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The word is simply ‘come/ go’ rather than “we will come /go”. “We” seems to be an addition. And “our” is not there.
See here: http://biblehub.com/text/john/14-23.htm for the analysis.
Hi Miia,
Funny how when you disagree with something, you
all of sudden know more than ALL the translators.Ed,
Here is a yes and no question.
Since you claim there is two Spirits do you believe that Ephesians 2:14 is wrong to claim there is only one?
No I don’t claim there are two Spirits that are God – of course Christ has his own spirit just like you have you own spirit.
“WE will come unto him, and make OUR abode with him” (John 14:23)
1. Spirit of God
2. Spirit of Christ________________
God bless
Ed JEDJ….WRONG, THE CHRISTO’S IS NOT THE MAN JESUS ‘ SPIRIT, IT IS THE ANOINTING SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD ,THAT DECENDED ON HIM AT HIS BAPTIZM BY JOHN. JESUS IS CALLED THE Christ or anointed one, but he himself is not that anointing he has on him. there is only one spirit of God and it dwelled “IN” JESUS. THAT IS WHY HE SAID THE Father was in him, because the father God is a spirit and can indwell him and us all. ONE GOD ONE SPIRIT OF GOD,”IN ALL AND THROUGH ALL”.
ROM 8:9-11, TELLS IT ALL, IF YOU CAN’T SEE THIS, YOU HAVEN’T EVEN BEGAN TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH YET, IT WAS GOD WHO WAS “IN” THE MAN JESUS THAT WAS RECONCILING THE WORLD UNTO “HIMSELF” TO WHO? “HIMSELF” HOW BY BEING “IN” JESUS. GOD WHO IS SPIRIT WAS “IN” JESUS, THE IS WHAT MADE JESUS “THE CHRISTO’S OR ANOINTED ONE OF GOD.
“the son of man can do nothing of “himself” the FATHER who is “IN” him “HE” does the works”.
These are simple things you should have long ago known, if you have any spirit of truth in you, and yes i do say it over and over, the truth doe not change, so why shouldn’t it be repeated?
peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
EDJ….WRONG, THE CHRISTO’S IS NOT THE MAN JESUS ‘ SPIRIT
Hi Gene,
According to Micah 5:2 “the spirit of Christ” comes forth from everlasting to Bethlehem.
Whose goings forth have been from everlasting shall he come forth out of thee Bethlehem.
so it is NOT a different spirit that Jesus picked up later in life, which is your contention.
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God bless
Ed JHi Gene,
How do you account for Jesus living a sin-free life
for “the first 30 years” of his life. before he was
baptized with the spirit of his father?_______________
God bless
Ed JHi Ed,
If the scripture in Micah is prophetic how can you expect it to clarify timings?
The Spirit of Christ was not born but the future vessel for that Spirit was.
All deliberately confusing for natural minds – shadows of real truth.
Whose goings forth have been from everlasting shall he come forth out of thee Bethlehem.
Hi Nick,
Micah 5:2 is about “the spirit of Christ” coming from eternity to Bethlehem.
There is no ‘Jordan river by-pass’. Back to drawing board._______________
God bless
Ed JHi Ed,
So you say.
What support from scripture can you find?
With you love of number codes why do you stumble over the word codes in scripture?
Hi Ed,
So you say.
What support from scripture can you find?
Hi Nick,
“For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.” (Luke 2:11)
Ed,
No I don’t claim there are two Spirits that are God – of course Christ has his own spirit just like you have you own spirit.
“WE will come unto him, and make OUR abode with him” (John 14:23)
1. Spirit of God
2. Spirit of ChristI did not say Spirit’ that is God. I said Spirit like the passage does. It is implied that the Spirit comes from God.
Since your answer introduced a new mystery please answer this one.
Do you believe Jesus’ Spirit did not come from God?
Miia,
Hi Miia,
Funny how when you disagree with something, you
all of sudden know more than ALL the translators.Ed infers he puts his trust in the translators but it is probably not misplaced this time as Koine Greek has a fair share of implied words.
You are correct that those implied words are one place biases can creep in and therefore it is perhaps wiser for the translator to leave them implied.
EDJ…..THE SPIRIT THAT WAS TO BE IN JESUS, WAS THE SPIRIT OF GOD, and it was and is from eternity, and it came to impregnate MARY IN BETHLEHEM, WHO GAVE BERTH BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD, TO A PHYSICAL HUMAN SON OF HIS, THE ONLY HUMAN “BORN INTO EXISTENCE” AS A SON OF GOD, FROM ALL HUMANITY, AND AT THE AGE OF APROXAMONTLY THIRTY YEARS OLD, THIS PHYSICAL BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, RECIEVED THE HOLY SPIRIT INTO HIM, AT THE JORDAN RIVER. AND BECAME A “SPRITUAL” BEGOTTEN, SON OF GOD, IF THAT DID NOT ACTUALLY HAPPEN THEN WHY WAS IT EVEN WRITTEN IN OUR SCRIPTURES IN THE FIRST PLACE?
WE HAVE GIVEN YOU THE CLEAR SCRIPTURES IT’S IN
ROM 8:11, “but if the “SPIRIT” of “HIM” that raised up CHRIST from the dead dwell “in” you, HE that raised up CHRIST FROM THE DEAD, shall “ALSO” quicken your mortal bodies, (how), by HIS SPIRIT THAT DWELLS “IN” YOU.
Are you still unable to see it was that SAME SPIRIT, THAT WILL RAISE US UP THAT WAS WHAT RAISED JESUS THE CHRIST UP, IT IS THE SAME ANOINTING SPIRIT, THAT EXISTED FRON ALL ETERNITY. THAT CAME AND IMPREGNATED MARY, JESUS’ MOTHER, GIVING “GOD” THE FATHER A HUMAN SON THROUGH HUMANITY. The only human son of GOD brought to berth through a human WOMEN. JESUS was born exactly as we are without any exception he was a pure ordinary human beibg who later became a spritual son of God by the holy spirit he recieved at the Jordan river. THEN he was led to be tested and after that he was sent out into the world to preach the gospel of the Kingdom of God, to us all.
EDJ, if you do not know and understand these simple things, you haven’t even began to understand the truth YET. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………gene
Hi Miia,
Funny how when you disagree with something, you
all of sudden know more than ALL the translators.If you believe Paul then there is only one spirit, not two. If there is inconsistency then look to the original text to find any possible additions. That is what I did, and there is no contradiction. One Spirit.
Let me tell you, in the beginning I was visited by Christ/ God. There was only one. Do you understand that? How could I say “Christ/ God” when there is only one spirit? No, I’m not trinitarian, because I do not believe the spirit is a separate third being. And I believe in the Father and the Son, with the one Spirit.
Ed infers he puts his trust in the translators but it is probably not misplaced this time as Koine Greek has a fair share of implied words.
You are correct that those implied words are one place biases can creep in and therefore it is perhaps wiser for the translator to leave them implied.
Ed J puts his trust in the AKJV.
I think Desiderius Erasmus had a part in today’s translations, including the KJ/ AKJV, with some controversy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desiderius_Erasmus#Publication_of_the_Greek_New_Testament
Ed,
Here is a yes and no question.
Since you claim there is two Spirits do you believe that Ephesians 2:14 is wrong to claim there is only one?
No I don’t claim there are two Spirits that are God – of course Christ has his own spirit just like you have you own spirit.
“WE will come unto him, and make OUR abode with him” (John 14:23)
1. Spirit of God
2. Spirit of Christ________________
God bless
Ed J(1)I did not say Spirit’ that is God. I said Spirit like the passage does. It is implied that the Spirit comes from God.
Since your answer introduced a new mystery please answer this one.
(2)Do you believe Jesus’ Spirit did not come from God?
Kerwin,
1) The word “spirit” is not mentioned in Ephesians 2:14
2) No
Miia,
Hi Miia,
Funny how when you disagree with something, you
all of sudden know more than ALL the translators.(1)Ed infers he puts his trust in the translators but it is probably not misplaced this time as Koine Greek has a fair share of implied words.
(2)You are correct that those implied words are one place biases can creep in and therefore it is perhaps wiser for the translator to leave them implied.
Hi Kerwin,
1) False
2) My comment DOES instead apply to point #2.
I have seen both her and others post a list of different bible translations here.Ed,
No, it not a false statement to claim your words hint that you put your trust in translators since your claim relied on them being trustworthy. If they are trustworthy then miia’s claim requires being addressed with other words that support there choice to include words that are not written in the original language.
In my experience they are trustworthy as long as their bias or lack of knowledge does not lead them astray and even in many of those cases their language can be interpreted to be true whatever their intent.
Ed,
I use different versions because of several reasons including the fact that most translations are of inconsistent quality. There are certainly other reason such as the religious bias of the translators.
I often use the 19th Century standardized version of the AV of the KJV because of traditionalist. It is similar to speaking Latin to the traditional Roman Catholics or Hebrew to the traditional Jews. Never the less, it has flaws as well.
Ed,
One thing I noticed in many translations is that they do not call animal living souls despite that being the literal translation in some verses. I suppose that is because they agree with the false doctrine that animals to not have souls. Animals are soulish creatures and so have souls but they are not spiritual creatures. A teaching that is obscured by the choice of these false translators.
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