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942767 How do you get 3 days and 3 nights out of a Friday burrial and a Sunday Resurrection. I am not here to argue I am here to show you what the truth is. I have given you my understanding since you do not want to discusse this you belief what you want. I did my duty.
Peace and Love Mrs.Quote (942767 @ Dec. 02 2007,06:45) Hi All: My understanding is that Jesus died on the 14th of Nissan which was Friday at 3PM the preparation day for not only the weekly Sabbath and also, the 1 day of unleavened bread on the 15th Sabbath. This is why in the gospel of John the following is stated:
Quote John 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,)Jesus was raised again from the dead on Sunday morning which is First Fruits. He is our passover, unleavened bread and the First fruits of those who are raised from the dead.
I copied the following from JFB Commentary:
Quote Deuteronomy 21:22,23).
on the sabbath day, for that sabbath day was an high day–or “great” day–the first day of unleavened bread, and, as concurring with an ordinary sabbath, the most solemn season of the ecclesiastical year. Hence their peculiar jealousy lest the law should be infringed.
besought Pilate that their legs might be broken–to hasten their death, which was done in such cases with clubs.God Bless
With the understanding of the Feasts, being one who keeps them:The High Sabbath was Unleavened Bread and fell that year on a Thursday. Passover was in the middle of the week or the 4th day of the week. Passover IS preparation day for the Feast of Unleavened Bread (a high Sabbath).
Quote (Laurel @ Dec. 02 2007,09:42) Quote (942767 @ Dec. 02 2007,06:45) Hi All: My understanding is that Jesus died on the 14th of Nissan which was Friday at 3PM the preparation day for not only the weekly Sabbath and also, the 1 day of unleavened bread on the 15th Sabbath. This is why in the gospel of John the following is stated:
Quote John 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,)Jesus was raised again from the dead on Sunday morning which is First Fruits. He is our passover, unleavened bread and the First fruits of those who are raised from the dead.
I copied the following from JFB Commentary:
Quote Deuteronomy 21:22,23).
on the sabbath day, for that sabbath day was an high day–or “great” day–the first day of unleavened bread, and, as concurring with an ordinary sabbath, the most solemn season of the ecclesiastical year. Hence their peculiar jealousy lest the law should be infringed.
besought Pilate that their legs might be broken–to hasten their death, which was done in such cases with clubs.God Bless
With the understanding of the Feasts, being one who keeps them:The High Sabbath was Unleavened Bread and fell that year on a Thursday. Passover was in the middle of the week or the 4th day of the week. Passover IS preparation day for the Feast of Unleavened Bread (a high Sabbath).
Hi Laurel:If you can back up what you are saying with scripture, then you have my attention. Otherwise, this is your opinion.
God Bless
Quote (Laurel @ Dec. 02 2007,09:42) Quote (942767 @ Dec. 02 2007,06:45) Hi All: My understanding is that Jesus died on the 14th of Nissan which was Friday at 3PM the preparation day for not only the weekly Sabbath and also, the 1 day of unleavened bread on the 15th Sabbath. This is why in the gospel of John the following is stated:
Quote John 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,)Jesus was raised again from the dead on Sunday morning which is First Fruits. He is our passover, unleavened bread and the First fruits of those who are raised from the dead.
I copied the following from JFB Commentary:
Quote Deuteronomy 21:22,23).
on the sabbath day, for that sabbath day was an high day–or “great” day–the first day of unleavened bread, and, as concurring with an ordinary sabbath, the most solemn season of the ecclesiastical year. Hence their peculiar jealousy lest the law should be infringed.
besought Pilate that their legs might be broken–to hasten their death, which was done in such cases with clubs.God Bless
With the understanding of the Feasts, being one who keeps them:The High Sabbath was Unleavened Bread and fell that year on a Thursday. Passover was in the middle of the week or the 4th day of the week. Passover IS preparation day for the Feast of Unleavened Bread (a high Sabbath).
LaurelIt is impossible to know the exact year by the Jewish calender, all we have is scripture and scriptures say he rose on the first day.
WJ…….Were is their a scripture that say's Jesus (ROSE) on the first day of the week. Please show Us.
to all…..> The lambs were slaughtered wendsday afternoon around 3:00 PM , The passover fell on a thursday the beginning of the passover started after sunset wednsday it was a annual High Day and no servile work could be done on it, sometime called the (night to be much remembered ) it's when the death angle passed through the land of Egypt killing all the first born males, but if He saw the blood of the lamb on the door post of the houses He would passover it. The next day the Israelites were thrust out of the land of Egypt (a type of sin or leavening) The Israelites were being UNLEAVENED so to speak, and that day started after sundown thrusday, or the beginning of Friday and was also a High Day, no servile work could be done , and after Friday
evening the Regular Sabbath started. Jesus rose Saturday evening the same time He was Placed in the tomb Wednsday evening, ( three days and three nights). This is the way i have always understood it.Some people try to run the Night to be Much Remembered and the first day of unleavened bread together, but to me they are seperate events.
anyway we Know what really counts is that the blood of our Savior is on the Door Posts of Our Hearts, And if it is we also shall be passed over because God has decreed all His first Born Childern will enter into the Kingdom by their sins being passed over through the blood of Christ .
peace to all who truly love truth……….geneGB
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Yes, the walk to Emmaus was on Sunday, but it is a misunderstanding and mistranslation that Sunday was the third day since the crucifixion…The Greek word for “since” after “the third day” in Luke 24:21 actually means “away from”. Away from is the same as our “after”. Yeshua died late on a Wednesday afternoon and was laid in the grave at sundown on Wednesday as Thursday was beginning. He was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights on Wednesday night, Thursday night, and Friday night and Thursday day, Friday day, and Saturday day using our reckoning of days and nights. He rose as the Sabbath was ending. So He was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights and rose after 3 days and 3 nights while the Sabbath was ending. So He rose on the third day. Sunday is therefore the 4th day. The actual literal Greek translation of Luke 24:21 is:
You disagree with every major translation on the words “the Third day since”.
KJV Luke 24:21
But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
King James Version 1611, 1769NKJV – Luk 24:21 – “But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, today is the third day since these things happened.
New King James Version © 1982 Thomas NelsonNLT – Luk 24:21 – We had thought he was the Messiah who had come to rescue Israel. That all happened three days ago.
New Living Translation © 1996 Tyndale Charitable Trust
NIV – Luk 24:21 – but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place.
New International Version © 1973, 1978, 1984 International Bible SocietyESV – Luk 24:21 – “But we had hoped that he was the one to redeem Israel. Yes, and besides all this, it is now the third day since these things happened.
The Holy Bible, English Standard Version © 2001 Crossway BiblesNASB – Luk 24:21 – “But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, it is the third day since these things happened.
New American Standard Bible © 1995 Lockman FoundationRSV – Luk 24:21 – But we had hoped that he was the one to redeem Israel. Yes, and besides all this, it is now the third day since this happened.
Revised Standard Version © 1947, 1952.ASV – Luk 24:21 – But we hoped that it was he who should redeem Israel. Yea and besides all this, it is now the third day since these things came to pass.
American Standard Version 1901 InfoYoung – Luk 24:21 – and we were hoping that he it is who is about to redeem Israel, and also with all these things, this third day is passing to-day, since these things happened.
Robert Young Literal Translation 1862, 1887, 1898 InfoDarby – Luk 24:21 – But *we* had hoped that *he* was the one who is about to redeem Israel. But then, besides all these things, it is now, to-day, the third day since these things took place.
J.N.Darby Translation 1890 InfoWebster – Luk 24:21 – But we trusted that it had been he who would have redeemed Israel: and besides all this, to-day is the third day since these things were done.
Noah Webster Version 1833 InfoHNV – Luk 24:21 – But we were hoping that it was he who would redeem Yisra'el. Yes, and besides all this, it is now the third day since these things happened.
There is not even a “footnote to support your interpretation of the words “third day since”
The greek word for “third” is “tritos” which means; the “third” pure and simple.
Found 57 times in the NT and translated as such.
The greek word for “day” is “semeron”, which means;
1) this (very) day)
2) what has happened today, found 40 times in the NT and translated as such.
The greek word for “Since” is, “apo”, which means;
1) of separation
a) of local separation, after verbs of motion from a place i.e. of departing, of fleeing, …
b) of separation of a part from the whole
1) where of a whole some part is taken
c) of any kind of separation of one thing from another by which the union or fellowship of the two is destroyed
d) of a state of separation, that is of distance
1) physical, of distance of place
2) temporal, of distance of time
2) of origin
a) of the place whence anything is, comes, befalls, is taken
b) of origin of a cause
This definition in no way shows that they were saying “after the third day.
The definition is clearly from a particular point or origin of time.
All you have to do is read the context and it tells you from when the three days are counted from and it isnt wednsday.
Lk 24:7
Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
8 And they remembered his words,
9 And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.
10 It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other [women that were] with them, which told these things unto the apostles.
11 And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.
12 Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.
13 And, behold, two of them (which were present) went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem [about] threescore furlongs.
15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed [together] and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people
20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since (they have crucified him vrs 20) these things were done.The WWC is in error.
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So He was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights and rose after 3 days and 3 nights while the Sabbath was ending. So He rose on the third day. Sunday is therefore the 4th day.No Sunday is the eigth day, New Beginnings, feast of first fruits Etc. Remember, Yeshua is our first fruits? God finished his work and rested, but now there is the beginning of a New Creation on the eigth day. Hello?
Is it after three days or is it on the third day?
See what I mean?
GB the biggest problem the Sabbatarians have is that the “Feast of first fruits” always took place on the “1st day of the week”.
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WJ…….Were is their a scripture that say's Jesus (ROSE) on the first day of the week. Please show Us.I have shown you. Now show me where scriptures say he rose on the 7th day Sabbath.
WJ…> i have shown you clearly the whole progression of the time these things took place, it fits perfectly with the narative of the passover, When Mary came to the tomb it was sunday, because she couldn't come till the sabbath was over, but when she came before sunrise the tomb was empty. So Jesus would have had to been raised before sunday morining , and if you are going to use sunday as the day of the reserection then it would have had to been sunday afternoon around 6:00 PM, before the three days and three nights could be completed,but the narative shows He was already raised before that.
No where does any scripture say Jesus rose on a Sunday.
IMO……WJ……gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 02 2007,15:06) WJ…> i have shown you clearly the whole progression of the time these things took place, it fits perfectly with the narative of the passover, When Mary came to the tomb it was sunday, because she couldn't come till the sabbath was over, but when she came before sunrise the tomb was empty. So Jesus would have had to been raised before sunday morining , and if you are going to use sunday as the day of the reserection then it would have had to been sunday afternoon around 6:00 PM, before the three days and three nights could be completed,but the narative shows He was already raised before that. No where does any scripture say Jesus rose on a Sunday.
IMO……WJ……gene
GBThen you have a contradiction in Lukes account. Yeshua also had to fulfill the feast of firstfruits which was always on the first day of the week.
Blessings
W.J. You not only have a contradiction in Luke, but the same is in Math.. and Mark. But in order to get to the 3 days and 3 nights we have to go to Leviticus were it originated. That's the prove.
Peace and Love Mrs.
94 Bishop this is for you,
PASSOVER
Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Lev 23:7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.(Abib 11)
Mat 26:17 Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?
MISTRANSLATION for if it were the first day os Unleavened bread, the lamb would have already been sacrificed! This must be the first day of the week before Passover 14th, and Unleavened Bread The 15th.Mat 26:19 And the disciples did as Jesus had appointed them; and they made ready the passover.
(This verse does not say they slew a lamb.)(Abib 12) We know it's the 12th here it says two days till Passover the 14th.
Mat 26:2 Ye know that after two days is the Passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.
Mat 26:3 Then assembled together the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people, unto the palace of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas,
Mat 26:4 And consulted that they might take Y'shua deceitfully, and kill him.
Mat 26:5 But they said, Not on the feast of Unleavened Bread, lest there be an uproar among the people.
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Mar 14:1 After two days was (is) the Passover, and of unleavened bread: and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take Him by craft, and put him to death.
(Here we see the translator calling Passover the same day as Unleavened Bread. We know that it means Passover and that Passover is not a Sabbath. The feast is Unleavened Bread follows Passover according to Lev. Chapter 23. The Passover is eaten the evening of the 14th which is the beginning of the 15th (at dark), so the lamb and unleavened bread are eaten together as in Exo. 12:8 below.)Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is YHWH's Passover.
Exo 12:6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread unto YHWH: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Lev 23:7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. (The first day of Unleavened Bread is a Sabbath rest.)
Exo 12:8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.Deu 16:6 But at the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name in, there you shall sacrifice the Passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season that you came forth out of Egypt
(Deut 16:6 is similar to the first commandment below)Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love YHWH thy Elohim with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Deu 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
Deu 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
Deu 6:8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
Deu 6:9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
Deu 6:10 And it shall be, when YHWH thy Elohim shall have brought thee into the land which he sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give thee great and goodly cities, which thou buildedst not,
Deu 6:11 And houses full of all good things, which thou filledst not, and wells digged, which thou diggedst not, vineyards and olive trees, which thou plantedst not; when thou shalt have eaten and be full;
Deu 6:12 Then beware lest thou forget YHWH, which brought thee forth out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
(So part of the first commandment is to keep the Passover)(Evening after daylight of the 13 th of Abib, Beginning of Passover is at dark.)
Joh 13:1 Now before the feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.
Joh 13:2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;
Joh 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
Joh 13:4 He rose from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.
Joh 13:5 After that he poured water into a basin, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.(The gospel of John accurately teaches according to Scripture.)
Joh 13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.
Joh 13:28 Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him.
Joh 13:29 For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.
Joh 13:30 He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night. (Now the beginning of Passover)
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Luk 22:13 And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the Passover.
Luk 22:14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.
Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer:
Luk 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
Luk 22:17 And He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
Luk 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
Luk 22:19 And He took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is My body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of Me.
Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is shed for you.
Luk 22:21 But, behold, the hand of him that betrays me is with me on the table.(Y'shua did not partake of this meal. It represented Himself. He said do this and remember Me. If this was the actual Passover, and He did not eat, then He would be going against the Torah!)
(We see in 13:29 that the disciples thought because Judas had the bag of money that Y'shua was sending him out to buy something needed for the feast of Unleavene Bread.)
(It was dark. If it was dark then it could not possibly be dark of the Passover and the beginning of Unleavened Bread, since it is unlawful to buy or sell on a Sabbath. Unleavened Bread is a Sabbath, and the days begin at sunset.)
Joh 13:19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it comes to pass, you may believe that I am. (He is saying to them He is the Passover)
(John 14, 15, and 16 is Y'shua last teaching to His disciples at the last supper.)
(John 17 Y'shua prays to His Father on our behalf, in humility and thanksgiving.)
Joh 18:1 When Jesus had spoken these words, he went forth with his disciples over the brook Cedron, where was a garden, into the which he entered, and his disciples.
Joh 18:2 And Judas also, which betrayed him, knew the place: for Y'shua often stayed there with His disciples.
Joh 18:3 Judas then, having welcomed a band of men
and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, came there with lanterns and torches and weapons.(Still dark before the daylight of Passover, they came with torches and lanterns.)
(Now daylight of the 14th,, Passover Day and preparation day for Un. Bread)
Joh 18:28 Then led they Y'shua from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the Passover.***
Joh 19:11 Y'shua answered, Thou could have no power against me, except it was given to you from above: therefore he who delivered me unto you has the greater sin.
(Y'shua speaks to Pilate on Passover Day which is preparation day)
Joh 19:13 When Pilate therefore heard His saying, he brought Y'shua forward, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha.
Joh 19:14 And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!Joh 19:17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:
(From Abib 10 through the 14th he was inspected for a blemish, like the paschal lamb.)Joh 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
Joh 19:35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
Joh 19:36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
Joh 19:37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
Joh 19:42 There laid they Y'shua therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.
Luk 23:53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.(Abib 15 First day of Unleavened Bread A High Sabbath)
Mat 27:62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
Mat 27:63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
Mat 27:64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.
Mat 27:65 Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch: go your way, make it as sure as ye can.
Mat 27:66 So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and setting a watch.(Abib 16 day after Unleavened Bread)
Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.Mar 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
(Abib 18 1st day of the week and First Fruits)
Luk 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.Mar 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Luk 24:2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
Joh 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
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2Ti 2:6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.Deu 26:8 And YHWH brought us forth out of Egypt with a mighty hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with great terribleness, and with signs, and with wonders:
Deu 26:9 And he hath brought us into this place, and hath given us this land, even a land that floweth with milk and honey.
Deu 26:10 And now, behold, I have brought the firstfruits of the land, which you, O YHWH have given me. And you shall set it before YHWH thy Elohim, and worship before YHWH thy Elohim:1Co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Lev 23:10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
Lev 23:11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it. (Always on the 1st day of the week after the weekly Sabbath AFTER the High Sabbath of Unleavened Bread)Joh 20:15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
Joh 20:16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
(Y'shua says don't touch me, I haven't yet ascended to My Father)Luk 24:33 And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,
Luk 24:34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
Luk 24:35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
(Later on the 1st Day of the week, First Fruits, He says, “Handle Me… ;because He had by this time been presented to His Father as the First Fruits!)Luk 24:18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
Luk 24:19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
Luk 24:20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
Luk 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
(Here it is explained that it had been three as since the guards were placed to hold watch. See the verses in Matt. On Abib 15)Love in Messiah Y'shua,
LaurelGees Jesus said it and I believe it.
If Jesus was the Messiah who was to come then He was in the tomb Three (3) days and three (3) nights AS HE SAID HE WOULD BE.
If not then one should follow the New gospel and believe Jesus is a prophet who came to unite Israel for the coming “real” Messiah.
Three days and three nights is 72 hours and nothing less. The controversy lies with what the RCC has tried to prove to keep their Sabbath in place. SURELY if you show that the first day Sabbath is NOT scriptural and a Lie, then the Roman Universal Church HAS TO BE OF SATAN And the harlot.
True OR False?
WJ,
I keep the Sabbaths, and there is no problem with First Fruits being on the first day of the week. It always is no matter what year, as well as Shavout or Pentecost which starts the “Counting of the Omer” on the same weekly Sabbath for the First Fruits.This is more proof that YHWH wants all His people to worship Him, He even gives the Sunday worshippers a chance. Do they worship Him on those days and keep them? NO. They are obvilious to the Feasts and just go to church on Sunday like it was any other day right? Maybe I'm wrong, but do you keep First Fruits and Pentecost?
Looking into the Gospel of John and am beginning to think that it does not belong in the bible as the inspired word of God. Doing some internet searching and it seems there are other non trinitarians who believe so as well.
Any thoughts??
Jodi I did hear somebody say that before, but because He was the Brother of Jesus the Catholic Church left the Book in. How much truth is to that I would not know, and how could anybody prove that.
Peace and Love Irene Hi Laurel:
We are in agreement that Jesus was crucified on the 14 of Abib. However, I disagree with you on some of your interpretations which I will discuss with you, and you have not given me a scripture which shows that Jesus was resurrected on the Sabbath day. Actually, if you want to show your position relative the Sabbath, and I believe that we all here know by now that Saturday was the day that the Jews kept the Sabbath, Jesus rested in the grave both as unleavened bread on that Sabbath and on the weekly Sabbath. The Sabbath is a day of rest. He is the firstruits of those who are raised from the dead, therefore, he was raised from the dead on Sunday.
Jesus states: Matt. 26:1 And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples, 2 Ye know that after two days is the FEAST OF THE PASSOVER, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.
Therefore, by the following scripture is meant the passover when the lambs are to be killed:
Quote Matt.26:17 Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread(feast of passover) the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover? 18 And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples And so Jesus, ate with his disciples that evening which was the start of the 14th after 6PM and he prayed in the garden of Gethsemane and he sumbitted himself to God our Father even in the suffering he was about to endure in our behalf, and he was betrayed by Judas and delivered into the hands of the Chief Priests and Pharisees.
On the Morning of the 14th, He was delivered to the Judgment Hall and Pilate on that morning:
Quote John 18:28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover. 29 Pilate then went out unto them, and said, What accusation bring ye against this man? 30 They answered and said unto him, If he were not a malefactor, we would not have delivered him up unto thee. 31 Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death: The following verse of the forging scripture testifies that the passover lamb had not yet been killed, and that the meal that Jesus ate with his disciples was not then the passover lamb.
Quote they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover And this makes all the gospels, the synoptics and the gospel of John, to be in agreement that this was the 14th, and Jesus died at 3PM on this day.
And we know that it was the preparation day(to prepare to observe the Sabbath) and my understanding is that the Sabbath for the the first day of unleavened bread and that the weekly Sabbath fell on the the same day. And you are saying that there was a preparation day for the Sabbath of unleavened bread and one for the weekly Sabbath.
This is where we disagree:
You say:
Quote (Abib 16 day after Unleavened Bread)
Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.You say this the 16th but you are taking this verse out of context. Let's look at it in context and see what it says:
Quote Luke 23:50 And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counsellor; and he was a good man, and a just: 51 (The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them;) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God. 52 This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. 53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. 54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on. 55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid. 56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment. This was still on the 14th when they put Jesus in the Sepulchre, and
Quote Luke 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid. 56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment They went home and prepared spices, and rested on the Sabbath day the 15th, and then after the Sabbath was past on 1st day of the week Sunday when they came to anoint the body with the spices, they found that he had risen.
Quote Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. 2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. 3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments: 5 And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living F53 among the dead? 6 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee You make a statement to the following scripture which I understand differently:
Quote Luk 24:18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
Luk 24:19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
Luk 24:20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
Luk 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
(Here it is explained that it had been three as since the guards were placed to hold watch. See the verses in Matt. On Abib 15)He was saying three days since they c
rucified him not since since the guards placed a watch on the tomb.God Bless
Quote (Jodi @ Dec. 03 2007,07:14) Looking into the Gospel of John and am beginning to think that it does not belong in the bible as the inspired word of God. Doing some internet searching and it seems there are other non trinitarians who believe so as well. Any thoughts??
As for me, there is no doubt that the gospel of John is the inspired Word of God.God Bless
Hi Laurel:
Just noticed verse seven in the following scripture:
Quote 1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. 2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. 3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments: 5 And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living F53 among the dead? 6 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee, 7 SAYING, THE SON OF MAN MUST BE DELIVERED INTO THE HANDS OF SINFUL MEN, AND BE CRUCIFIED, AND THE THIRD DAY RISE AGAIN. God Bless
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Are you saying that the Lambs are killed at twilight between the 13th and the 14th?
Given these following scriptures, wouldn't that be incorrect.
Exodus 12:6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast.
If the end of the 13th beginning of the 14th is when the lambs are killed and that is the beginning of eating unleavened bread, then wouldn't that make the DAY of the 14th the First DAY of Unleavened Bread?
The bible is clear however saying that the first DAY of Unleavened Bread is the 15th.
Lev 23:6 On the fifteenth day of that month the Lord's Feast of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast.
Num 28:17 On the fifteenth day of this month there is to be a festival; for seven days eat bread made without yeast. 18 On the first day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.
The fact that we are told the first DAY of Unleavened Bread is on the 15th CLARIFIES that the lamb is killed at the end of the 14th and not at the beginning.
Quote (Laurel @ Dec. 03 2007,06:48) WJ,
I keep the Sabbaths, and there is no problem with First Fruits being on the first day of the week. It always is no matter what year, as well as Shavout or Pentecost which starts the “Counting of the Omer” on the same weekly Sabbath for the First Fruits.This is more proof that YHWH wants all His people to worship Him, He even gives the Sunday worshippers a chance. Do they worship Him on those days and keep them? NO. They are obvilious to the Feasts and just go to church on Sunday like it was any other day right? Maybe I'm wrong, but do you keep First Fruits and Pentecost?
LaurelWhen I believed on and accepted Yeshua as my Saviour, he became my “Passover” through his shed blood and broken body he paid the price for me and the wrath of God will pass over me.
Exod 12:13 John 1:29When the “Word” of Yeshua came into my heart and convicted me of sin, and I repented, then he “removed my sin”. Yeshua became my “Unleavened” bread of life, and I celebrate that feast in the “Unleavened bread” of sincerity and “Truth”. Yeshua is the Bread and he is the Truth.
Exod 12:15 1 Cor 5:7-8When I was “Baptised” in the Holy Spirit and fire through his ressurection, according to Acts 2, Yeshua became my “Penticost”, and the first fruit of a new life in him, and my heart was circumsised because of the Holy Spirit and I started a “New Beginning”, a New life in him.
Lev 23:16-17 Acts 2:1-4Each and every day I praise him and worship him offering up the “Sacrifice of Praise”, since I am a Priest in my body whcih is the temple of the Holy Spirit celebrating the feast through forgiveness of sins, and the partaking of the unleavened Bread “His Word”, his life, and being filled with the Spirit and so fulfilling the law. Against such there is no law.
Why would anyone want to add to what Christ has now fulfilled and given to those who believe and are saved?
Why would I want to go back and rebuild that which Yeshua has already finished?
Gal 2:18
For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.By the way if you keep the feast litterally do you keep it to the letter according to the Torah, or do you add to it or take away from it?
The Feast of First Fruits
Selah » Holidays and Holy DaysThe LORD said to Moses, “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'When you enter the land I am going to give you and you reap its harvest, bring to the priest a sheaf of the first grain you harvest. He is to wave the sheaf before the LORD so it will be accepted on your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath. On the day you wave the sheaf, you must sacrifice as a burnt offering to the LORD a lamb a year old without defect, together with its grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil-an offering made to the LORD by fire, a pleasing aroma-and its drink offering of a quarter of a hin of wine. You must not eat any bread, or roasted or new grain, until the very day you bring this offering to your God. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live. (Lev. 23:9-14)
James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
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