The Trinity Doctrine

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,05:37)

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 26 2010,12:22) Thinker………If you (totally) gave yourself to me and i told to go and offer your life for the sins of the world and you did it, I could also say it was my blood, because you (totally) gave yourself to me , therefore you blood is on me hands. IN THIS SENSE Jesus' blood was GOD'S  Blood.  Jesus was GOD'S LAMB which GOD Offered UP for the sins of the (WHOLE WORLD) GET IT?  JESUS was GOD'S Blood SACRIFICE. DUMP THE IDOLATROUS DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY. We are offering you save for you eyes but you are refusing to take and apply it. Thinker treat the Trinity teachings as garbage because that is exactly what it is, come out of it while there is …TIME  MAN. Gene The problem that you have with your analogy is that it was Jesus “Own Blood” that saves us! Do you deny this? So if his Blood is the Blood of God then that simply means he is God! WJ

Hi WJ,

1Tm:6:20: O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust,
avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

Science suggests blood in the fetus comes from the father,
that would explain this this next verse…

Acts:17:26: And hath made of one blood all nations of men (all dependents of Adam) for to dwell on all the face of the earth,
    and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

Blood in the fetus coming from the father would also explain “Jesus”=74 “God Bood”=74 running through Jesus veins;
   which Jesus received from His Father “HolySpirit”. (Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35)

And these FACTS also explain why Jesus shedding his blood is capable of removing sin!

Acts:20:28: Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock,
over the which the HolySpirit hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God,
which he(HolySpirit) hath purchased with his own (God)blood!

It's about time the many 'false doctrines' cease!

Only “Truth” will do!
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (JustAskin @ Jan. 26 2010,14:14)

WJ, Not pressing you or ought, but you did promise me a response to my question. I really don't think it is that hard to answer. Can I impress on you some urgency before the subject is dropped. If it is then it won't look good on you (is what I mean).

JA

You are so illusive sometimes its hard to tell what question you are refering to.

Please tell me what question I have not answered. This is the post that you originally wanted an answer to!

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,14:20)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,05:37) Quote (Gene @ Jan. 26 2010,12:22) Thinker………If you (totally) gave yourself to me and i told to go and offer your life for the sins of the world and you did it, I could also say it was my blood, because you (totally) gave yourself to me , therefore you blood is on me hands. IN THIS SENSE Jesus' blood was GOD'S  Blood.  Jesus was GOD'S LAMB which GOD Offered UP for the sins of the (WHOLE WORLD) GET IT?  JESUS was GOD'S Blood SACRIFICE. DUMP THE IDOLATROUS DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY. We are offering you save for you eyes but you are refusing to take and apply it. Thinker treat the Trinity teachings as garbage because that is exactly what it is, come out of it while there is …TIME  MAN. Gene The problem that you have with your analogy is that it was Jesus “Own Blood” that saves us! Do you deny this? So if his Blood is the Blood of God then that simply means he is God! WJ Hi WJ, 1Tm:6:20: O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Science suggests blood in the fetus comes from the father, that would explain this this next verse… Acts:17:26: And hath made of one blood all nations of men (all dependents of Adam) for to dwell on all the face of the earth,     and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; Blood in the fetus coming from the father would also explain “Jesus”=74 “God Bood”=74 running through Jesus veins;    which Jesus received from His Father “HolySpirit”. (Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35) And these FACTS also explain why Jesus shedding his blood is capable of removing sin! Acts:20:28: Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the HolySpirit hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he(HolySpirit) hath purchased with his own (God)blood! It's about time the many 'false doctrines' cease! Only “Truth” will do! Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

ED

Sorry I don't buy your explanation that the Spirit is the Father!

Jesus “Own Blood” is what saves us! There is nothing false or manmade about that!

WJ

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,06:25)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,14:20) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,05:37) Quote (Gene @ Jan. 26 2010,12:22) Thinker………If you (totally) gave yourself to me and i told to go and offer your life for the sins of the world and you did it, I could also say it was my blood, because you (totally) gave yourself to me , therefore you blood is on me hands. IN THIS SENSE Jesus' blood was GOD'S  Blood.  Jesus was GOD'S LAMB which GOD Offered UP for the sins of the (WHOLE WORLD) GET IT?  JESUS was GOD'S Blood SACRIFICE. DUMP THE IDOLATROUS DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY. We are offering you save for you eyes but you are refusing to take and apply it. Thinker treat the Trinity teachings as garbage because that is exactly what it is, come out of it while there is …TIME  MAN. Gene The problem that you have with your analogy is that it was Jesus “Own Blood” that saves us! Do you deny this? So if his Blood is the Blood of God then that simply means he is God! WJ Hi WJ, 1Tm:6:20: O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Science suggests blood in the fetus comes from the father, that would explain this this next verse… Acts:17:26: And hath made of one blood all nations of men (all dependents of Adam) for to dwell on all the face of the earth,     and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; Blood in the fetus coming from the father would also explain “Jesus”=74 “God Bood”=74 running through Jesus veins;    which Jesus received from His Father “HolySpirit”. (Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35) And these FACTS also explain why Jesus shedding his blood is capable of removing sin! Acts:20:28: Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the HolySpirit hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he(HolySpirit) hath purchased with his own (God)blood! It's about time the many 'false doctrines' cease! Only “Truth” will do! Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org ED Sorry I don't buy your explanation that the Spirit is the Father! Jesus “Own Blood” is what saves us! There is nothing false or manmade about that! WJ

Hi WJ,

He received the Blood from his Father! Did you not read my post?

Ed J

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (JustAskin @ Jan. 26 2010,14:16)

WJ, You don't want people to think you are using TT as a spear head, do you?

If you are referring to God dying!

God is a Spirit being! Man is a Spirit being created in the image of God. Jesus Spirit which is the “Word/God that was manifest in the flesh, (John 1:1, 14) did not die no more than a mans spirit dies when he leaves his body which is the natural death. The Body without the Spirit is dead being alone!  2 Cor 5:1-8, James 2:26, 2 Peter 1:14

There is your answer, so now please show TT and myself how what we say are not true!

WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
He really died.
He gave up his spirit.[Mt27.50]
He was a man anointed by God with the Holy Spirit and you should follow him.[Acts10.38]

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,14:31)

[Hi WJ, He received the Blood from his Father! Did you not read my post? Ed J

Ed

Yes I read your post, but I don't believe it as the truth.

It was Jesus “Own Blood” and life that “He gave” for us!

It was Jesus that left his place of Glory and took on the likeness of sinfull flesh for us!

Jesus is the “Source” of our salvation!

If it was solely because of the Father then why is he the “Only one” worthy to take the book and recieve Glory and Honor…

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: “FOR THOU (Jesus) WAST SLAIN, AND HAST REDEEMED US TO GOD BY **THY (Jesus) BLOOD**” out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; Rev 5:9

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2010,14:51)

Hi WJ, He really died. He gave up his spirit.[Mt27.50] He was a man anointed by God with the Holy Spirit and you should follow him.[Acts10.38]

Nick

Was Jesus dead in the sense you are saying when he went to hades?

WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
He died like any other man.
But was yet alive in the Spirit of God like Abraham and Isaac and Jacob.

God is the God of the Living

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,06:57)

Ed If it was solely because of the Father then why is he the “Only one” worthy to take the book and recieve Glory and Honor… WJ

Hi WJ,

Because He redeemed us to God(HolySpirit) by shedding his “HolySpirit”(God)blood which he had running through his veins.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybibleciode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
The Spirit of God NEVER leaves or forsakes God's children.[Heb13]
Eternal Life is by that Spirit.

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
Those blessed with the Spirit of God are alive to God forever.
If God takes away His Spirit from His elect they are deader than dead.

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 27 2010,08:01)

Hi ED, Those blessed with the Spirit of God are alive to God forever. If God takes away His Spirit from His elect they are deader than dead.

Hi Nick,

I was referring to Jesus blood, it came from his Father(HolySpirit).

I don't see how what you are talking about applies to what I said?

Ed J

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
His blood was shed on Calvary.
The new covenant is in that blood.

Life is in the blood and now he shares the Spirit of Life given him with the elect.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,15:44)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,06:57) Ed If it was solely because of the Father then why is he the “Only one” worthy to take the book and recieve Glory and Honor… WJ Hi WJ, Because He redeemed us to God(HolySpirit) by shedding his “HolySpirit”(God)blood which he had running through his veins. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybibleciode.org

Ed

I realize you cannot see it. But the writer chose to speak of the Holy Spirit as the one who appointed the Apostles over the Church to feed the Church of God which was purchased by his (God's, Jesus) own blood.

The wording does not imply that the Holy Spirit appointed the Apostles over “HIS” Church or it would read…

Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost (Father) hath made you overseers, to feed “his church” which he the Holy Spirit hath purchased with his own blood!

Pure inference IMO!

Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed “the church of God, which **HE (God, Jesus) HATH PURCHASED WITH HIS OWN BLOOD**”. Acts 20:28

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: “FOR THOU (Jesus) WAST SLAIN, AND HAST REDEEMED US TO GOD BY **THY (Jesus) BLOOD**” out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; Rev 5:9

WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
Jesus is the Son of God.
Did you forget?

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 27 2010,08:15)

Hi ED, His blood was shed on Calvary. The new covenant is in that blood. Life is in the blood and now he shares the Spirit of Life given him with the elect.

Hi Nick,

Yes indeed!

God bless
Ed J
hhtp://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,08:20)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,15:44) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,06:57) Ed If it was solely because of the Father then why is he the “Only one” worthy to take the book and recieve Glory and Honor… WJ Hi WJ, Because He redeemed us to God(HolySpirit) by shedding his “HolySpirit”(God)blood which he had running through his veins. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybibleciode.org Ed I realize you cannot see it. But the writer chose to speak of the Holy Spirit as the one who appointed the Apostles over the Church to feed the Church of God which was purchased by his (God's, Jesus) own blood. The wording does not imply that the Holy Spirit appointed the Apostles over “HIS” Church or it would read… Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost (Father) hath made you overseers, to feed “his church” which he the Holy Spirit hath purchased with his own blood! Pure inference IMO! Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed “the church of God, which **HE (God, Jesus) HATH PURCHASED WITH HIS OWN BLOOD**”. Acts 20:28 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: “FOR THOU (Jesus) WAST SLAIN, AND HAST REDEEMED US TO GOD BY **THY (Jesus) BLOOD**” out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; Rev 5:9 WJ

Hi WJ,

Notice how you conveniently separated this related verse.

Acts:17:26: And hath made of one blood all nations of men (all dependents of Adam) for to dwell on all the face of the earth,
   and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

Jesus did NOT have ADAM BLOOD, He had “HolySpirit”blood or God Blood,
because Science suggests Blood in the fetus cones from the Father!
Why do you persist in vain babblings and oppositions of Science? Come out of Babylon!

1Tm:6:20: O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust,
avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

Ed J

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,16:51)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,08:20) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,15:44) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,06:57) Ed If it was solely because of the Father then why is he the “Only one” worthy to take the book and recieve Glory and Honor… WJ Hi WJ, Because He redeemed us to God(HolySpirit) by shedding his “HolySpirit”(God)blood which he had running through his veins. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybibleciode.org Ed I realize you cannot see it. But the writer chose to speak of the Holy Spirit as the one who appointed the Apostles over the Church to feed the Church of God which was purchased by his (God's, Jesus) own blood. The wording does not imply that the Holy Spirit appointed the Apostles over “HIS” Church or it would read… Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost (Father) hath made you overseers, to feed “his church” which he the Holy Spirit hath purchased with his own blood! Pure inference IMO! Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed “the church of God, which **HE (God, Jesus) HATH PURCHASED WITH HIS OWN BLOOD**”. Acts 20:28 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: “FOR THOU (Jesus) WAST SLAIN, AND HAST REDEEMED US TO GOD BY **THY (Jesus) BLOOD**” out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; Rev 5:9 WJ Hi WJ, Notice how you conveniently separated this related verse. Acts:17:26: And hath made of one blood all nations of men (all dependents of Adam) for to dwell on all the face of the earth,    and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; Jesus did NOT have ADAM BLOOD, He had “HolySpirit”blood or God Blood, because Science suggests Blood in the fetus cones from the Father! Why do you persist in vain babblings and oppositions of Science? Come out of Babylon! 1Tm:6:20: O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Ed J

Ed

Why do you persist that it is the Holy Spirits blood and not Jesus “OWN BLOOD” that redeemed us?  

Your logic fails because if we have Adams blood and that makes us human, then if Jesus blood is the Blood of God then that makes him God.

Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed “the church of God, which **HE (God, Jesus) HATH PURCHASED WITH HIS OWN BLOOD**”. Acts 20:28

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: “FOR THOU (Jesus) WAST SLAIN, AND HAST REDEEMED US TO GOD BY **THY (Jesus) BLOOD**” out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; Rev 5:9

Have you forgotten that Jesus is the “Second Adam”? He is the source of the New Covenant or New Creation. It is his Blood of the NT that gives us life! Just as Adam was the source of the human race through his blood!

The Holy Spirit (which you say is the Father) did not shed his blood on the cross did he?

Yet you accuse me of traditions of men!  

He JESUS is the Word (John 1:1), the Bread of life that came down from heaven (John 6) and if any man eat of his flesh (The Word) and drink of his blood (His Spirit) he will have “Eternal life” and it is from him and the Father that the Holy Spirit proceeds! Rev 22:1

WJ

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,09:10)

Ed Why do you persist that it is the Holy Spirits blood and not Jesus “OWN BLOOD” that redeemed us?   Your logic fails because if we have Adams blood and that makes us human, then if Jesus blood is the Blood of God then that makes him God. WJ

Hi WJ,

Is your blood your blood? Yet your blood came down to you from Adam.

Jesus blood did NOT come from Adam!
So yes, you could say: Jesus was born 1/2 God(HolySpirit).
But Jesus also received the (Holy)Spirit beyond measure,
which he received at His baptism by John(the baptizer).

Acts:10:38: How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the HolySpirit and with power: who went about doing good,
and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God(HolySpirit) was with him(Jesus).

God Bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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