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Mike,
2 Enoch
Quote Chapter 8, VIII 1 And those men took me thence, and led me up on to the third heaven, and placed me there; and I looked downwards, and saw the produce of these places, such as has never been known for goodness.
2 And I saw all the sweet-flowering trees and beheld their fruits, which were sweet-smelling, and all the foods borne (by them) bubbling with fragrant exhalation.
3 And in the midst of the trees that of life, in that place whereon the Lord rests, when he goes up into paradise; and this tree is of ineffable goodness and fragrance, and adorned more than every existing thing; and on all sides (it is) in form gold-looking and vermilion and fire-like and covers all, and it has produce from all fruits.
4 Its root is in the garden at the earth’s end.
5 And paradise is between corruptibility and incorruptibility.
6 And two springs come out which send forth honey and milk, and their springs send forth oil and wine, and they separate into four parts, and go round with quiet course, and go down into the PARADISE OF EDEN, between corruptibility and incorruptibility.
7 And thence they go forth along the earth, and have a revolution to their circle even as other elements.
8 And here there is no unfruitful tree, and every place is blessed.
9 And (there are) three hundred angels very bright, who keep the garden, and with incessant sweet singing and never-silent voices serve the Lord throughout all days and hours.
10 And I said: How very sweet is this place, and those men said to me:
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 28 2014,03:32) Hi KW,
Yes it speaks of his soul.
The same as his ascension but now covered in a heavenly body en route as happens with us.
Nickwait until God elevates you then you will be sure ,self instituted jobs does not work with God or Christ
Quote (kerwin @ May 28 2014,23:24) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 28 2014,03:32) Hi KW,
Yes it speaks of his soul.
The same as his ascension but now covered in a heavenly body en route as happens with us.
Nick,That sounds reasonable.
Khow is that reasonable in scriptures
Kerwin…….. Don't get caught into all into all those false teachings, Spirit are not now or ever was a body of any kind, they are what is “in” bodies. A soul is simply a BODY WITH SPIRIT. “IN'” it. Nothing more and nothing less.
Kerwin……… All who want you to believe that a human being is a body plus a spirit plus a soul are teaching falsely, no scripture say, we are a body, plus a spirit, plus a soul, what Scripture say is we are simply a body plus spirit, and that is what equaled a “LIVING SOUL”. Had Jesus' body not been resurrected he still would be a dead man to this very day, he could not have been risen back to life again without his BODY. He was not then or now a Spirit, he has a Spirit in his now body and is therefore “NOW” a “LIVING soul”, again just as he said he is.
Be careful Kerwin lest they suck you in to there false teaching which are simply carryovers from their past, trinitarian and preexistent learnings, they learned a long time ago. You study scripture which is good, so Continue to let the Spirit of Truth guide you brother, and you will easily see through their snares .
Peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
Mike…….Yes they were able to enter the kingdom of God while still in the flesh. You simply do not believe what Jesus said, THE KINGDOM of GOD , comes “NOT with “OBSERVATION” It is “WITHIN YOU”, . Why would Jesus even say that if it weren't true ?
Peace and love ………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 29 2014,00:10) Mike…….Yes they were able to enter the kingdom of God while still in the flesh. You simply do not believe what Jesus said, THE KINGDOM of GOD , comes “NOT with “OBSERVATION” It is “WITHIN YOU”, . Why would Jesus even say that if it weren't true ? Peace and love ………….gene
geneyou make a wrong turn somewhere ,that comment as nothing to do with Mike is talking about
Quote (terraricca @ May 28 2014,23:37) Quote (kerwin @ May 28 2014,23:24) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 28 2014,03:32) Hi KW,
Yes it speaks of his soul.
The same as his ascension but now covered in a heavenly body en route as happens with us.
Nick,That sounds reasonable.
Khow is that reasonable in scriptures
T,Jesus' soul descended to Sheol and when he was resurrected in his immortal body his soul returned. His immortal body is also a heavenly body. Nick chose to use an adjective that did not tell us what the heavenly composed and so I can agree with his statement.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 29 2014,04:55) Kerwin…….. Don't get caught into all into all those false teachings, Spirit are not now or ever was a body of any kind, they are what is “in” bodies. A soul is simply a BODY WITH SPIRIT. “IN'” it. Nothing more and nothing less. Kerwin……… All who want you to believe that a human being is a body plus a spirit plus a soul are teaching falsely, no scripture say, we are a body, plus a spirit, plus a soul, what Scripture say is we are simply a body plus spirit, and that is what equaled a “LIVING SOUL”. Had Jesus' body not been resurrected he still would be a dead man to this very day, he could not have been risen back to life again without his BODY. He was not then or now a Spirit, he has a Spirit in his now body and is therefore “NOW” a “LIVING soul”, again just as he said he is.
Be careful Kerwin lest they suck you in to there false teaching which are simply carryovers from their past, trinitarian and preexistent learnings, they learned a long time ago. You study scripture which is good, so Continue to let the Spirit of Truth guide you brother, and you will easily see through their snares .
Peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
Hi GB,
James 1:21
Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.The spirit returns to God
The body perishes.You cannot be saved??
Hi GB,
Mat10
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.Gene,
I disagree with your understanding of Genesis 2:7. I believe that when God breath into Adam he first became a living soul. I believe the soul does not perish with the death of the body but instead departs to “descend” to Sheol/Hades.
The KJ versions use Hell but they also use Hell to mean Tartarus and Gehenna which confuses an issue that is not always clear in the first place.
Jesus clearly stated that dead people were alive even as their bodies corrupted in their graves. We are told that Jesus body did not see corruption but that his soul descended to Sheol/Hades.
It is the fact Jesus' soul descended to Sheol, a place that is said to be deep in the earth, that I was referring to.
Quote (terraricca @ May 29 2014,05:31) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 29 2014,00:10) Mike…….Yes they were able to enter the kingdom of God while still in the flesh. You simply do not believe what Jesus said, THE KINGDOM of GOD , comes “NOT with “OBSERVATION” It is “WITHIN YOU”, . Why would Jesus even say that if it weren't true ? Peace and love ………….gene
geneyou make a wrong turn somewhere ,that comment as nothing to do with Mike is talking about
Terricca………So Mike was not. Talking about flesh and blood being able to enter the kingdom of God., then what was he talking about OWISEO ONE.peace and love………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 29 2014,02:08) Quote (terraricca @ May 29 2014,05:31) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 29 2014,00:10) Mike…….Yes they were able to enter the kingdom of God while still in the flesh. You simply do not believe what Jesus said, THE KINGDOM of GOD , comes “NOT with “OBSERVATION” It is “WITHIN YOU”, . Why would Jesus even say that if it weren't true ? Peace and love ………….gene
geneyou make a wrong turn somewhere ,that comment as nothing to do with Mike is talking about
Terricca………So Mike was not. Talking about flesh and blood being able to enter the kingdom of God., then what was he talking about OWISEO ONE.peace and love………….gene
Geneyes he did ,but you are mixing flesh and spiritual things all in one basket
Quote (kerwin @ May 29 2014,01:10) Quote (terraricca @ May 28 2014,23:37) Quote (kerwin @ May 28 2014,23:24) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 28 2014,03:32) Hi KW,
Yes it speaks of his soul.
The same as his ascension but now covered in a heavenly body en route as happens with us.
Nick,That sounds reasonable.
Khow is that reasonable in scriptures
T,Jesus' soul descended to Sheol and when he was resurrected in his immortal body his soul returned. His immortal body is also a heavenly body. Nick chose to use an adjective that did not tell us what the heavenly composed and so I can agree with his statement.
Kuntil you solve your understanding of what really is a soul you will never know what is the body for it
T,
Scripture literally states Jesus' soul descended to Hades. Hades is translated from the Hebrew word Sheol.
Rachel named her child as he soul departed her body and she died, Genesis 35:18.
Jesus was resurrected so the opposite happened and his soul returned to his body.
This does not say what the soul is but it is clear that it includes consciousness from Genesis 35:18.
Hi GB,
.Job 4:15
“Then a spirit passed by my face; The hair of my flesh bristled up.But you says spirits cannot live without a body??
Even evil spirits live and wander through dry places till they find another home.T,
I can see Genes' argument as in every other case inheritance of the kingdom of God is spoken of it is the fruit of the spirit one lives by that is the context.
In addition 1 Corinthians 15:50 address the physical side with the words “nor does corruption inherit incorruptibility”.
So it seems Gene is saying the first part is about the spiritual side of man and the second part is about the physical side. I have no disagreement with that even though I favor a different interpretation.
Hi GB,
Thy kingdom come , Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
And the king will come and take his rightful throne on earth
.Matthew 25:31
“But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne..Mark 8:38
For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.”.Luke 9:26
For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when He comes in His glory, and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.Quote (kerwin @ May 29 2014,03:18) T, I can see Genes' argument as in every other case inheritance of the kingdom of God is spoken of it is the fruit of the spirit one lives by that is the context.
In addition 1 Corinthians 15:50 address the physical side with the words “nor does corruption inherit incorruptibility”.
So it seems Gene is saying the first part is about the spiritual side of man and the second part is about the physical side. I have no disagreement with that even though I favor a different interpretation.
kWHAT SCRIPTURES SAYS IS THIS ;THAT UNLESS WE BECOME SPIRITUALLY INCLINE AND FULL OF TRUTH IN GOD'S WAY WE WILL NOT ENTER THIS IS FOR SOME ONLY ,INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ,AND THAT WE CANNOT ENTER THAT KINGDOM UNLESS WE ARE CHANGED INTO WHAT IT TAKES TO GO THERE ,
BUT THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS
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