Can both Trinity & non-Trinity be correct?

[Ed J]

Hi Everyone, there are two basic ideas here.

E. What is the least of things we “CAN” agree upon, regarding each particular piece of evidence.
D. What is the most that a particular piece of evidence can exemplify. (What is it suppose to prove)

Everybody here seems to go with point lettered D,
“as if” that produces the same lofty conclusion
to the opposition., which it clearly doesn't.

So in this thread, I will be seeking small incremental agreements
based exclusively on point number 1 to each piece of evidence; OK?

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

Reason for edit: I changed the two points to letters (instead of numbers) to avoid confusion

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 16 2012,18:24)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 17 2012,01:16) Hi Pierre, We are covering new ground here, will you be so kind as to answer my three questions listed six posts up? God bless Ed J EDJ I have answered you but you did not understand it or see it, Is a paradox true ? No Is a dichotomy true ? No Is God talk to us or some of us in different ways and level,like by the spirit and action,YES

Hi Pierre, (this post also contains the current stats to my three questions)

Questions numbered 1 and 2 are:  DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE DEFINITIONS of each of these words; yes or no?

1. Paradox: A seemingly absurd or self-contradictory statement or proposition
    that when investigated or explained may prove to be well founded or true. (David: Yes)

2. Dichotomy:  Division into two usually contradictory parts or opinions. (T8: Yes)

3. Do you believe that some Scripture is written on more than one level? (Pierre: Yes) (Mike: Yes) (T8: Yes)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 17 2012,01:41)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 16 2012,18:24) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 17 2012,01:16) Hi Pierre, We are covering new ground here, will you be so kind as to answer my three questions listed six posts up? God bless Ed J EDJ I have answered you but you did not understand it or see it, Is a paradox true ? No Is a dichotomy true ? No Is God talk to us or some of us in different ways and level,like by the spirit and action,YES Hi Pierre, (this post also contains the current stats to my three questions) Questions numbered 1 and 2 are:  DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE DEFINITIONS of each of these words; yes or no? 1. Paradox:  A seemingly absurd or self-contradictory statement or proposition     that when investigated or explained may prove to be well founded or true. (David: Yes) 2. Dichotomy:  Division into two usually contradictory parts or opinions. (T8: Yes) 3. Do you believe that some Scripture is written on more than one level? (Pierre: Yes) (Mike: Yes) (T8: Yes) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ

Show me a example were paradox is true ?

[terraricca]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 17 2012,01:52)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 17 2012,01:41) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 16 2012,18:24) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 17 2012,01:16) Hi Pierre, We are covering new ground here, will you be so kind as to answer my three questions listed six posts up? God bless Ed J EDJ I have answered you but you did not understand it or see it, Is a paradox true ? No Is a dichotomy true ? No Is God talk to us or some of us in different ways and level,like by the spirit and action,YES Hi Pierre, (this post also contains the current stats to my three questions) Questions numbered 1 and 2 are:  DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE DEFINITIONS of each of these words; yes or no? 1. Paradox:  A seemingly absurd or self-contradictory statement or proposition     that when investigated or explained may prove to be well founded or true. (David: Yes) 2. Dichotomy:  Division into two usually contradictory parts or opinions. (T8: Yes) 3. Do you believe that some Scripture is written on more than one level? (Pierre: Yes) (Mike: Yes) (T8: Yes) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EDJ Show me a example were paradox is true ?

EDJ
Show me were and how a dichotomy is true,?

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 16 2012,18:52)

EDJ Show me a example were paradox is true ?

Hi Pierre, (that “IS” what this thread is about)

NOT SO FAST!   …First:  Do you understand the definitions
of each of these words. (#1 “A Paradox”  and  #2 “A Dichotomy”)

1. Paradox:  A seemingly absurd or self-contradictory statement or proposition
   that when investigated or explained may prove to be well founded or true. (David: Yes)

2. Dichotomy:  Division into two usually contradictory parts or opinions. (T8: Yes)

3. Do you believe that some Scripture is written on more than one level? (Pierre: Yes) (Mike: Yes) (T8: Yes)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Proclaimer]

What is the point of this thread?

Is it to compromise truth and say that both God is a Trinity and there is one God the Father are the same thing?

Because my view is that God's truth is greater than any man.
Thus I would tend to show more respect for truth than try and make a person happy because he doesn't believe something to be true.

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 16 2012,19:13)

1. Paradox: A seemingly absurd or self-contradictory statement or proposition that when investigated or explained may prove to be well founded or true. (David: Yes) 2. Dichotomy: Division into two usually contradictory parts or opinions. (T8: Yes) 3. Do you believe that some Scripture is written on more than one level? (Pierre: Yes) (Mike: Yes) (T8: Yes)

I honestly cannot be bothered answering this Edj.

It looks like a game to me with a trick question just waiting for an unsuspecting victim to participate.

I don't want to play games on Heaven Net.

Might play Angry Birds on my phone, but Heaven Net has a different purpose.

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 16 2012,17:35)

A triune God is not one God the Father. God the Father, God the son, God the Holy Spirit is not one God the Father. Looks like a dichotomy. For us there is one God the Father. Amazing that men will come up with anything to try and change that. I just don't understand what men gain in doing so. But it is their life and will.

Hi T8, what you are doing is this (and we all know this story)…

            F&G is a Dichotomy, BECAUSE BOTH CANNOT BE CORRECT!
 
             F. a.(nT)Non-trinitarians are right / b.(T)trinitarians are wrong

             G. a.(T)Trinitiarians are right / b.(nT)non-trinitarians are wrong.

The lie in each of these (F&G) is used by both sides in an attempt to
nullify the truth of “The Paradox” (J. which is what I will illustrate)!

Which is:
              J. (T)trinitarians are right  /  (nT)Non-trinitarians are right

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Proclaimer]

In case you want to play Edj,

I have 3 questions Edj.

1) Why do people pay to go up tall buildings, then put money in binoculars to look at things on the ground?
2) Why does The Alphabet Song and Twinkle Twinkle Little Star have the same tune?
3) Does pushing the elevator button more than once make it arrive faster?

[Proclaimer]

What I am doing Edj is saying that scripture says that there is one God the Father, and the creeds that many hold to say that there is one God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

So then I say, do you believe in a creed over scripture? And it appears that many will defend the creed, even when you point out the scripture and many others.

Simple as that.

Truth or Tradition?

And we know all about men's traditions because we are told that they nullify the power of God.
Ever wondered why denominations are powerless?
Because their very foundation is a man-made tradition. Possibly even a doctrine of demons.

Yes this is blunt, but that is how it is.

Why do we need a game to make everyone happy.
Jesus came to bring division.
He draws a line of truth.
Up to us where we want to stand.

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 16 2012,18:30)

Hi Everyone, there are two basic ideas here. E. What is the least of things we “CAN” agree upon, regarding each particular piece of evidence. D. What is the most that a particular piece of evidence can exemplify. (What is it suppose to prove) Everybody here seems to go with point lettered D, “as if” that produces the same lofty conclusion to the opposition., which it clearly doesn't. So in this thread, I will be seeking small incremental agreements based exclusively on point number 1 to each piece of evidence; OK? Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J

Hi T8,

The point of this thread is outlined in a few posts, the above quote being one of them.

I'm moving real slow, because everyone here seems to want to dig in to
both defend their views and attack the perceived opposing position.

But that is NOT how I will proceed, I'm interested in what  
the least that can be agreed upon on each piece of information.
I hope you understand this will be a new approach to an old problem.

So did you answer question #1 yet?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi T8,

                  Do you understand the definition of “a paradox” now?

1. Paradox:  A seemingly absurd or self-contradictory statement or proposition
   that when investigated or explained may prove to be well founded or true.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Ed,

I've lost interest. Let me know if you ever just want to say how they can both be right, okay?

[Ed J]

Do you believe that some Scripture is written on more than one level? (Mike: Yes) (Pierre: Yes) (T8: Yes)

Hi Mike, great, “WE” now have a starting point! (see Ephesians 2:12-22)

Luke 12:52 For from henceforth there shall be five(J.) in one house divided,
three(Trins) against two(non-Trins), and two(non-Trins) against three(Trins).

I propose that the above is the true Exegesis meaning of Luke 12:52; a “Paradox”(J.).

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            F&G is a Dichotomy, BECAUSE BOTH CANNOT BE CORRECT!
 
             F. a.(nT)Non-trinitarians are right / b.(T)trinitarians are wrong

             G. a.(T)Trinitiarians are right / b.(nT)non-trinitarians are wrong.

        The lie in each of these (F&G) is used by both sides in an attempt to
       nullify the truth of “The Paradox” (J). which is what I will be illustrating!

The Paradox is:
              J. (T)trinitarians are right  /  (nT)Non-trinitarians are right

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Reason for Edit: Fixed an error.

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
Some imagine the body of Christ includes all denominations.
Entry to the body of Christ was spoken of by Jeus in Jn3 and by Peter at Pentecost.
The narrow gate is shunned by most who put themselves in great danger by associating with the rebellious false church

[Ed J]

Hi Nick,

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time
the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
When he returns will he find faith on the earth?

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
Men want salvation but nobody wants to obey

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 18 2012,05:30)

Hi Ed, When he returns will he find faith on the earth?

HI Nick,

They were all gathered in Jerusalem like he told them to, so Id say YES!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
No just the usual remnant[rom11.5]

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