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Gene, why try to convince anyone of your view. According to you there is no free will. You act in a way as if it existed. lol.
T8…….MY OWN WILL , YES, BUT A WILL THAT IS “FREE” OF “INFLUENCE” AS YOU FALSE ASSUMPTION YOUR WILL IS, NO. I HAVE LIBERTY HERE TO EXPRESS MY INFLUENCED WILL, BUT IF MY WILL “ITSELF” WAS “FREE” I WOULD BE DEAD.
The word freewill is an OXYMORON, NO SUCH THINGS EXISTS.
Peace and love to you and yours T8……………………gene
Nick……YES OUR WILL’S ARE INFLUENCED, BY God’s spirit, or haven’t you read, ” FOR HE (GOD) WORKS IN US “BOTH” TO “WILL” AND DO OF “HIS” GOOD PLEASURE”.
Peace and love to you and yours………………gene
Nick……it is you trying to force your own ideas here not me, if I can’t scripture ly back up what I am saying then hold me accountable, but if I can then why do you not except it? Remember pride goes before a fall, so it would pay you to be more considerate of others and less sarcastic. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………gene
Hi GB,
So where in scripture is this spirit intellect idea?
You said you are taught by the Spirit so it should be there somewhere.
Admit it. It is your own inspiration
Nick…….If spirit reminds us of the words of Jesus spoke to us, then what are words, are they not the expression of thoughts or intellects the spirits have supplies us with . Common sense 101. Go look up the meaning of “word” it might help you understand.
If you don’t believe words are means of intelligent conversations, then you really are out in lala land.
Every spirit supplies intellects of it own type and kind to our minds. But you not having any idea what a spirit really is, can’t understand that, you believe only what is written is where we can “only” get our understanding, not even realizing, there has been many changes to scriptures over the years, even whole sentences have been remover altered and added especially in the new testament. It is the spirit of God that must impart the truth to our minds, not just what is written. I am not saying all of what is written is wrong though. Nick, 90% of what I quote from scriptures here comes from memory given me by the spirit, the spirit itself brings them to mind, I don’t need to look in a bible every time a say something here that scriptures say, they are brought to my mind when needed.
What did Jesus say , “therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the Kingdom of heaven, is like unto a man, that is an householder, which brings forth out of his treasure, “THINGS NEW” AND OLD”.
Just because you lack understanding is no excuse to belittle a person. If you don’t understand that spirits give intelligences of all kinds and types, then live with it, and quite bad mouthing others who do understand it.
It have told you before I do not want to get into personally belittling contest here, if you don’t agree with me that’s fine, neither do I agree with you on this subject, so lets leave it at that. You don’t believe Jesus still has the body he rose from the grave with, that fine with me, but others here do. So what does scripture say, “have you faith have it unto yourself”
Peace and love to you and yours…………………gene
Nick……it is you trying to force your own ideas here not me, if I can’t scripture ly back up what I am saying then hold me accountable, but if I can then why do you not except it? Remember pride goes before a fall, so it would pay you to be more considerate of others and less sarcastic. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………gene
Hi Gene,
The bible clearly says there is “FreeWill”. Yet it is YOU who deny it. Perhaps YOUR WILL is indeed held captive.
“I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites,
in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.” (Ezra 7:13)___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODEdj. ……let’s go look up the word used there for the word “freewill” It comes from a word meaning willingness, it has nothing to do with the word “freewill” because no such true meaning exists when speaking of the will itself.
I never said we don’t have “liberty” to express our WILLS, SO THE KINGDOM AND THE PEOPLE “WANTED” TO GIVE FROM THEMSELVES, THEY HAD LIBERTY TO DO THAT IF THEY “WANTED TO” or that was there WILL TO. Now you need to ask why did they WANT TO GIVE, WAS IT BECAUSE THEY WILLS, WERE FREE FROM ANY INFLUENCE, OR WAS IT BE CAUSE THE HAD A “DSIRE” OR WILLINGNESS TO, IF YOU LOOKING AT WHAT CAUSE THAT DECISION IT WOULD TELL YOU IF THE WILL WAS ALTOGETHER ‘FREE’ OR NOT. MEN AND WEMEN VOLUNTARILY DO MAN THING all THE TIME, BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WILL “ITSELF” BEING FREE AT ALL, BUT JUST A LIBERTY TO EXPRESS THOSE “DRIVEN” WILLS.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO PRODUCE A SCRIPTURE THAT BACK UP A SO-CALLED WILL THAT OF “ITSELF” FREE THEN AT LAST PRODUCE A SCRIPTURE THAT IS DIRECTLY ADRESSING THE SUBJECT, “ABOUT” THE WILL ITSELF AND IS SPECIFIC TO THE WILL “ITSELF” , THERE IS NOT ONE SCRIPTURE THAT SAY OUR WILLS ARE “FREE” THEMSELVES, YOUR ADRESSING THE USE OF THEM NOT THE Will’s THEMSELVES. Had you read what you posted clearly enough you would have known that. So again produce a scripture addressing the wills themselves. Go back and carefully watch the video you posted. The man was right in what he said, IMO.
peace and love to you and yours………………gene
Nick…….SPIRITS SUPPLY THE “LORD” WHO IS OUR GOD, AND MEN WITH MORE THEN JUST IDEAS, THEY GIVE US THE COGNESSITY TO UNDERSTAND AND CONPERHEND THOSE IDEAS, which forms our intellect’s.
We are being created unto good works by the spirits of God working in our minds, causing us to will and do his good pleasure. We are being transformed by the renewing of our minds, we are told.
Peace and love to you and yours………………gene
Hi GB,
Yes that is a popular claim
I think such and such and my confidence in my idea shows it is from the Spirit.
Cobblers
Nick……And you don’t do that? You are constantly expressing you own ideas here, where do you think your sarcastic statements are from, the spirit of God, I hardly think so. As I have said before people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
I have shown you scripture after scripture that expresses what I have said and you instead of acknowledging those scriptures just ignore them as if they don’t exist, and sarcastically say they are my own ideas. Then proceed to express your own ideas about me as if what I said are mine ideas.
In effect what you tell us is we are not of God, because we use our God give logical minds, but you on the other hand are, because you falsely assume you don’t use any logic from your mind, when in fact all your sarcasms come from you youself. Pure hypocrisy at best, you need to remove the log from you own eye before attempting to remove the splinter from you brothers eye, IMO.
peace and love to you and yours…………………gene
Hi GB,
You imagine scripture infers what you claim and that is enough for you to declare it truth?
It would be better to be less vain and teach what is written
Hi KW,
The ‘spirit is useful” to you?
What makes you think it is “the spirit’ and not just your self confidence?
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