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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,18:01) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,09:10) Ed Why do you persist that it is the Holy Spirits blood and not Jesus “OWN BLOOD” that redeemed us?
Your logic fails because if we have Adams blood and that makes us human, then if Jesus blood is the Blood of God then that makes him God.
WJ
Hi WJ,Is your blood your blood? Yet your blood came down to you from Adam.
Jesus blood did NOT come from Adam!
So yes, you could say: Jesus was born 1/2 God(HolySpirit).
But Jesus also received the (Holy)Spirit beyond measure,
which he received at His baptism by John(the baptizer).Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,18:01) [Acts:10:38: How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the HolySpirit and with power: who went about doing good,
and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God(HolySpirit) was with him(Jesus).God Bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDYes my blood is my blood!
If I shed my blood on a cross then it is my blood and life that is shed, not my Fathers or Adams!
However it can be said that a humans blood has been shed!
The first Adam is the source of humanity and passed humanity down through his blood!
Jesus is the second adam and the source of the New Creation man and passes the New creation man down through his blood, (Spirit)!
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,18:01) [Acts:10:38: How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the HolySpirit and with power: who went about doing good,
and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God(HolySpirit) was with him(Jesus).
You see how you split this verse up.God anointed Jesus with the Holy Spirit…
But you say that God is the Holy Spirit that God anointed Jesus with?
1Tm:6:20: O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,
Your trinity god is not in the bible.
Are you fit to judge those who do believe in the God of the bible?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2010,19:33) Hi WJ,
Your trinity god is not in the bible.
Are you fit to judge those who do believe in the God of the bible?
Does he Nick!Why have you not confronted his theological view that the Holy Spirit is the Father?
HMMM?
Doesn't it matter to you, or is it because as long as he is not a Trinitarian then he is okay and believes in the God of the Bible?
WJQuote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2010,20:32) Hi WJ,
Is your spirit of you?
The Spirit of God is of God.
NickEd says the Father is the Comforter that the Father and Jesus sent!
WJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2010,20:51) Hi WJ,
So why are you speaking to me about it?
You should get to know God.
NickNever mind!
You are right, I probably shouldn't speak to you at all!
WJ
Hi WJ and Nick,
You should be discussing issues concerning each other's beliefs. EDJ believes something other than either of you.
WJ, Nick cannot answer for what EDJ believes.
Attempting to group two partially diverse beliefs and then criticizing them as ONE is bad juju!
To All,
Standing inward to close to the source of the discord obscures the obvious:
Sorry Nick – not being disloyal but Satan often allows TRUTH to be exposed by his own and then stand back and watch everyone argue AGAINST it!!
Did you ever play the game “Get you to Say 'Yes'”:
Two people: One Says …Yes… the other says …No…
Keep saying it to each other in turn long enough then…
The first says …No…, Immediately the other says …yes… and the first says: “haha! Gotcha to say 'Yes'”Well, WJ is actual correct in what he says:
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Why do you persist that it is the Holy Spirits blood and not Jesus “OWN BLOOD” that redeemed us?
It WAS Jesus' blood that redeemed us.Quote
Your logic fails because if we have Adams blood and that makes us human, then if Jesus blood is the Blood of God then that makes him God.
Jesus had ADAMS blood – that makes Him Human – not God!Quote
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed “the church of God, which **HE (God, Jesus) HATH PURCHASED WITH HIS OWN BLOOD**”. Acts 20:28
This is just a Scriptural quote. “Church of God” is a translation error and should read “Church of the Lord”.
Quite obvious really – There is no such thing as the “Church of God” – It was Jesus who established the Church.
The “Church” is to Jesus what the “Temple” is to God.Quote
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: “FOR THOU (Jesus) WAST SLAIN, AND HAST REDEEMED US TO GOD BY **THY (Jesus) BLOOD**” out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; Rev 5:9
Quite obviously then, with the dilemma above resolved this quote reads right.Quote
Have you forgotten that Jesus is the “Second Adam”? He is the source of the New Covenant or New Creation. It is his Blood of the NT that gives us life! Just as Adam was the source of the human race through his blood!
Correct…Quote
The Holy Spirit (which you say is the Father) did not shed his blood on the cross did he?
correct…Quote
Yet you accuse me of traditions of men!
No comment – (Note: 'No Comment' does not say 'I agree'/'I accept the statement' nor 'I disagree'/'I don't accept the statement'. re: “My Lord and My God!”)Quote
He JESUS is the Word (John 1:1), the Bread of life that came down from heaven (John 6) and if any man eat of his flesh (The Word) and drink of his blood (His Spirit) he will have “Eternal life” and it is from him and the Father that the Holy Spirit proceeds! Rev 22:1
Correct again… Jesus asks for, and is given, the Holy Spirit FROM the Father.
(Pause…: “Why did Jesus have to ASK the Father for the Holy Spirit? Because it is HIS! – Resume…:)Quote
WJGuys, watch out for verbal booby traps while you discuss ardently!
By the way, WJ, you sound like a non-trinitarian in your post – Please be more careful!
Just Askin! The Church is the Church of God. The reason I say that because Jesus is called God by His own Father in
Hebrew 1:8-9 and John 1:1, and Rev. 19:13 says this
He was clothed with a Robe dipped in blood, and His name is called the Word of God.
Seeing God as a Family name and title makes it easy to understand that even Jesus is called God that our Heavenly Father is above all and the Almighty God and not a trinity, like some will think and say.
That is why I believe the Church is called the Church of God.
Blessings Peace and Love IreneWJ…………If I gave myself completely to GOD the FATHER , and He told me to go and die for HIM as a sacrifice for the sins of the world and i did it. Then whose blood was it to give just mine, no because i gave it to GOD ?. GOD could also say my blood was HIS Blood because he had (POWER) over it. In this sense it is written that God gave His blood. Not in the sense the Jesus was a GOD. You TRINITARIANS never cease to twist simple meanings of scriptures up. JESUS said (PLAINLY) in prayer….”FOR THOU ARE THE (ONLY) TRUE GOD”.
Why can't you try to work your beliefs in alinement's with what Jesus said. Jesus said i am going to my GOD and your GOD, My FATHER and Your FATHER. Why try to separate His likeness to, WJ Jesus was a Man and not a GOD when he was here, and is no GOD even now. To worship him as a GOD is IDOLATRY. IMO
peace and love……………….gene
Quote (Gene @ Jan. 27 2010,09:12) WJ…………If I gave myself completely to GOD the FATHER , and He told me to go and die for HIM as a sacrifice for the sins of the world and i did it. Then whose blood was it to give just mine, no because i gave it to GOD ?. GOD could also say my blood was HIS Blood because he had (POWER) over it. In this sense it is written that God gave His blood. Not in the sense the Jesus was a GOD. You TRINITARIANS never cease to twist simple meanings of scriptures up. JESUS said (PLAINLY) in prayer….”FOR THOU ARE THE (ONLY) TRUE GOD”. Why can't you try to work your beliefs in alinement's with what Jesus said. Jesus said i am going to my GOD and your GOD, My FATHER and Your FATHER. Why try to separate His likeness to, WJ Jesus was a Man and not a GOD when he was here, and is no GOD even now. To worship him as a GOD is IDOLATRY. IMO
peace and love……………….gene
GeneThe Father did not shed his blood and life on the cross!
Jesus did!
Its real obvious who is dancing around the truth of the scripture!
It was Jesus that suffered and died and not the Father!
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: “FOR THOU (Jesus) WAST SLAIN, AND HAST REDEEMED US TO GOD BY **THY (Jesus) BLOOD**” out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; Rev 5:9
WJ
Gene said to WJ:
Quote WJ…………If I gave myself completely to GOD the FATHER , and He told me to go and die for HIM as a sacrifice for the sins of the world and i did it. Then whose blood was it to give just mine, no because i gave it to GOD ?. Gene,
Sheer nonsense! Acts 20:28 conclusively infers that God became incarnate. Again, your explanation is sheer nonsense!
WJ has already countered with Revelation 5:9 which says that it is Jesus' own blood that was shed.
Here is some more evidence against you:
53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed John 6:53-55
and,
For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Matthew 26:28
Acts 20:28 is CLEAR dude! Jesus was God incarnate.
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 27 2010,12:55) Gene said to WJ: Quote WJ…………If I gave myself completely to GOD the FATHER , and He told me to go and die for HIM as a sacrifice for the sins of the world and i did it. Then whose blood was it to give just mine, no because i gave it to GOD ?. Gene,
Sheer nonsense! Acts 20:28 conclusively infers that God became incarnate. Again, your explanation is sheer nonsense!
WJ has already countered with Revelation 5:9 which says that it is Jesus' own blood that was shed.
Here is some more evidence against you:
53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed John 6:53-55
and,
For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Matthew 26:28
Acts 20:28 is CLEAR dude! Jesus was God incarnate.
thinker
JackTrue, and never once did Jesus or the Apostles say that his blood was the Fathers blood!
Blessings WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 28 2010,05:26) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 27 2010,12:55) Gene said to WJ: Quote WJ…………If I gave myself completely to GOD the FATHER , and He told me to go and die for HIM as a sacrifice for the sins of the world and i did it. Then whose blood was it to give just mine, no because i gave it to GOD ?. Gene,
Sheer nonsense! Acts 20:28 conclusively infers that God became incarnate. Again, your explanation is sheer nonsense!
WJ has already countered with Revelation 5:9 which says that it is Jesus' own blood that was shed.
Here is some more evidence against you:
53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed John 6:53-55
and,
For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Matthew 26:28
Acts 20:28 is CLEAR dude! Jesus was God incarnate.
thinker
JackTrue, and never once did Jesus or the Apostles say that his blood was the Fathers blood!
Blessings WJ
Keith,Gene is unreal man!
Jack
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 28 2010,05:32) Hi TT,
Certainly.
God was IN CHRIST.[2cor5]
But Christ was not the God that was in him.
The sun is IN the beams so what's your point? And what is the one without the other? The sun is IN the rays and the rays are IN the sun.Jesus said that He was IN the Father. The Father IN the Son and the Son IN the Father. What is the one without the other Nick?
He [Jesus] became the SOURCE of eternal salvation to all who obey HIM. Hebrews 5:9
and,
He HIMSELF is the propitiation for our sins…. 1 John 2:2
You really love commenting on the scriptures out of context don't you Nick?
thinker
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