Trinity and non-Trinity

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  • #277717
     Ed J 
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    Hi Everyone,

    Trinity and non-Trinity, can both views be correct?

    Me and David have been discussing if this is possible.
    I say it is not only possible, but true as well.
    It can be compared to a “Paradox”.

    Instead of arguing past misconceptions, are both sides now
    willing to look at the evidence that I will produce concerning this?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
    Reason for edit: I added the title into the post.

    #277718
     Ed J 
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    Quote (david @ Feb. 13 2012,16:46)
    Ed, I've already looked at your evidence.  Do you have new evidence?  If you want to show me, we should move to an appropriate thread.  I actually don't want this thread to be 23 pages of numbers.

    Ed, you like math.  Is .999… Repeating equal exactly and precisely to one?


    Hi David,

    You are making more assumptions.
    1. My evidence is exclusively about numbers.
    2. You have already seen all the evidence I will produce.

    You are wrong on both assumptions.
    So I ask again, are you willing to look at
    the evidence I will produce concerning this?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

    #277955
     david 
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    Quote
    I've already looked at your evidence. Do you have new evidence?

    I think my statement indicated that I've already looked at evidence you have provided, but I ask if you have new or different evidence.

    I am not assuming I have seen all evidence on this. I'm guessing that would take a long time.

    And I don't think your evidence is all about numbers. I think it's about numbers and letters and words and playing around with them and picking and choosing the WAY you play around with them as well as the words or numbers you choose to consider.

    Ed, if you would like to show me your evidence, I suggest you make it simple and obvious.

    #278043
     Ed J 
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    Hi David,

    First let me ask, do you believe that some Scripture is written on more than one level?
    I ask this question, because I believe we should be starting from a point of agreement.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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     942767 
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    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 13 2012,17:20)
    Hi Everyone,

    Me and David have been discussing if this is possible.
    I say it is not only possible, but true as well.
    It can be compared to a “Paradox”.

    Instead of arguing past misconceptions, are both sides now
    willing to look at the evidence that I will produce concerning this?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    No, it is not possible. God does not speak out of both sides of His mouth. The “Trinity doctrine is a misunderstanding of scripture”, period.

    So, why even entertain this possibility?

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #278157
     mikeboll64 
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    Ed,

    When are you going to get around to explaining how Trinis and Non-Trinis are both right?

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     t8 
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    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 13 2012,17:20)
    Hi Everyone,

    Me and David have been discussing if this is possible.
    I say it is not only possible, but true as well.
    It can be compared to a “Paradox”.

    Instead of arguing past misconceptions, are both sides now
    willing to look at the evidence that I will produce concerning this?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Edj, God is either trinune or one.

    He is either one person (HIM) or three persons (THEM).

    I thought you being a numbers man would understand that 3 is not 1. And besides numbers we have words that say, for us there is one God the Father, while the Trinity Doctrine says, there is one God the Father, Son, AND Holy Spirit.

    Some huge differences here that cannot be reconciled.

    Either God is one or trinune. He can't be more than one of these choices.

    #278215
     t8 
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    The answer has always been simple.

    If Adam is one man, and adam is all men, then Theos is one God and theos can be all that have his nature or authority of that Theos.

    And can we not partake in divine nature just as we partook in Adam's nature.

    Confusion around Theos and Elohim is caused when you use these words to define WHO Theos or Elohim when you should be using it in a qualitative approach when applied to all else but the Father.

    #278309
     Ed J 
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    Quote (david @ Feb. 15 2012,12:25)
    A LESSON IN PARADOX

    A. Trinitiarians are right.  (And you say this is right.)
    B. Non-trinitarians are right.  (And you say this is right.)

    C. Trinitarians say non-trinitarians are wrong.  (And you say this is wrong of them to do because B.)
    D. Non-trinitiarians say trinitarians are wrong.  (And you say this is wrong of them to do because A.)

    You try to make this a paradox by saying: They are indeed right, but they are also wrong

    That is the kind of sentence that sounds like a paradox.  


    David and Everyone: Trinity and non-Trinity, can both views be correct?

    I pulled this post from another thread, because we need deeper understanding to begin this study.
    Understanding the difference between a Paradox and a Dichotomy is crucial to this study. That is why we will begin here.

                           
                                  C & D both illustrate a paradox
                                And this statement IS Paradoxical:

    “they(T&nT) are indeed right(Fa.&Ga.), but they(T&nT) are also wrong(Fb.&Gb.)”
                             (also explained by C&D pertaining to A&B)
         

                F&G is a Dichotomy, BECAUSE BOTH CANNOT BE CORRECT!
     
                 F. a.(nT)Non-trinitarians are right / b.(T)trinitarians are wrong

                 G. a.(T)Trinitiarians are right / b.(nT)non-trinitarians are wrong.

    The lie in each of these (F&G) is used by both sides in an attempt to nullify the truth of “The Paradox” of A&B!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #278323
     Ed J 
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    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 14 2012,16:46)

      First let me ask, do you believe that some Scripture is written on more than one level?

      I ask this question, because I believe we should be starting from a point of agreement.


    Hi Everyone,

    I would like to see everyone weigh in this premise.

    Do you agree with me so far? David, T8, Mike, Pierre, Jack,
    Marty, Wm, George, WJ and anyone else whose name I left out?

    +1  =  Yes
     -1  =   No

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #278325
     Ed J 
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    HI Everyone, this thread is not for those who want to remain ignorant and in division with other Christians.

             

                                         a dichotomy

                              God exists / God doesn't exist

    A Dichotomy is to two seemingly opposite ideas connected together where only one is correct.

                                          a paradox

                            Trinity is right / no trinity is right    

    A paradox is two seemingly opposite ideas connected together that are both correct.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
    Reason for Edit: Grammar

    #278510
     mikeboll64 
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    Ed, just show us how they can both be right.

    #278521
     Ed J 
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 16 2012,11:42)
    Ed, just show us how they can both be right.


    Hi Mike,

    I learned from you that I need to take baby steps.

    First, please answer these three simple questions,
    I want to precede form a position of agreement; OK?

    1. Do you understand the definition of “a paradox”?
    2. Do you understand the definition of “a dichotomy”?
    3. Do you believe that some Scripture is written on more than one level?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #278530
     mikeboll64 
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    1. No, and don't care.

    2. No, and don't care.

    3. Yes.

    #278554
     Ed J 
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 16 2012,12:34)
    1.  No


    Hi Mike,

    Paradox: A seemingly absurd or self-contradictory statement or proposition
    that when investigated or explained may prove to be well founded or true.

    This is important for you to understand,
    do you understand this definition; yes or no?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #278597
     t8 
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    A triune God is not one God the Father.
    God the Father, God the son, God the Holy Spirit is not one God the Father.
    Looks like a dichotomy.

    For us there is one God the Father.
    Amazing that men will come up with anything to try and change that.
    I just don't understand what men gain in doing so.
    But it is their life and will.

    #278601
     Ed J 
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    Hi T8,

    1) Do you understand the definition of “a paradox”?
    2) Dichotomy: division into two usually contradictory parts or opinions

    3) How about 3? Do you believe that some Scripture is written on more than one level?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #278604
     terraricca 
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    EDJ

    It seems that you do not understand the basic principal of truth,

    Like in truth their is no:ifs,no possibility,no doubts,no lie, it is so basic that it says let your yes be yes and your no be no,
    DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS ? YES OR NO.

    #278609
     Ed J 
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    Hi Pierre,

    We are covering new ground here, will you be so kind
    as to answer my three questions listed six posts up?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #278611
     terraricca 
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    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 17 2012,01:16)
    Hi Pierre,

    We are covering new ground here, will you be so kind
    as to answer my three questions listed six posts up?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ

    I have answered you but you did not understand it or see it,

    Is a paradox true ? No

    Is a dichotomy true ? No

    Is God talk to us or some of us in different ways and level,like by the spirit and action,YES

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