jesus “tasted death” for us all. I think after Jesus, some went right from their mortal bodies to the immortal ones in heaven without waiting for the judgement day.  Jesus was NOT one of those, for he definitely “tasted death”, so he was as dead as any other man can be. But if you think Jesus always was immortal because God gave him back his spirit, then those of us who are raised to immortality could also say we were immortal from the beginning because only our bodies died, and our spirits remained alive with God until He gave them back to us. Does this make sense?  I'm kind of tired.   mike

Mike,
Yes, you made sense but you have switched my words 'eternal essence' into the idea of 'immortality.' Having immortality is what we become after attaining eternal life. We did not need to have eternal essence to attain eternal life/immortality. Eternal essence that I apply to the Father and the Son is a divine essence that always existed in the past.

I am not questioning if Jesus tasted death, yes He tasted death. He felt the pain all over his body and I am sure it was excruciating and He stopped breathing. His body was buried, His spirit went to the Father, His soul went to Hades to set the believing captives free from what I see. Then on the third day the body, soul and spirit were reunited and this time the body was a glorified body and many were resurrected. Here are some verses:

ET ©
Acts 2:31 David by foreseeing this spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did his body experience decay.

NKJV ©
Act 2:31
“he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption

Eph 4:8-10
8 Therefore it says, “WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES, AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN.”
9 (Now this expression, “He ascended,” what does it mean except that He also had descended into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.)
NASU

[Lightenup]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 29 2010,01:48)

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 30 2010,00:14) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 28 2010,20:06) Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 29 2010,15:13) Pierre, Interesting question.  We will be perfect and will always do what the Father and Son ask. Gal 5:18-23 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. NASU Kathi this is not answering the question,because how do you explain Satan corruption?? Pierre Hi Pierre, I was referring to the new heavens and the new earth.  What the 'rules' were in heaven when satan fell I don't know. Kathi the rule(s) have never changed and will never change ;because God is the same past, present and future, Pierre

Pierre,
He has the freedom to change the rules. His character is what is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, not the 'rules.'

The rules on circumcision changed, for instance.

[theodorej]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 29 2010,18:07)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 28 2010,20:50) Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 29 2010,06:19) His body was resurrected and the spirit was returned to it and the resurrected body is what was granted immortality.  The pre-existing eternal essence of Christ did not die.  The human essence of Christ died. Hi Kathi, All I know is that Jesus died the same way other men die.  All of our spirits go back to God.  And all of our spirits will someday be returned.  But Jesus said not all will “taste death” and Paul says Jesus “tasted death” for us all. I think after Jesus, some went right from their mortal bodies to the immortal ones in heaven without waiting for the judgement day.  Jesus was NOT one of those, for he definitely “tasted death”, so he was as dead as any other man can be. But if you think Jesus always was immortal because God gave him back his spirit, then those of us who are raised to immortality could also say we were immortal from the beginning because only our bodies died, and our spirits remained alive with God until He gave them back to us. Does this make sense?  I'm kind of tired.   mike Mike, Yes, you made sense but you have switched my words 'eternal essence' into the idea of 'immortality.'  Having immortality is what we become after attaining eternal life.  We did not need to have eternal essence to attain eternal life/immortality.  Eternal essence that I apply to the Father and the Son is a divine essence that always existed in the past. I am not questioning if Jesus tasted death, yes He tasted death.  He felt the pain all over his body and I am sure it was excruciating and He stopped breathing.  His body was buried, His spirit went to the Father, His soul went to Hades to set the believing captives free from what I see.  Then on the third day the body, soul and spirit were reunited and this time the body was a glorified body and many were resurrected.  Here are some verses: ET © Acts 2:31 David by foreseeing this spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was neither abandoned to Hades,  nor did his body experience decay. NKJV © Act 2:31 “he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption Eph 4:8-10 8 Therefore it says, “WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES, AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN.” 9 (Now this expression, “He ascended,” what does it mean except that He also had descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.) NASU

Greetings Kathi……I detect a thread of the creed in your recital….not to deminish the substance of the verbeage of the creed,my issue lies with the authors and its purpose…Having said that,lets examine the term HADES.In those days hades was the garbage dump for the community that consisted of several burning fires for the consumption of refuse….Hell on the other hand was a term used to describe a hole in the ground that had multiple purposes one of which was burial as well as storage of certain produce…If we examine the events following the crucifixion we see that Jesus was placed in a Tomb,not a hole in the ground or a garbage dump…..He experienced death and was born of it,therefore his body never decayed,he rose from the dead body and all…..The events that followed is a glaring example of what God has planned for all of us….

[mikeangel]

God never changes.
Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Jesus never changes.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

God is the only Saviour.
“I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.” Isaiah 43:11

To the only wise God our Saviour… Jude 1:12

God our Saviour. Titus 2:10

…we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour. I Timothy 4:10

God my Saviour. Luke 1:47
Jesus is the only Saviour.
…the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 1 John 4:14

…our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. II Peter 3:18

…God and our Saviour Jesus Christ. II Peter 1:1

…the Christ, the Saviour of the world. John 4:42

…the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. Titus 1:4

a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. Luke 2:11

Neither is there salvation in any other (than Jesus): for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
–Acts 4:12

…salvation… is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
–2 Timothy 2:10

…captain of their salvation [Jesus] perfect through sufferings.
— Heb 2:10

[Jesus]…author of eternal salvation…
— Heb 5:9

God Jesus
God created the universe and earth by Himself.
I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. Isaiah 44:24

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Genesis 1:1
Jesus Christ created the universe and the earth.
nto the Son he saith…Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands. Hebrews 1:10

y him [Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth…all things were created by him, and for him. Colossians 1:16

All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. John 1:3

God Jesus
God is the Word.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God John 1:1
Jesus is the Word.
…the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us…John 1:14

God Jesus
God is the first and the last.

I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he. Isaiah 41:4
Jesus is the first and the last.

Jesus said, “Fear not; I am the first and the last:” Revelation 1:17

God  Jesus
God forgives sins.
[T]he Lord..forgiveth all thine iniquities… Psalm 103:2-3

“[W]ho can forgive sins but God only?” Mark 2:7
Jesus forgives sins.
Jesus…said…”Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.” Mark 2:5

God Jesus
God is our redeemer.
[T]hou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer.. Isaiah 63:16
Jesus redeemed us.
[T]the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ…gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity.. Titus 2:13-14

God Jesus
God is one.

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD. Deuteronomy 6:4
Jesus and God are one.

I and my Father are one. John 10:30

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God…All things were made by him…He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not…And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us John 1:1, 3, 10, 14

Jesus saith…he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 14:9

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7

God has a Son.

[T]he LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Psalms 2:7
Jesus is God's Son.

… [Jesus] said also that God was his Father… John 5:18

God  Jesus
God is the Holy One
Psalms 71:22 I will also praise thee with the psaltery, even thy truth,O my God: unto thee will I sing with the harp, O thou Holy One of Israel.

Psalms 78:41 Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel.

Psalms 89:18 For the LORD is our defence; and the Holy One of Israel is our king.

Isaiah 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.

Psalms 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (Messianic Psalm)
Jesus is the Holy One.
Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

3:13-14 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

13:34-35 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David. Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

God  Jesus
Only God is worshipped.
… Then saith Jesus unto him… Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Matthew 4:10
Jesus is worshipped.
While [Jesus] spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him… Matthew 9:18

And again, when [God] bringeth in the firstbegotten [Jesus] into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Hebrews 1:6

And Thomas answered and said unto [Jesus], My Lord and my God. John 20:28

God Jesus
God is Messiah.
…unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder…and his name shall be called… The mighty God, The everlasting Father… Isaiah 9:6
Jesus is Messiah.
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he. John 4:25-26

God Jesus
God is from everlasting.

The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved. Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting. Psalms 93:1-2
Messiah Yeshua [Jesus] is from everlasting.

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah…out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. Micah 5:2

God  Jesus
Only God is glorified.
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another… Isaiah 42:8
God glorified Jesus.
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. John 17:5

[A]ll men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. John 5:23

But unto the Son he [God] saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Hebrews 1:8

God Jesus
God is 'I am'.
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. Exodus 3:14
Jesus is 'I am'.
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:58

God heals all diseases.
Bless the LORD…who healeth all thy diseases. Psalms 103:2
Jesus heals all diseases.
[Jesus] healed all that were sick. Matthew 8:16

God is the Judge of the whole ear
th.
O Lord God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself. Lift up thyself, thou judge of the earth: render a reward to the proud. Psalms 94:1-2

[Abraham to God]…Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? Genesis 18:25
Jesus is the Judge of the whole earth.
[T]he Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: John 5:22

God has life in Himself.
[T]he Father hath life in himself; John 5:26
Jesus has life in Himself.
so hath [God] given to the Son to have life in himself;

In [Jesus] was life; and the life was the light of men. John 1:4

God raises the dead.
[T]he Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; John 5:21
Jesus raises the dead.
[T]he Son quickeneth whom he will. John 5:21

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Conclusion…  

Jesus Christ is God

The scriptures bear abundant testimony that Jesus Christ is God. Some liberal preacher will say to me, “You take the Bible literally. It's just myths.” I answer, “Yes, I believe the Bible 100%. It is the word of God. If you don't believe it, Jesus is of no effect to you, ye are yet in your sins.”

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Additional Verses

[mikeangel]

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.

John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

John 10:30-31
I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

John 10:38-39
The Father is in me, and I in him. Therefore they sought again to take him.

John 14:9
He that hath seen me hath seen the Father.

John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Colossians 1:16
For by him [Jesus] were all things created.

Colossians 2:9
For in him [Jesus] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

1 Timothy 3:16
God was made manifest in the flesh.

Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.

Philippians 2:6
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.

Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Revelation 1:17
Fear not; I am the first and the last.

Revelation 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

[theodorej]

Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 29 2010,21:24)

God never changes. Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. Jesus never changes. Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. God is the only Saviour. “I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.” Isaiah 43:11 To the only wise God our Saviour… Jude 1:12 God our Saviour. Titus 2:10 …we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour. I Timothy 4:10 God my Saviour. Luke 1:47 Jesus is the only Saviour. …the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 1 John 4:14 …our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. II Peter 3:18 …God and our Saviour Jesus Christ. II Peter 1:1 …the Christ, the Saviour of the world. John 4:42 …the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. Titus 1:4 a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. Luke 2:11 Neither is there salvation in any other (than Jesus): for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. –Acts 4:12 …salvation… is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. –2 Timothy 2:10 …captain of their salvation [Jesus] perfect through sufferings. — Heb 2:10 [Jesus]…author of eternal salvation… — Heb 5:9 God Jesus God created the universe and earth by Himself. I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. Isaiah 44:24 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Genesis 1:1 Jesus Christ created the universe and the earth. nto the Son he saith…Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands. Hebrews 1:10 y him [Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth…all things were created by him, and for him. Colossians 1:16 All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. John 1:3 God Jesus God is the Word. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God John 1:1 Jesus is the Word. …the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us…John 1:14 God Jesus God is the first and the last. I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he. Isaiah 41:4 Jesus is the first and the last. Jesus said, “Fear not; I am the first and the last:” Revelation 1:17 God  Jesus God forgives sins. [T]he Lord..forgiveth all thine iniquities… Psalm 103:2-3 “[W]ho can forgive sins but God only?” Mark 2:7 Jesus forgives sins. Jesus…said…”Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.” Mark 2:5 God Jesus God is our redeemer. [T]hou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer.. Isaiah 63:16 Jesus redeemed us. [T]the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ…gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity.. Titus 2:13-14 God Jesus God is one. Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD. Deuteronomy 6:4 Jesus and God are one. I and my Father are one. John 10:30 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God…All things were made by him…He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not…And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us John 1:1, 3, 10, 14 Jesus saith…he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 14:9 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7 God has a Son. [T]he LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Psalms 2:7 Jesus is God's Son. … [Jesus] said also that God was his Father… John 5:18 God  Jesus God is the Holy One Psalms 71:22 I will also praise thee with the psaltery, even thy truth,O my God: unto thee will I sing with the harp, O thou Holy One of Israel. Psalms 78:41 Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel. Psalms 89:18 For the LORD is our defence; and the Holy One of Israel is our king. Isaiah 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. Psalms 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (Messianic Psalm) Jesus is the Holy One. Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 3:13-14 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; 13:34-35 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David. Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. God  Jesus Only God is worshipped. … Then saith Jesus unto him… Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Matthew 4:10 Jesus is worshipped. While [Jesus] spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him… Matthew 9:18 And again, when [God] bringeth in the firstbegotten [Jesus] into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Hebrews 1:6 And Thomas answered and said unto [Jesus], My Lord and my God. John 20:28 God Jesus God is Messiah. …unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder…and his name shall be called… The mighty God, The everlasting Father… Isaiah 9:6 Jesus is Messiah. The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he. John 4:25-26 God Jesus God is from everlasting. The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved. Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting. Psalms 93:1-2 Messiah Yeshua [Jesus] is from everlasting. But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah…out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. Micah 5:2 God  Jesus Only God is glorified. I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another… Isaiah 42:8 God glorified Jesus. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. John 17:5 [A]ll men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. John 5:23 But unto the Son he [God] saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Hebrews 1:8 God Jesus God is 'I am'. And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. Exodus 3:14 Jesus is 'I am'. Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:5 8 God heals all diseases. Bless the LORD…who healeth all thy diseases. Psalms 103:2 Jesus heals all diseases. [Jesus] healed all that were sick. Matthew 8:16 God is the Judge of the whole earth. O Lord God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself. Lift up thyself, thou judge of the earth: render a reward to the proud. Psalms 94:1-2 [Abraham to God]…Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? Genesis 18:25 Jesus is the Judge of the whole earth. [T]he Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: John 5:22 God has life in Himself. [T]he Father hath life in himself; John 5:26 Jesus has life in Himself. so hath [God] given to the Son to have life in himself; In [Jesus] was life; and the life was the light of men. John 1:4 God raises the dead. [T]he Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; John 5:21 Jesus raises the dead. [T]he Son quickeneth whom he will. John 5:21 ——————————————————————————– Conclusion…   Jesus Christ is God The scriptures bear abundant testimony that Jesus Christ is God. Some liberal preacher will say to me, “You take the Bible literally. It's just myths.” I answer, “Yes, I believe the Bible 100%. It is the word of God. If you don't believe it, Jesus is of no effect to you, ye are yet in your sins.” ——————————————————————————– Additional Verses

Greetings Mike…..I have read the scripture….Is there any inacuracy in what I posted with repect to hades and hell…Iam curious???

[mikeangel]

O.K. I am a little lazy this morning. I'm tired from worshipping Jesus yesterday. Whew! It feels sooo Good. I pulled a terricca. I went to a site where somebody else did the work and cut and pasted it. You can find all kinds of sites to refute it. Its a big Peeing contest. I will never influance you into realizing Jesus is God, or you changing me. The fact remains either one of you do nothing for God but divide and confuse. You, in the spirit of satan, attempt to get people to deny Christ as Lord. Satan has blinded you and convinced you this is good, changing dark into light for you, but it is still dark. Your talk is bold but your deeds are few, with your so-called “correct worship” of bible lawyering, you make the pharasees proud. You are easy for me to discern. You do not respond to “I love you”, which says volumes about both of you. If I do not respond to your “arguements” from here on out it is not that I am concedeing, I am just becoming aware of the true nature of you both, and I know “you can't teach a pig to sing, it never will, and it only irritates it”, “do not throw you pearls before swine”. Like I said before, see you at the gate, I pray you don't mislead to many souls on here………

[mikeangel]

Theo,
I hope you know that was ment for terrica and Mikeboll.

I read it, and it makes sense to me. I also understand what Kathi is saying. I think that after he died, it says “he gave up his sprit” and I do not know and haven't studied it enough to state it. IMO I think he in spirit gathered those already laid to rest. It says in one of the gospels that some of the saints that were dead were raised and appeared to many. I do not know exactly where Jesus' spirit went then or why, but I know that he rose from the dead and ascended to heaven. Thats what is important to me, and those who believe in him as Lord and savior will share in that. Godbless

[mikeangel]

Theo,

I dod see this in readong my post again-

Psalms 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (Messianic Psalm)
Jesus is the Holy One.
Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

This infers he was in hell before he was raised imo. Love-Mark

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