Worship God the Father only?

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Pierre,

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we should be you are keeping trowing that bolt in the gears of truth

Add writing skills to what I said about your Bible study skills and your comprehension skills. They all need work, my friend

[mikeboll64]

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As you can see, I am not going play how many ways can we write the equation in order to confuse everybody. It is what it is.

That's true. And what it is is a figment of your imagination that is not supported by ANY scripture in the Bible.

Like I said: It's YOUR story, tell it how you want to.

[mikeboll64]

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So, you want me to show you how a compound unity is referred to with singular, personal pronouns.  Is that right?  And will that put an end to it? Kathi

I want you to show me an example where two or more PERSONS are ever referred to with a singular, personal pronoun such as “HE” or “HIM”.

[mikeboll64]

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Quote (Lightenup @ July 20 2011,21:57) According to Kathi, you guys are united in stubborneness…one compound unity of stubborness Kathi Quote stubborneness we should be you are keeping trowing that bolt in the gears of truth     Pierre

Pierre,

I think she's just getting testy because she's starting to realize that inventing a new doctrine is hard work.

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Mike,

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I want you to show me an example where two or more PERSONS are ever referred to with a singular, personal pronoun such as “HE” or “HIM”.

Well, I did with the legion thing.

Would you settle for a compound unity made up of persons where a singular personal pronoun is used to refer to the compound unity? Are you brave enough to face it? Shouldn't that be enough??

[mikeboll64]

You say that the being of the Father and the being of the Son, when together, are logically referred to as a “HE” when THEY are really a “THEM”.  I find that odd, because I've never talked that way, nor ever read any words by anyone all my life where TWO persons together are referred to as a “HE”.

So if by “compound unity”, you mean an example where more than one INDIVIDUAL PERSON are referred to as a “HE”, then lay it on me.

Btw, you've already killed your “Legion” thing by agreeing that only ONE demon said “MY name is Legion”.

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What if the compound unity is referred to as 'you' which in the Greek is a pronoun written in the singular person voice? Will that put an end to this?

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Mike,
If I show you where a compound unity is referred to as “her” and also as “you” with the 'you' and 'her' being singular pronouns and in different passages, will that put an end to this?

Hoping for unity in truth,
Kathi

[Worshipping Jesus]

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Mike, Quote I want you to show me an example where two or more PERSONS are ever referred to with a singular, personal pronoun such as “HE” or “HIM”. Well, I did with the legion thing. Would you settle for a compound unity made up of persons where a singular personal pronoun is used to refer to the compound unity?  Are you brave enough to face it?  Shouldn't that be enough??

Hi Kathi

How about the Bride of Christ. “She” will be without spot or wrinkle when “She” is married to Christ.

Everything in the Universe is a “plural unity” and the creation reveals the Glory of God.  Keep up the good fight of faith in defending there is only one God that upholds all things and by whom all things consist.  

Blessings Keith

[terraricca]

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Quote (Lightenup @ July 19 2011,23:42) Mike, Quote I want you to show me an example where two or more PERSONS are ever referred to with a singular, personal pronoun such as “HE” or “HIM”. Well, I did with the legion thing. Would you settle for a compound unity made up of persons where a singular personal pronoun is used to refer to the compound unity?  Are you brave enough to face it?  Shouldn't that be enough?? Hi Kathi How about the Bride of Christ. “She” will be without spot or wrinkle when “She” is married to Christ. Everything in the Universe is a “plural unity” and the creation reveals the Glory of God.  Keep up the good fight of faith in defending there is only one God that upholds all things and by whom all things consist.   Blessings Keith

WJ

is the bride of Christ really a women ?NO

or a allegory to represent the all of the 144k brothers that have been purchased from the earth to go where Christ lives in his glory ?yes

Pierre

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Quote (Lightenup @ July 19 2011,23:42) Mike, Quote I want you to show me an example where two or more PERSONS are ever referred to with a singular, personal pronoun such as “HE” or “HIM”. Well, I did with the legion thing. Would you settle for a compound unity made up of persons where a singular personal pronoun is used to refer to the compound unity?  Are you brave enough to face it?  Shouldn't that be enough?? Hi Kathi How about the Bride of Christ. “She” will be without spot or wrinkle when “She” is married to Christ. Everything in the Universe is a “plural unity” and the creation reveals the Glory of God.  Keep up the good fight of faith in defending there is only one God that upholds all things and by whom all things consist.   Blessings Keith

Kudos Keith,
That is where I was going…you just gave me confirmation, but it really is pretty clear, isn't it

PS…we made it to page 200!! I don't know if that is good or bad. Seems like this should be settled long ago and really not been an issue with such a wonderful Jesus that we have.

Thanks,
Kathi

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Ok Mike,
Since WJ gave it away, here is your example of a compound unity of persons referred to as a singular personal pronoun…look for the 'she' and 'her' in this passage and note that the church is a compound unity of many members, all with different positions.

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. 24 But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, 26 so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing ; but that she would be holy and blameless.

ta da!  Thank you Jesus!

Blessings,
Kathi

[terraricca]

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Ok Mike, Since WJ gave it away, here is your example of a compound unity of persons referred to as a singular personal pronoun…look for the 'she' and 'her' in this passage and note that the church is a compound unity of many members, all with different positions. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. 24 But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, 26 so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing ; but that she would be holy and blameless. ta da!  Thank you Jesus! Blessings, Kathi

Kathi

not so fast;
Jer 50:6 “My people have been lost sheep;
their shepherds have led them astray
and caused them to roam on the mountains.
They wandered over mountain and hill
and forgot their own resting place.
Mt 10:6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.
Mt 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

Jn 5:25 I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live.

Jn 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies;
Jn 14:19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.

2Co 5:15 And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.

Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.

who is the church ?

REV 14:1 Then I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads.
REV 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder, and the voice which I heard was like the sound of harpists playing on their harps.
REV 14:3 And they * sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one could learn the song except the one hundred and forty-four thousand who had been purchased from the earth.
REV 14:4 These are the ones who have not been defiled with women, for they have kept themselves chaste. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These have been purchased from among men as first fruits to God and to the Lamb

1CO 15:20 But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.
1CO 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming,

JAS 1:18 In the exercise of His will He brought us forth by the word of truth, so that we would be a kind of first fruits among His creatures

so the bride are people faithful to Christ and part of the first fruits 144K in total.

Pierre

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Pierre,
What does that have to do with the compound unity being expressed in singular personal pronouns?

Kathi

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Mike,
Here is another example of a compound unity being referred to with a singular personal pronoun as a 'she and a 'her.'

Isaiah 40:2

“Speak kindly to Jerusalem; And call out to her, that her warfare has ended, That her iniquity has been removed, That she has received of the LORD'S hand Double for all her sins.”

Jerusalem here is the gospel church and the true members of it.

Kathi

[terraricca]

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Pierre, What does that have to do with the compound unity being expressed in singular personal pronouns? Kathi

Kathi

it is to show you that the SHE is not a SHE but a all bunch of HE,s like 144K

so you try to make a connection with your compounded the he and the she ,but the she is all of he s or mixed ?

so you do not stand in truth

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

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Ok Mike, Since WJ gave it away, here is your example of a compound unity of persons referred to as a singular personal pronoun…look for the 'she' and 'her' in this passage and note that the church is a compound unity of many members, all with different positions. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. 24 But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, 26 so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing ; but that she would be holy and blameless. ta da!  Thank you Jesus! Blessings, Kathi

Kathi,

The reason I SPECIFICALLY said “HE” is because THAT is the word you're claiming refers to TWO persons of the “God Unity” – or whatever you're calling it these days.

1.  Even a ship at sea is called a “she”, as is America.

2.  The KJV has:
25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

(The word in verse 27 is actually masculine.)

3.  Pierre's point, which is that Paul is speaking metaphorically as if the church was a female entity, which it literally is not.

Unless you think that our “God Unity” is only metaphorically, and not literally a “HE”, I don't think this is a match.  Do you?

Please find me a “HE”, “HIS” or “HIM” example.

Thanks,
mike

[mikeboll64]

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PS…we made it to page 200!!  I don't know if that is good or bad.  Seems like this should be settled long ago and really not been an issue with such a wonderful Jesus that we have.

Nobody is doubting how wonderful Jesus is, Kathi.  But you are right, this really should have been settled on page 1.  

God says to worship ONLY God Almighty.
Jesus says to worship ONLY God Almighty.
The angel in Rev says to worship ONLY God Almighty.
Scripture says to NOT worship the creation along with the Creator – a SINGULAR word that refers to God Almighty alone.

Yep.  Settled.  

[mikeboll64]

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Mike, Here is another example of a compound unity being referred to with a singular personal pronoun as a 'she and a 'her.' Isaiah 40:2 “Speak kindly to Jerusalem; And call out to her, that her warfare has ended, That her iniquity has been removed, That she has received of the LORD'S hand Double for all her sins.” Jerusalem here is the gospel church and the true members of it. Kathi

And I love our nation, Kathi. SHE is beautiful.

Like I said, “HE”, “HIM”, or “HIS” please. Apples to apples and all that.

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Mike,
You said this:

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And I'm telling you that a unity of PERSONS is never identified by a SINGULAR PERSONAL pronoun.

from here, sixth post down:
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….st=1930

Can you admit that I proved you wrong with the following passage according to your statement which I quoted? Yes or no?

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. 24 But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, 26 so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing ; but that she would be holy and blameless.

Will you please be honest, Mike.
Kathi

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