Were there giants on the Earth?

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     Truthcomber 
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    Thanks T8

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     carmel 
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    Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

    TC, and ALL.

    Jesus in the above was talking about God’s kingdom. He analogously mentioned Noah and Lot events simply to make us aware that ON THAT DAY when the Son of Man glorify and rule the  ENTIRE world it would happen the same thing,

    BUT SPIRITUALLY and THE SON OF MAN WILL DESTROY THEM ALL, SATAN AND HIS DEMONS!

    but no one would be able to see WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, and there won’t be the need for anybody to do something to save his life because IF HE/SHE DOES SO  will lose it, and whoever loses his life on earth and die, ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY OF THE SON OF MAN, shall save it.

    Jesus simply REFERRED TO HIS SPIRITUAL VICTORY HE ACHIEVED ON THE DAY HE DIED ON THE CROSS, and talked about the DESTRUCTION OF SATAN AND HIS DEMONS FROM WITHIN HUMAN SOULS. 

    Now read ALL Luke 17:20-37

    And being asked by the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come? he answered them, and said: The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: ( NO ONE WOULD SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD BECAUSE IT WOULD BE SPIRITUAL)

    21Neither shall they say: Behold here, or behold there. For lo, the kingdom of God is within you. ( AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL, JESUS MADE IT CLEAR THAT THE KINGDOM WOULD BE SPIRITUAL IN THEIR SOULS)

    22And he said to his disciples: (HERE JESUS IS TALKING TO HIS DISCIPLES, MOST PROBABLY PRIVATELY)

    The days will come, when you shall desire to see ONE DAY of the Son of man; and you shall not see it. 

    ( JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, RULED EARTH SPIRITUALLY FROM THE CROSS TILL PENTECOSTE, 50 DAYS.  SATAN AND HIS DEMONS WERE LOCKED IN HELL, UNEMPLOYED, SIMPLY WITHOUT A CAUSE, BECAUSE THE OLD CARNAL LAW BY WHICH SATAN WAS GRABBING SOULS WAS OBSOLETE, HENCE JESUS, THE SON OF MAN: DESTROYED THEM ALL, at least till Pentecost, WHEN THE NEW SPIRITUAL LAW THROUGH CHRIST CHURCH WAS INTRODUCED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT) 23And they will say to you: See here, and see there. Go ye not after, nor follow them:

    24For as the lightening that lighteneth from under heaven, shineth unto the parts that are under heaven, so shall the Son of man be in his day.

    (JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, LIT  THE ENTIRE WORLD ON HIS DEATH IN ORDER  FOR THE SPIRITUAL REALMS TO PERCEIVE THAT GOD

    ONCE AND FOR ALL, BECAME MAN IN JESUS THE SON OF MAN, GOD OF ALL FLESH, ON EARTH, SATANIC)

    25But first he must suffer many things, and be rejected by this generation. 26And as it came to pass in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.27They did eat and drink, they married wives, and were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark: and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28Likewise as it came to pass, in the days of Lot: they did eat and drink, they bought and sold, they planted and built. 29And in the day that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man shall be revealed. ( JESUS, WAS SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD, REV.13:8  A TREASURE HIDDEN IN A FIELD, BUT IMMEDIATELY ON HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS HE WAS REVEALED IN FULL GLORY)

    31In that hour, he that shall be on the housetop, and his goods in the house, let him not go down to take them away: and he that shall be in the field, in like manner, let him not return back. ( GOT IT? IN THAT HOUR OF JESUS’ DEATH ON THE CROSS, WHEN JESUS DESTROYED AND, ANNIHILATED,  ALL THE EVIL SPIRITS FROM THE EARTH, WHICH WAS THE END OF THE WORLD FOR SATAN AND HIS DEMONS, similar to what happened to HUMANITY IN NOAH, AND LOT, FROM THE OTHER HAND HUMANITY WILL NOT BE TROUBLED AT ALL TO PROTECT THEMSELVES, SINCE IT’S ALL SPIRITUAL)

    32Remember Lot’s wife. 33Whosoever shall seek to save his life, shall lose it: and whosoever shall lose it, shall preserve it. (ON JESUS DEATH THOUGH, THOSE WHO SAVED THEIR LIFE FOR A REASON OR ANOTHER DEFINITELY LOST IT AFTERWARDS  SINCE JESUS, RULED EARTH ONLY FORTY DAYS, AND AFTERWORDS SATAN AND HIS DEMONS RULED AGAIN ON EARTH, BUT THOSE WHO DIED ON JESUS THAT, OBVIOUSLY THEY PRESERVED IT FOR THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD, THEY WERE SAVED, SINCE JESUS, PURCHASED THE SATANIC FLESH AND BLOOD BODY WITH HIS OWN BLOOD, JESUS BECAME THE PROPRIETOR OF ALL FLESH, AND 

    THE SOLE RULER WITHIN ALL SOULS NO MATTER WHO, ASSERTED HEREUNDER)

    34I say to you: in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. ( TWO MEN ON ONE BED, GAYS!, BUT SINCE JESUS REDEEMED HUMANITY FROM THE CARNAL LAW, THE SINS OF THE FLESH, THESE TWO MEN  IN THAT NIGHT WERE PURIFIED BY JESUS’ BLOOD. WITHIN THOSE MEN THEIR WAS SATAN IN THEIR SOULS, BUT ALSO “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN AS THE LIFE SOURCE OF ALL, BUT ON JESUS DEATH:

    THE ONE SATAN WAS TAKEN AND WAS LOCKED HELL, AND THE OTHER JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, WAS JUSTIFIED THE TRUTH, AND WAS LEFT IN THEIR SOULS FOREVER, DESPITE THEY WERE IN FULL GLORY WITH THEIR CARNAL SINS OF SEX)

    35Two women shall be grinding together: the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left: ( JESUS FOR THE FIRST EVER TIME BECAME THE ABSOLUTE  SOVEREIGN OVER THE WOMAN, SATAN OWNED EVE IMMEDIATELY ON HER SIN, THIS IS ALSO MANIFESTED IN MAGDALENE WHOM SHE HAD SEVEN DEVILS IN HER SOUL WHICH SYMBOLICALLY MEANS GOD OF THE WORLD, SATANA. BUT IN THE TRUTH IT WAS ALL THE TIME “THE WORD” JESUS THE SON OF MAN, SLAIN LIKE A LAMB……) two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. ( THE ONE SATAN WAS REMOVED FROM THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF THE WORLD, AND

    THE ONE THE TRUTH, JESUS FOR THE FIRST EVER TIME, BECAME THE SOLE SOVEREIGN OVER EARTH  FOREVER, AND SATAN SUBJECT TO

    THE SON OF MAN) )36They answering, say to him: Where, Lord? 37Who said to them: Wheresoever the body shall be, thither will the eagles also be gathered together. ( FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING, might as well GIVE IT TO THE EAGLES, JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, OWNS IT, THE FACT THAT HE RESURRECTED IN IT, 

    THE SON OF MAN IN THE TRUTH, WHICH WAS 

    SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD  REV.13.8

    AND IT IS SAVED AND PRESERVED IN HEAVEN)

    1Peter 1Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy hath regenerated us unto a lively hope, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4Unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that can not fade, reserved in heaven for you, 5Who, by the power of God, are kept by faith unto salvation, ready to be revealed in the last time.

    1John3:1 Behold what manner of charity the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called, and should be the sons of God. Therefore the world knoweth not us, because it knew not him. 2Dearly beloved, we are now the sons of God; and it hath not yet appeared what we shall be. We know, that, when he shall appear, we shall be like to him: because we shall see him as he is. 3And every one that hath this hope in him, sanctifieth himself, as he also is holy.

     

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ.

     

     

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     Jodi 
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    Good Morning All,

    I haven’t had any time this week to read and follow up on posts.

    This weekend or later this evening I may have some free time.

    I just wanted to take a moment to say a few things and I will try and keep it simple.

    Our Creator made man in His own image, unlike any other creature that He made on earth.

    We have self awareness, we have an imagination, we have been given certain natural desires, we desire to learn, to obtain knowledge, we seek understanding. We have the desire to explore, observe, think and reason. We seek to accomplish and achieve, we too like to design and create.

    Adam and Eve were ignorant, and all children born in the world are also born ignorant and must learn. Our Creator gave us the capability through higher intelligence to be able to know of and learn from God through His Spirit. Other creatures on earth were not given such capabilities. Without God’s Spirit teaching us the way, man is LEFT to follow or walk, as scripture puts it, according to his own way, fulfilling his natural desires through his own ignorance and imagination.

    All of human history is God’s work bringing mankind into being a created creature that is not only in His image of being self aware and desiring to design, create and accomplish, but to be righteous as He is righteous. His desire is for us to function according to His optimal design He established for us. God is longsuffering towards us not willing that any should perish but for all to come to the knowledge of Him and desire the optimal functioning He can teach us.

    For our Creator to design a kind of creature that is self aware and has it’s own imagination and bring that kind of creature into His image of righteousness is a process that takes instruction and time. Our Creator is to be glorified for the works of His Spirit in what it can accomplish in a created creature, and it is given in us by our Creator that by the end of our journey having reached optimal functioning as our Designer intended, we shall feel accomplished as well.  Only God is good, He is the source of all truth and wisdom, without His Spirit working in our created human spirit we are no different than the other creatures God made, except the fact that we have higher intelligence and we do have an imagination and we have been given certain natural desires that other creatures are oblivious to.

    The bible makes it clear throughout, one man who misses God’s mark does so because he is blind and deaf to God and he is referred to as being like a serpent or any other creature that is also ignorant of God, unlike other creatures however man has self awareness, greater intelligence with an imagination, where he can devise and invent wickedness. You take a handful of powerful men and their armies who know not God nor His ways and you have a beast or a dragon.

    Humans are in fact IGNORANT, they do in fact have an imagination of which being ignorant will only produce lies. When DEATH was brought forth to mankind such a state brought man into having to SERVE his flesh in order to live. Not only did man thus have natural desires to learn, gain wisdom, accomplish and achieve, but he also was subjected to having to serve his flesh in order to remain alive. The enmity was thus created, now we have a carnal mind that by nature says we must serve the flesh in order to live. Such is the DECEIVER, it is the slanderer, our great adversary. For Jesus says, “man shall not live on bread alone, but by God’s word.” God’s word is His wisdom working in our spirit, His wisdom we are told is a Tree of Life. The Gospel of God, His WORD is the anointing of man of His Spirit to a measure that brings man to optimally function according to God’s intended purpose, one filled with wisdom and understanding, one that serves God’s will. Why do humans want to serve God’s will? Because God’s will holds our optimal functioning where the source of love, peace, joy and happiness lives, we just need to have faith in Him and the works of His Spirit. Jesus the anointed is the proof of God’s working Spirit in a man. Our hope is to be made like him, our faith is that God’s Gospel is true, he is the firstborn of the dead into eternal life of many brothers and sisters.

     

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     carmel 
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    Adam and Eve were ignorant, and all children born in the world are also born ignorant and must learn.

    Jodi,

    Read scripture hereunder, and then ask yourself:

    Was Adam ignorant when he was created?

    Was Eve ignorant when she was built?

    Genesis 1:26 And he said: Let us make man

    TO OUR IMAGE AND LIKENESS: and let him have DOMINION over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and the beasts, and the whole earth, and every creeping creature that moveth upon the earth.And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them. 28And God BLESSED them, saying: Increase and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and RULE OVER the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and all living creatures that move upon the earth.

    Adam was created TO GOD’S IMAGE AND LIKENESS:Is God IGNORANT?

    Adam had DOMINION OVER……….the entire GARDEN OF PLEASURE! Was Adam IGNORANT?

    And God BLESSED them,    Did God BLESSED  IGNORANT CREATURES.

    Genesis 2:15 And the Lord God took man, and put him into the paradise for pleasure,

    TO DRESS IT, AND KEEP IT. Was Adam IGNORANT for such magnificent task.

    16And he commanded him, saying: Of every tree of paradise thou shalt eat: 17But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat. for in what day soever thou shalt eat of it, thou shalt die the death.

    And God commanded Adam …………for in what day soever thou shalt eat of it,

    THOUGH SHALT DIE THE DEATH. Was God  JUST TO PUNISH AN IGNORANT CREATURE?

    19And the Lord God having formed out of the ground all the beasts of the earth, and all the fowls of the air, brought them to Adam to see what he would call them: for whatsoever Adam called any living creature the same is its name.

    God brought the animals to Adam to see what he would call them:  Was Adam IGNORANT?

     23 And Adam said: This now is bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called woman, because she was taken out of man.

    THIS IS BONE OF MY BONES………..BECAUSE SHE WAS TAKEN OUT OF MAN!

    WERE ADAM AND EVE IGNORANT?

    Genesis 3:And the woman answered him, saying: Of the fruit of the trees that are in paradise we do eat: 3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of paradise, God hath commanded us that we should not eat; and that

    WE SHOULD NOT TOUCH IT, lest perhaps we die.

    Was Eve IGNORANT?

    Consider: God commanded Adam but of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat. for in what day soever

    THOUGH SHALT YOU EATthou shalt die the death.

    6 And the woman saw that the tree was good to eat, and fair to the eyes, and delightful to behold: and she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave to her husband who did eat.

    Was Eve,  IGNORANT?

    Peace and Love in Jesus Christ.

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    CARMEL…..Then why did GOD SAY, look the man,  “has become”,  as we are to “know” Good and Evil”.  WHEN HE SAID “HAS BECOME”, didn’t that mean  he wasn’t that way before.   AND again, “the heart is deceitful above all things, who can know it”, AND AGAIN,  “IT IS NOT WITHIN a man to direct his paths.”. Carmel,  I believe we are all still learning  and growing in grace and knowledge.  God the father is still creating “in” us,  because it says, “it is God who works in us, “both” to “will”, and do of “his” good pleasure”.  And again, “we are “his” workmanship being created unto “good works”. 

    Peace and love to you and yours ………gene

     

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    You: .So in your opinion all evil is fom a Devil ” being” but JESUS SAYS it comes from the heart of a man.
    Jer 17:9…..”the heart is deceitful above “all” things, and desperately wicked: “
    Pro 12:20……deceit is in the heart of them ,who imagine evil”

    Context is important Gene.

    Evil comes from the heart of man yes. But the source of evil was not man. Man is affected by evil however.

    You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

    It’s really simple. You are a sheep and listen to the shepherd’s voice or you listen to the voice of another.

    My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

    And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

    #844164
     GeneBalthrop 
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    T8…..THE source od evil is GOD,  How could even know what evil is without good they explain one another. Thats why the are in the garden as “one” tree , they are what life consists of, we have to with God’s help learn to master them.

    JESUS’ sheep are the elect of God, who were chosen from the foundations of the earth. IT is God who gives his chosen to Jesus for safe keeping, and it is God’s hand that eltmately keep them.  Just as Jesus said, “my father is greater them I am and no one can take them from him”. 

    SCRIPTURE ALSO SAYS, GOD looked for one rightious man and found none, so he took it upon his own hands to bring salvation.  And again, there is none rightious no not one,  Jesus said “if you “being evil”, (existing in a evil state) know how to give good gifts…. ,  and again JESUS said “why call me good, there is none good, but God.”  

    T8…. WE ALL EXIST IN A EVIL STATE, or why do we “still’ need grace and ask for  forgiveness of sins?  

    We are still in a creating process, WERE not perfect yet, “for we hope for that rightiousness to come”  IMO

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

     

     

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    CARMEL…..Then why did GOD SAY, look the man,  “has become”,  as we are to “know” Good and Evil”.  WHEN HE SAID “HAS BECOME”, didn’t that mean  he wasn’t that way before.

    Gene,

    Mozart was a genius in music, but definitely, he was ignorant of electronics.

    Adam was the most SANCTIFIED creature when he was created, and no other creatures were created as sanctified as Adam, since He was not subject to death, and carried the Holy Spirit in him, the fact that Jesus glorified as God/Man in Jesus Christ furnished again humanity with the Holy Spirit in order to give humanity eternal life.

    John 20:21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me,

    ( IN THE WORLD WITH THE HOLY GHOST,) I also send you.

    ( IN THE WORLD) 22When he had said this, he breathed on them;

    ( AS GOD DID UNTO ADAM) and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost.

    The fact that  Paul called Jesus in

    1 Corinthians 15: 45: The first man Adam was made into a living soul; the last Adam into a LIFE -GIVING  spirit.

    As much as God THROUGH HIS SPIRIT gave life to MAN and

    MAN became A LIVING SOUL.

    Adam as you said,  was IGNORANT of KNOWING GOOD and EVIL,

    HE KNEW ONLY GOOD in his soul, and IMMEDIATELY after he SINNED, he became EVIL, with Satan in his soul, thus he knew both

    GOOD, in “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD.REV.13:8 and EVIL.in Satan

    BOTH IN HIS SOUL.

     

    Peace and Love in Jesus Christ

    #844167
     GeneBalthrop 
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    To all,  if God knows the end from the beginning , then he knew man would sin the day he created them.

    Mankind want to make their salvation about themselves,  instead of GOD, that is why they believe in  “freewill” salvation, you see that cuts God out of the loop, and makes it about the person himself, instead of God. 

    WHO NEED A GOD, If they can do it themselves? By their “own” choices, right?

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

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    Carmel…..have you ever wondered why good and evil are portrayed  as comming from one tree? 

    Could it be that good and evil is what life consists of? , the use of the word  tree  is symbolic,  it means that which “produced” from self.  The word eat is also symbolic, it means to take to one’s self. Put them together and you get this message,  DO not take to “yourself” to produce from “self” , the “knowledge of good and evil, lest you die. 

    Remember Jesus’ words , “either make the tree good, and “his” fruit good, or else make the tree corrupt, and “his” fruit corrupt: for “every tree”, is known by “his” fruit. 

    Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

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     Jodi 
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    Hi t8,

    The source of SIN absolutely is of man. Man is likened to a carnally minded beast throughout the bible, never said to be possessed or influenced by some supernatural wicked rebel spirit.

    “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”

    The word devil means a false accuser, liar, slanderer NOT some wicked rebel supernatural spirit. Man’s Own imagination creates lies, invents ways to serve the flesh and the desires of one’s mind. 

    Jesus called Judas A DEVIL, he was serving mammon and not God, he was serving his god, which was his own mind and his own flesh and he was willing to falsely accuse Jesus for his own gain. 

    The Roman Emperor was called a devil, as he was going to falsely accuse Christ’s followers and throw them into prison, torture and kill them. He too was walking after his own heart, his own imagination, his god was his own mind and his own flesh, willing to falsely accuse Christ’s followers for his own gain. 

    Jesus called Peter an adversary because he was likewise following that which all men follow the MIND of MAN, such is the devil that existed from the beginning. 

    t8, the MIND of man was a liar and a murder from the beginning. God warned CAIN of his desires, man by his imagination invents evil thoughts and if he does not have control over them he will sin. 

    Galatians 5 tells you this exactly, the WORKS of our own FLESH, verses the works of the Spirit. The Spirit gives us wisdom so we are not ignorant in our imaginations, so that we can have SELF control over our own minds when it comes to serving our own minds and our flesh.

    Gene spoke correctly about the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, of function and dysfunction. The Tree of Life we are told in Proverbs represents God’s WISDOM, those who eat the fruit of God’s wisdom it is LIFE to them.  The Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, is man eating of the fruit of his OWN WAY which is INVENTED by his OWN IMAGINATIONS.

    31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.

    21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

    24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

    14 But have walked after the <span class=”highlight”>imagination</span> of their own heart, and after Baalim, which their fathers taught them:

    10 This evil people, which refuse to hear my words, which walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after other gods, to serve them, and to worship them, shall even be as this girdle, which is good for nothing.

    12 And ye have done worse than your fathers; for, behold, ye walk every one after the imagination of his evil heart, that they may not hearken unto me:

    t8, it is our own IMAGINATION that produces LIES, that will slander, that will invent evil. The King of Babylon, the King of Egypt, the King of Tyre, were all of their father that was from the beginning, the CARNAL mind with it’s imagination, where without listening to God and following His Wisdom, it is left to follow it’s OWN WAYS. These kings believed the source of their greatness came from them, they did not acknowledge God, they were carnally minded.

    34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

    The SERPENT in the Garden of Eden was not a vessel some wicked rebel angel with his imagination spoke lies to Eve through.

    Eve was just like those who Jesus called SERPENTS and VIPERS. Out of her own CARNAL MIND with it’s imagination a lie was produced.

    t8, READ

    23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. 25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. 27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. 28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. 29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, 30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. 31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? 34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

    ABEL was MURDERED, not because of some wicked rebel spirit said to be our father seduced Cain,  but because CAIN  was like a SERPENT of a CARNAL MIND. 

    The CARNAL MIND is at enmity against God, not because it can be possessed by wicked spirit beings, but because it has an IMAGINATION of it’s own that can itself invent lies. 

    God is our ROCK, He is our SALVATION and STRENGTH, His WISDOM is our Tree of Life, that when we eat of the fruit of His way we have life. Man is a SERPENT, when he follows his carnal mind he is eating the fruit of his OWN WAY according to his OWN imagination, taking of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, which leads to death.

    5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

    Being carnally minded like that of a serpent, is our problem, not wicked rebel spirits.

    t8, it is absolutely absurd to say that a wicked rebel angel causes man to think like a man, to think carnally. We are a created creature who God gave an imagination to.

    You and others take scriptures that are speaking of a righteous angel and make him wicked, you speak against God’s own rebuke OF MAN.

    You and others take scriptures that are speaking of MEN and say they have dual meaning and are also speaking of wicked angels, when they are speaking of MEN who are carnally minded.

    Paul tells you directly to be CARNALLY MINDED is death, Adam and Eve were subjected to DEATH because they were CARNALLY MINDED, like a serpent also is carnally minded.

    To be CARNALLY MINDED comes from WITHIN, which is what Jesus likewise teaches.

    We are created beings so of course we are carnally minded, PURE VANITY to try and say we are not. PURE VANITY to say, “But the source of evil was not man.” What separates us from other carnal creatures and their minds is that God gave us a spirit that can LEARN from His Spirit, and become spiritually minded. 

     

     

     

    #844185
     t8 
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    T8…..THE source od evil is GOD,

    That’s like saying the source of evil is you from your son’s perspective because you helped bring him into the world.

    God gave free will which means that he enabled the possibility that a being can choose not God. God doesn’t force you to not choose him. If he didn’t provide us with free will, then we would be nothing more than robots acting out a program.

    Free will is necessary in order fort love to exist. No free will, no love. You can’t call obeying a program love.

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     Jodi 
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    To ALL,

    To be CARNALLY MINDED brings you DEATH.

    Death was brought to Adam and Eve because they were CARNALLY MINDED, just like a SERPENT is CARNALLY MINDED. The serpent in the Garden of Eden represented the carnal mind. Adam and Eve ate the fruit of their own way according to their carnal minds. 

    To follow the influence of a wicked rebel angel does NOT equate to being carnally minded. Serpents are carnally minded, they do not know God, they only know what they know naturally. Likewise MEN only know what they know naturally and MEN are ignorant in their imaginations and thus are vastly capable of producing lies. God is the only source for that which is good, including truth held within God’s Spirit of wisdom. God gave us a spirit, a mind, that can learn from His Spirit. Without that Spirit we are like snakes being CARNALLY MINDED, the only difference is that snakes don’t have imaginations. 

     

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     Jodi 
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    To ALL,

    10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not againstflesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

    Christ’s followers mortified the deeds of their own flesh, they were repentant when they stumbled, by their faith and hope that God would perfect them where they would be made like Jesus no longer able to be tempted, they did not war against their flesh, as they were TRUE followers of God and the ANOINTED one, living in hope of their OWN ANOINTING that would bring them into perfection. They truly believed that Jesus made them clean, and by their belief they were counted as Sons of God. They were indeed going to face adversaries, slanderers, where they needed to take the whole armor of God in order to stand against them, even if it meant unto their own torture and death. These adversaries, slanderers, are NOT wicked rebel celestial messengers, they are MEN in authority with great power who are like a beast only following what they know naturally.

    In the time of Paul where he himself was put in prison, he was not speaking of spirit beings roaming around looking to devour Christ’s followers, he was speaking of wicked MEN with great power.

     

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