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To all……..A word is simply “INTELLIGENT UTTERANCE” , and comes from spirits, The LORD our GOD used His SPIRIT INTELLECTS and POWER, to created all things that exist, and he said , he did it alone. He clearly said to the nation of ISRAEL this.
Isa44:24…..> <b>Thus says THE LORD your redeemer and he that FORMED YOU FROM THE WOMB, I am the LORD that makes “ALL” things, that stretches forth the heavens “ALONE” , that spreads abroad the earth “BY MYSELF”.</b>
The LORD (Adonai) is the “ONLY” TRUE GOD buy his OWN WORDS and POWER, ALL things exist, rather in heaven or earth. Nothing exists without him and that includes the MAN JESUS.
Jesus is and was a 100% human being always was and always will be, he is the first human being to attain to what God the Father has in mind for us all.
Satan and his servants have cleverly destroyed the truth about, the MAN JESUS, Making him into a GOD to SEPARATE HIM FROM OUR LIKENESS IN ORDER TO CAUSE PEOPLE TO NOT TRULY SEE THEIR OWN POTENTIAL .
peace and and love to you all………………………Gene
Mike,
I corrected this post but I am unsure if you saw the corrected and more easily understood version.
T8…….John 1:4…… In him was LIFE, and “THAT LIFE” was the “LIGHT of “ALL” Mankind.
God himself is The LIGHT of ALL MANKIND, he HIMSELF is the LIFE that is ENLIGHTENING ( gives cognate awareness to us all) . Not Jesus but God the Father Himself is what LIFE “IS” He is our VERY LIFE ITSELF. Without GOD presence in us we would have NO LIFE AT ALL.
If we understand John 1:4 it tells us, who verse one is speaking Of. Jesus plainly said the words he was telling us were NOT HIS WORDS, he said those words were SPIRIT and LIFE , he understood that the Father was the LIFE And THE SPIRIT. He also understood the Father can and does indwell us giving us our LIGHT or UNDERSTANDING , remember what he told PETER about how he understood who Jesus was.
Peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
Okay terraricca, if we accept that the Word is created, then these two scriptures have to be wrong.
John 1:1-3
<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. </span>
<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>2 He was with God in the beginning. </span>
<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. </span>
<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.</span>Colossians 1:16
<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities– all things have been created through Him and for Him.
17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.…</span>Through the Word all was made and nothing that is made came any other way but through the Word. These two scriptures do not allow for the Word and/or Yeshua to be made.
T8
1) It should be “and the Word was a god” for the scriptures is talking about one being, being with another ,this is clear ;and we know its talks about the beginning of creation ;and so what it says is that IN THE BEGINNING WAS “THE WORD” THIS TELLS us that he already was there and so created , before any other creation took place ,
Col;1;16
verse 15 says it , the FIRST BORN ” FIRST OF CREATION NOT THE SECOND ,HE WAS made from God not through any other but directly from God being ;this is what makes him the true “IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD ” AND AS HE HIS THE FIRST BORN (CREATED /BRING FORTH) HE HIS THE ONE THAT INHERIT ALL THINGS FROM THE FATHER ,this is not hard to understand ,
verse 17,also confirm this ,
knowing the rules in heaven LOVE ,Mt 20:27 and whoever wants to be first must be your slave—
Mt 20:28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”and yes Jesus the son of God is the first beside his father ,
to me those scriptures seem to tell the truth
T,
I find if I copy and paste to a text editor and then copy from there to paste here that it removes all that internet code for me.
HI k
T,
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t8, did the Word come into existence when he was begotten by God?
It matters not regarding the two scriptures I give you. I believe he came into existence by God, but I am asking you for an explanation as to how you can keep these two scripture from contradicting your view that is all. I have already explained my view to you. That to be created is to be begotten not directly of God, but via/by his Word, parents, and other channels. And to be begotten of God is exactly that, being born directly from him. Yes both give existence in my view.
How does your view of a created Jesus fit with these verses exactly? Obviously he is not included in this list, but yet it says “all things, thrones, rulers, etc”. This verse works for me because I believe he was not created, but was begotten. I can’t see how it works for you though.
For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities– all things have been created through Him and for Him.
And:
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
You say he is made, so that means that he was made through himself.
I am seeking to understand your view here in case you are right. But so far I am not getting a coherent answer. For now, to accept your view, I have to cut these two verses out of my Bible.
<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. </span>
<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>2 He was with God in the beginning. </span>
<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. </span>
<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.</span>Hi terraricca. Just pointing out why your quote is like this.
You need to paste code in Text Mode. And the quotation marks in the code have turned into curly quotations probably because you put this into MS Word. I am going to take that same code, straighten out the curly quotes, and paste it in code mode below:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.t8
God;(as no beginning)so what beginning do the scriptures talk about ? ABOUT “THE WORD” “1 In the beginning was the Word”John here only establish a fact ,that THE WORD” is there in the beginning of creation before all others (Paul says in Col;that he is the first of creation meaning he is the only direct creation of God )then it says “and the Word was with God”
it is obvious that when he is created “the word “was WITH GOD” with God as another being ;;;this is where the translator goofed ;and the Word was God. “this does not make sense for the “one that is ;is one and the one he is with is another ;SO IT AS TO BE ;and the Word was (A) God.; NOW THE FOLLOWING WORDS ARE TRUE ;2 He was with God in the beginning. ” two beings are there in the beginning ,before all or any others creation take place ,
FROM THIS POINT ON THOSE SCRIPTURES ARE all TRUE ;
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.NOW ALL WHAT JOHN SAID AND PAUL ARE ALL TRUE
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
16 For THROUGH Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities– all things have been created through Him and for Him.
17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.…DID I ANSWER YOU QUESTION ?
Mike b.
Before God started creating: who was there? Answer God alone.
Did God have His word; could He speak? Answer, yes He could,and did at the beginning of creation..
Is God ‘s Word living? Answer, yes He is living,and has power.
Is God’s spirit which is the Holy spirit also living? Answer, yes and He has power.
Does God need to create a creature to carry His Word? Answer, no He can just give His living Word a form.
But why so? Answer, because no other creature/s should be worshipped but God alone.
Did God just create a creature, and use him for a sacrifice..and then create some more, if He wanted to? Answer, no he has to be God’s only begotten.
Can God give His Word a form of atree? Answer, yes and He did.
Can God give His Word the form of a Rock? Answer, yes and He did.
Can God Give His Word the form of a man;without being born? Answer, yes ,and He did.
Can God give His H spirit the form of a dove? Answer,yes and He did.
Can God give His Word the form of a Human by being born as a human? Answer,yes He can,and did.
Can God make the stones to glorify Him? Answer, yes He can.
Does Gos always speaks through His living Word? answer, yes and still does.
He speaks to us and teaches us through His Word called The living bible,and the HS will intervene.
Can anyone come to know God without seeking the H Bible? Answer,no.
No man can come to the father but by Me.
What if I just pray? Answer,no first, we must know the true God to pray to,or some other will come in.
Or pray while seeking.
But where is He to be found? No one can see Him? Answer,seek and you shall find and see him with spiritual eyes.
Seek what , How? Answer,seek the scriptures and you will find God.
wakeup.
t8 wrote:I believe he came into existence by God, but I am asking you for an explanation as to how you can keep these two scriptures from contradicting your view……
John 1:3 NRSV ©
All things came into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being.The Greek text says all things “came into existence” through him, and apart from him “nothing came into existence”.
Yet you say the Word DID, at one time, “come into existence”, right?
So now what’s the solution? How can John 1:3 say that NOTHING “came into existence” apart from the Word, when the Word himself “came into existence by God” at one point? Are my previous posts seeming a little more “coherent” now? Because I explained the solution to you, using actual scriptures as my support. Would you like me to go through it again for you?
kerwin wrote:Mike,
I corrected this post but I am unsure if you saw the corrected and more easily understood version.
Yeah, I saw the corrected version, but am still not interested in discussing any “preexistent Law of God”. I believe it to be just another “side show” of yours, because you won’t accept the obvious fact that Jesus is the Word in John 1. I really don’t care anymore, Kerwin. I have spent hours upon hours, taking each line of John 1 apart for you, showing you that John could be talking about no one else but Jesus. I have spent many more hours explaining other scriptures like Phil 2, John 6, Hebrews 1, and Micah 5, etc. I believe you are set in your ways. I believe that you will ALWAYS have some lame-brained alternative like a “preexistent Law of God” to tout. And I believe that no amount of talking is ever going to make you see the truth of the scriptures, since the “truth of Kerwin” is already set in stone in your brain. So why should I even bother?
As for quoting other people’s posts, I’ll let you know how I do it. First, I copy the words from their original post that I would like to respond to. Then I hit “Reply” at the top of their post. Then I manually type: (quote=Kerwin)PASTE THEIR WORDS HERE(/quote)
Note that all four of the parenthesis I used in that example above are really supposed to be brackets, and not parenthesis. If I had used brackets for the example, the words “PASTE THEIR WORDS HERE” would have ended up in a quote box, and you wouldn’t have been able to see how I did it.
You guys can do the same thing with the b-quote button at the top of your response. Hit the b-quote, paste their words, hit the b-quote a second time.
w
{Did God have His word; could He speak? Answer, yes He could,and did at the beginning of creation..}
why would God talk if their is no one ? you explanation does not fit even Clo;1;15-21 not does it John1 ;1-14
Without HIM was *not anything* made that was made.
God’s own Word is HIM. HE was not made.
God’s breath was not made. God was not made.
God’s creating breath has life in himself.
He came from within God,and sat next to God.
By the WILL of God.
God spoke through HIM. He was not given a name,but called The Word of God.
This can not be to you; and is nonsense.
The arch angel Micha’el was created by God’s breath.
All things were not created for Micha’el.
But for God’s own pleasure.
wakeup.
HERE IT IS ;
Col 1:15 He(jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation(Jesus).
Col 1:16 For through him (Jesus) all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created through him(Jesus) and for him. (JESUS)
Col 1:17 He (JESUS) is before all things, and in him(JESUS) all things hold together.
Col 1:18 And he(JESUS) is the head of the body, the church; he (JESUS)is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he (JESUS) might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,(JESUS)
Col 1:20 and through him(JESUS) to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his(JESUS) blood, shed on the cross.
Col 1:21 Once you(DISCIPLES) were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds(YOUR BELIEVES) because of your evil behavior.
Col 1:22 But now he(GOD) has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you(DISCIPLES) holy in his (GOD)sight, without blemish and free from accusation—
Col 1:23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.this is what the scriptures actually says ,right ?
t8
Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a God.
Jn 1:2 He was with God in the beginning.
Jn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. {this scriptures is said after it as establish the first ;that is “the word” was in the beginning he was with God ,so it moves on by saying “<span style=”font-weight: normal;”> Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made” so this verse is true and completed Paul letter to Col;1;15-21</span>in the same way that when it says that “all things are put under his feet ” it is obvious that God is not included ;in the same way in verse 3 ;THE WORD “is not longer included
Jn 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
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