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Good Morning Berean,
We are told directly by Paul that celestial messengers have BODIES thus they are not spirit entities.
Hebrews 1 is not talking about celestial messengers but human messengers the SAINTS,
Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: 18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, 19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
Jesus has a name far above all saints, saints of the past, present and future of Paul’s time. Saints as you will read in scripture below likewise are given DOMINION under Christ, they will judge along with him. You will read Joel’s words at the end of this post that these saints are God’s messengers who are bringing forth FIRE.
Paul himself is a saint, a MESSENGER of God.
Ephesians 3:8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
Hebrews 1:4 having become so much better than the messengers, as he did inherit a more excellent name than they. 5 For to which of the messengers said He ever, “My Son thou art I today have begotten thee?” and again, “I will be to him for a father, and he shall be to Me for a son?” 6 and when again He may bring in the firstborn to the world, He saith, “And let them bow before him all messengers of God;” 7 and unto the messengers, indeed, He saith, “Who is making His messengers spirits, and His ministers a flame of fire;” 8 and unto the Son: “Thy throne, O God, is to the age of the age; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy reign; 9 thou didst love righteousness, and didst hate lawlessness; because of this did He anoint thee God, thy God with oil of gladness above thy partners;”
1 Thes 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
2 Thess 1:4 so that we ourselves do glory in you in the assemblies of God, for your endurance and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye bear; 5 a token of the righteous judgment of God, for your being counted worthy of the reign of God, for which also ye suffer, 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to give back to those troubling you trouble, 7 and to you who are troubled — rest with us in the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven, with messengers of his power, 8 in flaming fire, giving vengeance to those not knowing God, and to those not obeying the good news of our Lord Jesus Christ; 9 who shall suffer justice destruction age during from the face of the Lord, and from the glory of his strength, 10 when He may come to be glorified in his saints, and to be wondered at in all those believing because our testimony was believed among you in that day;
1 Corinthians 1:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
I Corinthians 16:15 I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and that they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,) 16 That ye submit yourselves unto such, and to every one that helpeth with us, and laboureth.
continued,
Psalms 89:7 God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about him.
Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Psalms 149:6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two edged sword in their hand; 7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; 8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; 9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD.
Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. 15 I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me. 16 I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things. 17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. 18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever. ..27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
Joel 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; 2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. 3 A FIRE devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them. 4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. 5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array. 6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness. 7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks: 8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded. 9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief. 10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: 11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?…32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
Hello All,
Continuing on scriptures about FAKE unclean spirits,
I Timothy 4: 1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;… 7 But refuse profane and old wives fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
Jeremiah 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.
Revelation 16: 9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory. 10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, 11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds. 12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
These are fake unclean spirits, the kings and their armies that make up the dragon and their prophets and priests believe in false gods with their fake devils. Prophets and priests would use trickery/illusions with fake spiritual visions, divinations, omens forseen as miracles, to convince kings they should go into battle telling them false fortunes that they would succeed.
Hi Gene,
Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil (diabolos/false accuser) shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil (diabolos/false accuser). 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Methodeia- deceit, craft, trickery. (1) Ephes 6:11 wile (1) Ephes 4:14 lie in wait
2 Corinthians 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: 4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds 5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
1 Corinthians 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. 6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
2 For, lo, the wicked bend their bow, they make ready their arrow upon the string, that they may privily shoot at the upright in heart.
Mark 4:19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
13 Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
12 And they said, There is no hope: but we will walk after our own devices, and we will every one do the imagination of his evil heart.
My understanding of Ephesians 6 is that it is a warning about persecution.
Christ’s faithful are not going into a battle of man against man tearing flesh apart and shedding blood wearing armor/breastplates, shields, helmets having iron swords.
In Ephesians 6 Christ’s followers were going to wrestle with the current rulers, men whose spirits were wicked who followed spiritual wickedness idolatry and witchcraft. It’s no secret that many Roman emperors who persecuted Christians believed themselves to be a god. Heavenly places, high places are described in the bible where men built places of false worship high towers, or the mountains where kings built places of worship and erected their false images.
Their fight is to withstand persecution taking the whole armor of God with them as they suffer all the fiery darts human adversaries/sawtawns who are devils/diabolos/false accusers-deceivers throw at them, remaining in their faith unto death, where they are promised to receive the crown of life.
Hi Gene,
When Paul wrote many of his books the Roman Emperor Nero was persecuting Christians putting them through torturous deaths, enjoying every minute of it. He was most certainly a FALSE ACCUSER/DIABOLOS-DEVIL. Not only this but Nero believed he was Apollo incarnate, where he had coins made of him saying he was the Almighty God and Savior, and coins with his portrait portraying him as Apollo.
Apollo was identified as the SUN, thus a “heavenly host”. Apollo -a god of archery, music and dance, truth and prophecy, healing and diseases, the Sun and light, poetry, and more. Nero, Apollo incarnate, most certainly practiced and surrounded himself with all manner of spiritual wickedness of Roman occult practices.
Here is an article I found online about his persecution against Christians,
Nero Persecutes The Christians, 64 A.D.
A generation after the death of Christ, Christianity had reached Rome in the form of an obscure offshoot of Judaism popular among the city’s poor and destitute. Members of this religious sect spoke of the coming of a new kingdom and a new king. These views provoked suspicion among the Jewish authorities who rejected the group and fear among the Roman authorities who perceived these sentiments as a threat to the Empire.
In the summer of 64, Rome suffered a terrible fire that burned for six days and seven nights consuming almost three quarters of the city. The people accused the Emperor Nero for the devastation claiming he set the fire for his own amusement. In order to deflect these accusations and placate the people, Nero laid blame for the fire on the Christians. The emperor ordered the arrest of a few members of the sect who, under torture, accused others until the entire Christian populace was implicated and became fair game for retribution. As many of the religious sect that could be found were rounded up and put to death in the most horrific manner for the amusement of the citizens of Rome. The ghastly way in which the victims were put to death aroused sympathy among many Romans, although most felt their execution justified.
Beginnings of Christian Martyrdom
The following account was written by the Roman historian Tacitus in his book Annals published a few years after the event. Tacitus was a young boy living in Rome during the time of the persecutions.
“Therefore, to stop the rumor that he had set Rome on fire, he Emperor Nero falsely charged with guilt, and punished with the most fearful tortures, the persons commonly called Christians, who were generally hated for their enormities. Christus, the founder of that name, was put to death as a criminal by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea, in the reign of Tiberius, but the pernicious superstition – repressed for a time, broke out yet again, not only through Judea, – where the mischief originated, but through the city of Rome also, whither all things horrible and disgraceful flow from all quarters, as to a common receptacle, and where they are encouraged. Accordingly first those were arrested who confessed they were Christians; next on their information, a vast multitude were convicted, not so much on the charge of burning the city, as of “hating the human race.”
In their very deaths they were made the subjects of sport: for they were covered with the hides of wild beasts, and worried to death by dogs, or nailed to crosses, or set fire to, and when the day waned, burned to serve for the evening lights. Nero offered his own garden players for the spectacle, and exhibited a Circensian game, indiscriminately mingling with the common people in the dress of a charioteer, or else standing in his chariot. For this cause a feeling of compassion arose towards the sufferers, though guilty and deserving of exemplary capital punishment, because they seemed not to be cut off for the public good, but were victims of the ferocity of one man.”
I believe in Ephesians 7 Paul was not talking to Christians about wicked spirits corrupting Christian minds, in Ephesians 6 he was talking about the so believed divine Nero, Apollo incarnate, or any future emperor or king who also believed himself to be divine and was filled with spiritual wickedness. Nero and others after him persecuted Christians as they put on their armor of God, staying true to their faith of their coming king and his eternal kingdom.
Hi Jodi
YOU:
“Trying something as this still wont post, so I am breaking it in half,
Good Morning Berean,
We are told directly by Paul that celestial messengers have BODIES thus they are not spirit entities.
Hebrews 1 is not talking about celestial messengers but human messengers the SAINTS,”
ME
YOU ARE WRONG JODI
Hebrews 1 has nothing to do
with the saints but with the ANGELS.
IT’S SIMPLY THE TEXT THAT SAYS IT.
VERSE 13[13] But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
VERSE 14 CONTINUES
[14] Are they not all (THE ANGEL) ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
ON THE OTHER HAND THE SAINTS WHO ARE HUMANS ARE PART OF THOSE WHO WILL INHERIT GOD’S SALVATION. AND THEY ALSO NEED THE MINISTRY OF ANGELS TO ASSIST THEM IN MANY WAYS.
AS FOR THE PROPHET DANIEL FOR EXAMPLE, ON SEVERAL TIMES THE ANGEL GABRIEL COMES TO THE HELP OF DANIEL TO TEACH IT BETWEEN OTHER ON THINGS OF EXTREME IMPORTANCE.ON THE OTHER HAND CHAPTER ONE OF HEBREWS TALKS TO SEVERAL REPEATS OF THE ANGELS AND OF THE SUPERIORITY OF THE SON OF GOD IN RELATION TO THE ANGELS
1: 4 become all the more superior to the angels that he inherited a name more excellent than theirs.
1: 5 For to which of the angels did God ever say: You are my Son, I have begotten you today? And again: I will be a father to him, and he will be a son to me?
….And when he brings the firstborn back into the world, he says: May all the angels of God worship him!
1: 7 Moreover he said of the angels, He who makes his angels of the winds, And of his servants a flame of fire.
“The writer of Hebrews draws out a contrast between the angels who are God’s servants and the Son who created them. The angels are “messengers” of God sent out from Him to do His work. “Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?” (Hebrews 1:14).
Peter was in prison sleeping between two soldiers, bound with two chains, and there were guards in front of the door watching over the prison in Acts 12:6. He was there because he would not shut up about the resurrection of Jesus. “And behold, an angel of the Lord suddenly appeared and a light shone in the cell; and he struck Peter’s side and woke him up, saying, ‘Get up quickly.’ And his chains fell off his hands” (Acts 12:7). The angel led Peter out of prison to freedom. Later, an angel struck Herod “because he did not give God the glory, and he was eaten by worms and died” (Acts 12:23). An angel gave Paul encouragement in a fierce storm. Paul told the men on board the ship, “For this very night an angel of the God to whom I belong and whom I serve stood before me, saying, ‘Do not be afraid, Paul; you must stand before Caesar, and behold, God has granted you all those who are sailing with you. Therefore, keep up your courage, men, for I believe God, that it will turn out exactly as I have been told” (Acts 27:23-25).”
Hope this help …
Hi Berean,
The Hebrew word Mal’ak means messenger. This very word is used to speak of humans in the OT.
The Greek word anggelos means messenger. This very word also is used for a human in the NT.
Young Literals translation renders the word every time both in the NT and OT as messenger, whereas other translators render it angel at times when they believed it was speaking of an angel or angels. I look at the CONTEXT of the passage to decide, I do not just rely on what the translators believed, but compare scripture with scripture.
This same issue lies with a number of other words!
I believe I gave you several direct scriptures that show Paul was speaking in Hebrews 1 of human messengers.
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
When the apostles ministered to their brethren to preach God’s word thus being a messenger of God, they did so through their spirits that were being led by God’s Spirit. When Christ returns with his saints to rule the earth and bring forth righteous judgement, it is the Spirit that bears witness with their spirit that they are children of God, for those that are led by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God. At Christ’s return there will be many ministering spirits performing the will of God, whether they be human messengers or celestial messengers.
Berean you have direct scripture speaking of saints, “A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth:”…and ” Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.” These saints are messengers of God delivering His will, spirits being led by God’s Spirit.
When you read the word spirit Berean do you only think it represents some entity that doesn’t have a body?.. because if you do that would be false according to scripture.
Hebrews 1:4 having BECOME so much better than the messengers, as he did inherit a more excellent name than they…9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Where some of Jesus’s brethren MESSENGERS/Anggelos?
YES!
Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, as it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger AGGELOS before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
the name of John -“Jehovah is a gracious giver”
the name of Jesus – “Jehovah is salvation”
This forum has become rather frustrating. You go to edit a post as it didn’t give the highlights of bold or red that originally showed upon when clicking submit, so then when you edit it and re-submit, it just deletes your post all together.
Now that posted, however just now when I paste what I saved and try to submit it, it won’t.
Hi Berean,
The Hebrew word Mal’ak means messenger. This very word is used to speak of humans in the OT.
The Greek word anggelos means messenger. This very word also is used for a human in the NT.
Young Literals translation renders the word every time both in the NT and OT as messenger, whereas other translators render it angel at times when they believed it was speaking of an angel or angels. I look at the CONTEXT of the passage to decide, I do not just rely on what the translators believed, but compare scripture with scripture.
This same issue lies with a number of other words!
I believe I gave you several direct scriptures that show Paul was speaking in Hebrews 1 of human messengers.
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
When the apostles ministered to their brethren to preach God’s word thus being a messenger of God, they did so through their spirits that were being led by God’s Spirit. When Christ returns with his saints to rule the earth and bring forth righteous judgement, it is the Spirit that bears witness with their spirit that they are children of God, for those that are led by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God. At Christ’s return there will be many ministering spirits performing the will of God, whether they be human messengers or celestial messengers.
Berean you have direct scripture speaking of saints, “A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth:”…and ” Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.” These saints are messengers of God delivering His will, spirits being led by God’s Spirit.
When you read the word spirit Berean do you only think it represents some entity that doesn’t have a body?.. because if you do that would be false according to scripture.
Hebrews 1:4 having BECOME so much better than the messengers, as he did inherit a more excellent name than they…9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Where some of Jesus’s brethren MESSENGERS/Anggelos?
YES!
Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, as it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger AGGELOS before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
the name of John -“Jehovah is a gracious giver”
the name of Jesus – “Jehovah is salvation”
well, I went to edit my last post and it allowed me to paste my saved post. Weird, as I attempted to just post it separately after and it wouldn’t work.
Hi, Jodi
YOU: We are told directly by Paul that celestial messengers have BODIES
thus they are not spirit entities.
Jodi WHAT DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU SAY
SPIRIT ENTITIES?
WHAT ARE SPIRITS?
1Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body: it shall rise a spiritual body. If there be a natural body,
there is also a spiritual body, …..
What is a spiritual body for you Jodi!
Do you accept the fact that
IT IS ALSO FLESH?
A SPIRITUAL/FLESH BODY!
Genesis 18:AND THE LORD APPEARED
to him in the vale of Mambre as he was sitting at the door of his tent, in the very heat of the day. 2And when he had lifted up his eyes, there
APPEARED
to him standing THREE MEN near to him: and as soon as he saw them, he ran to meet them from the door of his tent, and ADORED down to the ground.
3 And he said:
LORD, if I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away from thy servant. 4But I will fetch a little water, and
WASH YE FEET UNDER THE TREE.
5 AND I WILL SET A MORSEL OF BREAD, AND STRENGTHEN YE YOUR HEART,
afterward, you shall pass on: for therefore are you come aside to your servant. And
THEY SAID:
DO AS THOU HAST SPOKEN.
In the above
THE LORD IN THE THREE PERSONS THOUGH CELESTIAL/SPIRITS,
APPEARED
EMBODIED IN A NORMAL TERRESTRIAL/FLESH BODY,
BUT THAT DOESN’T MEAN THAT THE LORD LOST THE SPIRITUAL STATE.
THE LORD/CELESTIAL SPIRITUAL BEINGS CAN OPT TO BE IN A CELESTIAL/SPIRIT BODY IN THE SPIRITUAL REALM, AND TERRESTRIAL/FLESH BODY ON EARTH AS THE CASE MAY BE.
CELESTIAL/SPIRIT BODIES CAN DISSOLVE TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY CANNOT BE SEEN IN THIS WORLD WHILE REMAIN IN THIS WORLD.
AS THEY ARE!
THUS THEIR BODIES ARE NOT COMPRESSED SPIRITS AND HARD LIKE TERRESTRIAL BODIES THROUGH SIN FROM ADAM.
THE LORD COULD HAVE PASSED THROUGH ANYTHING TERRESTRIAL AS HARD AS A ROCK, SIMPLY BECAUSE HIS CELESTIAL/SPIRIT BODY IS SOFT AND LOOSE LIKE IT IS MADE OF SMOKE, NOT LIKE OURS.
COMPRESSED HARD CORRUPTED SPIRITS THROUGH SIN GIVEN BY GOD AFTER ADAM AND EVE SINNED.
Genesis 3:21 And the Lord God made for Adam and his wife
garments of skins, and clothed them.
GARMENT OF SKINS IS A REFERENCE TO
THE ACTUAL SKINS WE HAVE, PLUS OBVIOUS THAT THEY BECAME
HARD AND MORTAL SIMPLY FOR THE SOUL TO BE ABLE TO REJECT AND LEAVE THE DEAD BODY.
AND THANKS TO REDEMPTION, THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN JESUS POSSESS A SPIRITUAL BODY IN RELATION TO THE KIND OF SPIRITUAL LIFE IN CHRIST THEY LIVED ON EARTH. Well specifically mentioned by Jesus in
Luke 6:38 Give and it shall be given to you: good measure and pressed down and shaken together and running over shall they give into your bosom. For with the same measure that you shall mete withal, it shall be measured to you again.
Now read
Luke 4:And all they in the synagogue, (HOW MANY WERE THEY?)
hearing these things were filled with anger.
29And they rose up and
thrust him out of the city:(THEY REALLY HELD JESUS QUITE WELL, AND HE ALLOWED THEM TO DO SO)
and they brought him to the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
30But he passing through the midst of them, went his way.
AS YOU CAN READ Jodi, Jesus despite the fact that they were MANY, and held him quite well
NEVERTHELESS, in the precise moment in time, they were about to cast him down headlong,
HE SIMPLY WALKED THROUGH THE MIDST OF THEM!
THIS IS PINPOINTED OUT BY JESUS REGARDING HIS LIFE IN
John 10:18 No man taketh it away from me: but I lay it down of myself. And I have power to lay it down: and I have power to take it up again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
They were not in the position to hold Jesus any longer simply as Jesus’body DESPITE HE WAS VISIBLE
At that moment in time, HE POSSESSED A KIND OF BODY WHICH COULD NOT BE IN ANY WAY HELD, AND EVEN IN THE POSITION TO PASS THROUGH THEM.
A SOFT SPIRITUAL/PHYSICAL BODY.
Matthew 17:2 And he was transfigured before them.
And his face did shine as the sun:
and his garments became white as snow.
Jodi, WHAT KIND OF BODY JESUS POSSESSED IN THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT IN TIME?
OR WHAT WOULD YOU CONSIDER JESUS’ BODY WAS?
DEFINITELY NOT A HUMAN FLESH BODY!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
😳 denying the power of spirit
isn’t that like the greatest sin of all.
still running around with that two headed god or is it three now 🤣
Hi
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
[8] And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. (Revelation 12:7)The war between Christ and Satan began in heaven itself following the revolt of the latter who brought with him a third of the angels (Rev.12:4).
What sadness!
And this revolt against God spread on earth.
Jodi, the latest post link in the sidebar pointing to this topic was broken.
Upon investigation, I can see what happened.
Many of your posts were considered spam by the system and had they not been spammed the topic would have spanned 3 pages. So the link was going to page 3, but there were only enough posts published to fit on 2 pages. Had I unspammed all your posts and that problem would have gone away.
So what is causing your posts to be spammed regularly. Perhaps you are copying and pasting the same content in your posts throughout this forum? It would make sense considering your posts are very long, but I don’t read your posts mostly so cannot confirm this.
If this is the case, can I suggest you converse rather than paste in the same stuff with slight variations.
If this is not the case, then why does this happen to you but not other members. Although I see that Ed J sometimes has these issues as well.
What do you guys have in common? Long posts that are edited multiple times? If so, I will try and fix that.
Copying and pasting the same content over and over? Well I can’t fix that because that is spam. You just need to be more original.
Hi t8,
Thanks for trying to figure out the root of the problem.
If what you say were the problem, then wouldn’t anyone posting the same scripture or passage twice have their post be susceptible as coming through as spam?
If I were to give a post with only scripture let’s say Isaiah 11, 42, and 61, and then give another post with only scripture of Isaiah 11, 42, and 53, you are telling me it could be spammed?
I think part or maybe a huge part of the problem may come from me and my computer.
First let me say again, I have never used going back to make an edit, I have always used the edit option.
I have however used going back though in another circumstance,
In the morning when I open up my laptop it will show that I am logged in and I will go to submit a post to find out I actually was not. There are times when I will go back and cut what I wrote. Then I will log in and then paste and submit it, and it will not submit.
I am trying to make sure I am logged in for sure now.
Sometimes instead of the back button I might go straight into logging in, and I will actually still have what I wrote come up in the text box, but sometimes it doesn’t so I will hit the back button, and then submit from there and then sometimes it won’t submit.
Before I hit submit now I always copy my post, so that if it doesn’t show up I still have it, and won’t need to go back to retrieve it, as you said going back can cause problems.
I’ll be curious to see how things play out if I keep these rules for myself!
Thanks again t8.
The so-called extraterrestrials are actually “demons” suggesting that they can to solve the problems of mankind…they are more and more in touch with those who venture off the paths protected by God.
We haven’t finished seeing strange, sensational manifestations in some churches, and elsewhere, even in heaven…
Revelation 13:13 she worked great wonders, even to the point of bringing down fire from heaven to the earth in the sight of men.
13:14 And he deceived them that dwelt on the earth by the wonders which it was given him to do in the presence of the beast, saying unto them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast that had the wound of the sword, and lived.
2Thess.2:9-13
The appearance of this ungodly man will take place, by the power of Satan, with all kinds of miracles, signs and lying wonders,
2:10 And with all the deceitfulness of iniquity to them that perish, because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2:11 Wherefore God sendeth them a power of error, that they should believe a lie,
2:12 That as many as believed not the truth, but took pleasure in unrighteousness, should be condemned.
The world, the churches, will be more and more bluffed by demons and their “mediums” of all kinds and unless they turn to the Lord God for the deception of the “spirits” and probe them they will fall into temptation and receive the “mark of the beast”.
Because thou hast kept the word of patience in me, I will keep thee also in the hour of temptation, which shall come upon the whole world, to try them that dwell on the earth (Revelation 3:10).
And she caused all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,
13:17 And let no man buy or sell, except he have the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Revelation 14
And a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
14:10 And he also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured without mixture into the cup of his indignation: and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone before the holy angels, and before the Lamb.
14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they that worship the beast and his image, and every one that receiveth the mark of his name, have no rest day nor night.
14:12 This is the patience of the saints, that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
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