What does it mean that Jesus came in the flesh?

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Quote (kerwin @ June 01 2014,19:46)

Mike,

Ok, but it still sounds like you are agreeing with Gene.

I agree with Gene that the word “spirit” is SOMETIMES used in scripture to refer to a thing that can be inside of someone, guiding them.

I don't agree that is the ONLY meaning of “spirit” in the scripture.

Does that help?

June 2, 2014 at 1:54 am#386194

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Quote (kerwin @ June 01 2014,19:48)

Mike,

There is nothing in Scripture that states the new earth will be composed of spirit.

Nor did I say it would be, Kerwin.

June 2, 2014 at 1:55 am#386197

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Hi MB,
Was Jesus Christ LED BY THE SPIRIT into the desert to be tempted?
Lk4.1

June 2, 2014 at 1:58 am#386199

kerwin

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Mike,

I misunderstood your words then.

June 2, 2014 at 1:58 am#386201

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 01 2014,19:46)

Hi MB,
Was it the abilities of Peter that let him walk on water and raise the dead?
Did the prophets speak their own words or those given by the Spirit of prophecy?
Was it the abilities of Jesus that allowed him to do all these things and speak for God?

If you go before the judge will The Father speak through you??

Do you have no concept of the Spirit??

Nick,

Are there any of those questions that weren't already answered by my previous post?

Can a spirit MANIPULATE flesh and other non-sentient things? YES

But……….. is a man's FLESH BODY what can be led by the Holy Spirit in a path righteous to God? NO. The MAN can be led, but not his body.

For example, the Holy Spirit does not physically MANIPULATE flesh bodies to church on Sunday. It does not MANIPULATE a flesh body to bow in prayer to God.

It can lead the INNER MAN who dwells inside of that earthly tent to do these things. But it is then the INNER MAN who is led by the Spirit – not his flesh BODY.

Your questions are going off the topic I was discussing with Kerwin.

June 2, 2014 at 2:00 am#386205

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 01 2014,19:55)

Hi MB,
Was Jesus Christ LED BY THE SPIRIT into the desert to be tempted?
Lk4.1

Yes Nick,

JESUS was led. Do you suppose that means the Spirit PHYSICALLY MANIPULATED his body to walk in the direction of the wilderness – like he was a puppet being controlled by someone else?

If not, shhhhh……………..

June 2, 2014 at 2:02 am#386208

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Hi MB,
You rate God's abilities as too weak.
As usual you elevate the flesh

The flesh contributes nothing

June 2, 2014 at 2:03 am#386211

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Your ability to post intelligent and helpful things is too weak.

June 2, 2014 at 2:05 am#386212

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Hi MB,
God's power shows up best in weak people.

But you do not seem to think it shows up at all.

June 2, 2014 at 2:27 am#386226

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Well then, we know that those who make it to the “heaven where God is” will have to have a different kind of body, right?

Which heaven is Jesus in right now?

June 2, 2014 at 2:44 am#386239

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Hi,
Give up everyone
MB says

“Agreeing with me on anything scriptural means you're agreeing with what the scriptures ACTUALLY teach.”

June 2, 2014 at 3:11 am#386271

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2014,08:44)

Hi,
Give up everyone
MB says

“Agreeing with me on anything scriptural means you're agreeing with what the scriptures ACTUALLY teach.”

Nick

I hope you can sleep tonight

June 2, 2014 at 7:13 pm#386386

kerwin

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2014,08:27)

Well then, we know that those who make it to the “heaven where God is” will have to have a different kind of body, right?

Which heaven is Jesus in right now?

Mike,

Then you believe Jesus ascended to the highest heaven and once there was given a body of the same type Enoch was given.

June 2, 2014 at 7:42 pm#386392

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2014,08:27)

Well then, we know that those who make it to the “heaven where God is” will have to have a different kind of body, right?

Which heaven is Jesus in right now?

Mike,

Then you believe Jesus ascended to the highest heaven and once there was given a body of the same type Enoch was given.

the son of God it says that he went to his father and God ,and that he sits on his throne beside his father on his right hand ,

kerwin ;where is this you think to me it cannot be any other place than WHERE GOD THE FATHER IS ;

WHAT EVER YOU NUMBER THE HEAVENS IT IS AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL RIGHT

CHRIST RECEIVED THE BODY (WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO JOINT HIS FATHER )

AS HE LEFT UP ON HIGH AND BECAME INVISIBLE TO MEN LOOKING AT HIM AND THE ANGEL TALKING TO THEM .

AS FAR THAT IT TALKS ABOUT ENOCH HE AS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING ;THERE WERE MANY CALLED ENOCH BUT SCRIPTURES ARE TALKING ABOUT THE “7TH FROM ADAM

JUDE 1:14 It was also about these men that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, “ Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones,

Ge 5:20 Altogether, Jared lived 962 years, and then he died.
Ge 5:21 When Enoch had lived 65 years, he became the father of Methuselah.
Ge 5:22 And after he became the father of Methuselah, Enoch walked with God 300 years and had other sons and daughters.
Ge 5:23 Altogether, Enoch lived 365 years.
Ge 5:24 Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.

THEIR ARE MANY ENOCH DESCENDANTS OF CAIN AND HIS BROTHER SETH BUT IT IS THE ONE THAT WAS COMING FROM SETH THAT SCRIPTURES TALKING ABOUT ,

June 3, 2014 at 1:02 am#386525

kerwin

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We are conversing about the heavens of 2 Enoch. God's throne is in the highest.

June 3, 2014 at 1:11 am#386528

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Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2014,07:02)

We are conversing about the heavens of 2 Enoch. God's throne is in the highest.

my point is what is the Enoch you are talking about

June 3, 2014 at 1:35 am#386530

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Well then, we know that those who make it to the “heaven where God is” will have to have a different kind of body, right?

Which heaven is Jesus in right now?

Mike,

Then you believe Jesus ascended to the highest heaven and once there was given a body of the same type Enoch was given.

Did Enoch arrive there first, and THEN was given the body of the “glorious ones”? Or did he have to be given that body BEFORE he stepped foot in the “10th heaven”?

I assume it is the latter, which is exactly what I believe about Jesus…….. as I've told you 100 times.

I believe he was raised from the dead in the body in which he died. (He still had 40 days of work to do on earth, and it required him to remain in that flesh body.)

Then, at some point during his ascension to “the 10th heaven” (or whatever), his body was transformed into the glorious new body he now has. (He has received a body like the “glorious ones” from Enoch's story.)

June 3, 2014 at 1:36 am#386533

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We are conversing about the heavens of 2 Enoch. God's throne is in the highest.

my point is what is the Enoch you are talking about

Pierre,

Kerwin is quoting some things from Enoch Book 2.

Kerwin, could you give a link? I only have Book 1.

June 3, 2014 at 1:46 am#386542

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Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2014,07:02)

We are conversing about the heavens of 2 Enoch. God's throne is in the highest.

my point is what is the Enoch you are talking about

Pierre,

Kerwin is quoting some things from Enoch Book 2.

Kerwin, could you give a link? I only have Book 1.

Mike

i am aware of the books but do not believe in them ,

that is why I posted my question

June 3, 2014 at 2:02 am#386550