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God created Adam of the dust,
and God breathed into his nostrils
the breath of life.
and he *BECAME* a living soul.dust + breath of life = soul = breathing living person.
The spirit of a person is what he is, as a person.
Some evil some good.
The spirit of an evil person is the person's behaviour.The spirit of a God fearing person is his behaviour.
The light in him; will be him in the resurrection.
Some will be brighter than others.Their reward is **according to their deeds**.rev 22:12.
wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 31 2013,03:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2013,05:30) So in your thinking, the body Jesus was raised from the dead in – the one with scars and holes – is the new glorified body in which Jesus exists now at the right hand of God?
Mike,Paul teaches us those that are resurrected from the burial place do not have the same body that is planted there……..
So I'm confused now. Do you believe Jesus was raised with a DIFFERENT body, and that his new, glorious, spiritual body ALSO had scars and holes?Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 30 2013,17:28) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2013,04:16)
Kerwin,The point is that when Paul used the word “flesh” in describing the various animals, man included, he actually MEANT “flesh” – and not some abstract meaning.
So why then would you think he DIDN'T actually mean “flesh” when he said “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God”?
Mike,Flesh has many uses in Scripture while flesh and blood is a Jewish idiom that then and now means mortal.
That doesn't answer the question, Kerwin. I didn't ask IF there were other things “flesh” can stand for. I asked WHY you think Paul didn't literally mean flesh in 1 Cor 15:50 when he DID literally mean “flesh” in verse 39.The real answer is: Mike, because I WANT Jesus to still have flesh, I have no choice but to do my best to TWIST the meaning of the very clear words: 'Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God'.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2013,13:36) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 30 2013,17:28) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2013,04:16)
Kerwin,The point is that when Paul used the word “flesh” in describing the various animals, man included, he actually MEANT “flesh” – and not some abstract meaning.
So why then would you think he DIDN'T actually mean “flesh” when he said “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God”?
Mike,Flesh has many uses in Scripture while flesh and blood is a Jewish idiom that then and now means mortal.
That doesn't answer the question, Kerwin. I didn't ask IF there were other things “flesh” can stand for. I asked WHY you think Paul didn't literally mean flesh in 1 Cor 15:50 when he DID literally mean “flesh” in verse 39.The real answer is: Mike, because I WANT Jesus to still have flesh, I have no choice but to do my best to TWIST the meaning of the very clear words: 'Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God'.
Mike,
All of the early fathers would disagree with you.Do some research!
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103509.htm
That is a quick search, there's more.
I don't have time to read those things, 2B. Just tell me if Irenaeus believes flesh and bone human beings dwell in the spiritual realms of heaven.
Mike, Irenaeus would call you a type of heretic and Wakeup an absolute heretic! But, you would also be a heretic for agreeing and siding with Wakeup the absolute heretic. (That is going by whom Irenaeus calls heretic)… tehe.
The early church had a different understanding to what flesh and blood not inheriting the kingdom of God, meant. And it wasn't yours,.from what I can see.
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 01 2013,12:36) Mike, Irenaeus would call you a type of heretic and Wakeup an absolute heretic! But, you would also be a heretic for agreeing and siding with Wakeup the absolute heretic. (That is going by whom Irenaeus calls heretic)… tehe. The early church had a different understanding to what flesh and blood not inheriting the kingdom of God, meant. And it wasn't yours,.from what I can see.
2Besee.Your doctrine's survival is by spinning the Word of God
to your patch of cloth.
The scriptures *CAN NOT* be broken.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 31 2013,16:18) Kerwin. I feel sorry for those in Christ,
with no arms and legs and no eyes.
Because you say; Jesus was resurrected as he was.wakeup.
Wakeup,God gives the resurrected and the changed the body he desires to give them.
Whatever condition Jesus was in that was the body God decided to give him. If God chose to erase the mark of his wounds that too is God's decision.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2013,06:36) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 30 2013,17:28) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2013,04:16)
Kerwin,The point is that when Paul used the word “flesh” in describing the various animals, man included, he actually MEANT “flesh” – and not some abstract meaning.
So why then would you think he DIDN'T actually mean “flesh” when he said “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God”?
Mike,Flesh has many uses in Scripture while flesh and blood is a Jewish idiom that then and now means mortal.
That doesn't answer the question, Kerwin. I didn't ask IF there were other things “flesh” can stand for. I asked WHY you think Paul didn't literally mean flesh in 1 Cor 15:50 when he DID literally mean “flesh” in verse 39.The real answer is: Mike, because I WANT Jesus to still have flesh, I have no choice but to do my best to TWIST the meaning of the very clear words: 'Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God'.
Mike,I told you why flesh and blood is an idiom in 1 Corinthians 15:50 and flesh is not a idiom when Paul states all flesh is not the same.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 01 2013,13:17) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 31 2013,16:18) Kerwin. I feel sorry for those in Christ,
with no arms and legs and no eyes.
Because you say; Jesus was resurrected as he was.wakeup.
Wakeup,God gives the resurrected and the changed the body he desires to give them.
Whatever condition Jesus was in that was the body God decided to give him. If God chose to erase the mark of his wounds that too is God's decision.
Kerwin.Jesus served His father to his death.
He was perfection in God's eyes.HE WAS RESURRECTED ACCORDING THE SPIRIT HE HAD
INSIDE HIM.(the bright morning star).And so will we be judged; all according to the fullness of the spirit in us.
The more fuel/oil, in one; the brighter one will shine.
one's reward will be according to the works.rev.22:12.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 01 2013,08:35) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 01 2013,13:17) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 31 2013,16:18) Kerwin. I feel sorry for those in Christ,
with no arms and legs and no eyes.
Because you say; Jesus was resurrected as he was.wakeup.
Wakeup,God gives the resurrected and the changed the body he desires to give them.
Whatever condition Jesus was in that was the body God decided to give him. If God chose to erase the mark of his wounds that too is God's decision.
Kerwin.Jesus served His father to his death.
He was perfection in God's eyes.HE WAS RESURRECTED ACCORDING THE SPIRIT HE HAD
INSIDE HIM.(the bright morning star).And so will we be judged; all according to the fullness of the spirit in us.
The more fuel/oil, in one; the brighter one will shine.
one's reward will be according to the works.rev.22:12.wakeup.
WQuote HE WAS RESURRECTED ACCORDING THE SPIRIT HE HAD
INSIDE HIM.(the bright morning star).THERE ARE TWO SPIRITS IN EVERY PERSON ;ONE THAT IS THE BEING AND THE ONE THAT DRIVES THAT PERSON (GOOD OR WICKEDNESS)
THE SECOND IS THE MEAN TO JUDGE THE FIRST ONE
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 01 2013,08:22) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2013,06:36) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 30 2013,17:28) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2013,04:16)
Kerwin,The point is that when Paul used the word “flesh” in describing the various animals, man included, he actually MEANT “flesh” – and not some abstract meaning.
So why then would you think he DIDN'T actually mean “flesh” when he said “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God”?
Mike,Flesh has many uses in Scripture while flesh and blood is a Jewish idiom that then and now means mortal.
That doesn't answer the question, Kerwin. I didn't ask IF there were other things “flesh” can stand for. I asked WHY you think Paul didn't literally mean flesh in 1 Cor 15:50 when he DID literally mean “flesh” in verse 39.The real answer is: Mike, because I WANT Jesus to still have flesh, I have no choice but to do my best to TWIST the meaning of the very clear words: 'Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God'.
Mike,I told you why flesh and blood is an idiom in 1 Corinthians 15:50 and flesh is not a idiom when Paul states all flesh is not the same.
KQuote I told you why flesh and blood is an idiom in 1 Corinthians 15:50 and flesh is not a idiom when Paul states all flesh is not the same. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT PAUL SAYS NATURE TELLS YOU WITHOUT A DOUBT THAT FLESH WITH BLOOD AND BONES OR WITHOUT BLOOD AND BONES WE JUST CANNOT LIVE IN SPACE ,NOR TRAVEL ,WE WOULD DIE INSTANTLY ,AND PAUL WAS NOT MENTIONING A SPACE SUIT RIGHT
YES ,UNLESS YOU WOULD SAY THE CLOUDS 
The spirit of men desires the material things.
If one adopt the spirit of God;
one will put off those material desires
and go for the desires of God.
We will be resurrected according
to the spirit of God in us.The more oil we possess,the brighter
we will be resurrected.wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 01 2013,10:33) T, Paul was not speaking of space, he was speaking of inheriting the new earth and the new heaven.
KOnly 144k will be redeemed from the earth,all others will be resurrected on earth,God is the one that pick who's going and where ,not us men,
The new earth is for the resurrected ones that receive everlasting life,
And the new heaven is for those that will come from heaven and rule the earth,Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 01 2013,12:28) The spirit of men desires the material things.
If one adopt the spirit of God;
one will put off those material desires
and go for the desires of God.
We will be resurrected according
to the spirit of God in us.The more oil we possess,the brighter
we will be resurrected.wakeup.
WThe fact that we stop to pursue the desires of the flesh and peruse the things of God does not make us any different of being a man,but it drives us closer to God than before we change ,
We do not chose where we going ,it is God that set the table ,even Christ says that he does know who will sit where and only 144k will be redeemed from the earth.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 01 2013,13:17) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 31 2013,16:18) Kerwin. I feel sorry for those in Christ,
with no arms and legs and no eyes.
Because you say; Jesus was resurrected as he was.wakeup.
Wakeup,God gives the resurrected and the changed the body he desires to give them.
Whatever condition Jesus was in that was the body God decided to give him. If God chose to erase the mark of his wounds that too is God's decision.
Kerwin.Can you provide scriptures
to support your claim?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 01 2013,15:15) 2Besee. Your doctrine's survival is by spinning the Word of God
to your patch of cloth.
The scriptures *CAN NOT* be broken.wakeup.
Wakeup, what do you mean, “my doctrine”? It is what most people believe (that are Christian).Jesus was resurrected in the flesh and bone – that is scriptural.
Why would you doubt that?
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 01 2013,22:15) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 01 2013,15:15) 2Besee. Your doctrine's survival is by spinning the Word of God
to your patch of cloth.
The scriptures *CAN NOT* be broken.wakeup.
Wakeup, what do you mean, “my doctrine”? It is what most people believe (that are Christian).Jesus was resurrected in the flesh and bone – that is scriptural.
Why would you doubt that?
2Besee.That statement can be proven wrong
by bringing forth other scriptures.
Jesus said: when you are born of the spirit;
You are spirit.NOT flesh.Jesus said to thomas:
Feel me; for a spirit has no flesh and bones.
So it's obvious that Jesus did not appear
as He really is. But appeared in the flesh for
them to see,feel, and touch.I believe that He appeared in the flesh indeed.
But I dont believe that's what He really is made of, after His resurrection. Because of His own words.
Born of the spirit=spirit.
At His coming;He will appear as He is.
Every eye will be opened to see Him as He is.wakeup.
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