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Do you think all men are on a path of saving themselves?
Seek ye first the kingdom and everything else will be added to you[Mt6]Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 16 2009,15:57) after reading the article on the trinity and all the scriptures stated how can anyone here still think that god,jesus and the holy ghost(spirit) are one. how? those who try to claim it so have to go beyond what the actual scriptures say and reach out within the fleshy worlds own views to come up with that opinion. non of the scriptures quoted from an trinity beleiver say it is so. none. they speculate and assume only. we need to use scriptures as our guide and to learn from , one cannot add there own perception to it, its gods words not mans and from what i see god never said his son was he himself or the hioly spirit either. also gos is love. that is taught i would have to say from all religions but i noticed a lot of mean hurtful evil things are being said by those who believe in the trinity. you have non trinity believers quoting verse after verse after verse of gods own words that they are all seperate and different and not one or the same, thats it, while trinity believers are attacking and saying ungoldly like words to others. hmm seems weird is all. why the hate or unkindness? no need for it unless you are backed in a corner and have nothing else to say or do. i have noticed that all religions except for a few believe in the trinity and yet its not anything from gods own words and those religions persecute and spew forth hate and unkindness. no need for it. if you do gods will to your best ability and believe jesus is our savior and only he can provide our way to salvation from his sacrifice and we life our life as clean and unwordly as possible and show our love we have his salvation and blessing and we will be drawn to him and want to love and talk to others about god and our savior christ and his will. but we need to keep in mind that not all religions are correct as we seen in jesus's day with the phariseas. we cannot preach and believe in non scriptual doctrines originated from man. we cannot alter gods words at all. in my opinion as long as our beliefs are what gods words state and we accept jesus and are cleansed with water(baptized) and have a relationship with god and life a clean life we will be included in gods future plans and be in his book of life traveling on that narrow road. i hope to be on it and see everyone here and never be plagued with hate and death and sickness and greed all of mans weakness. i never have really been interested in hte bible until 3 monthss ago and pray to him often and i feel compelled to seek more knowlegde and more of a relationship with him and i really feel for the first time, calm and complete and lifes burdens lifted from me. i ask for his guidence and help and i honestly feel his presence pushing me forward in that goal and i am in aww that prayer really works and he really does love everyone of us if we reach out to him. it has to be him. i hate how this world is and yurn for his intervention and be apart of it. btw who wrote those articles on the home page – i really like his writings and has great knowledge and understanding. is this a certain religion website . what religion are the people or person who wrote them. want to learn about all types of religions.
I can't imagine who could read John 21-23 and deny that the Father, the Son and mankind are one.
Jesus said, v.21) That they all may be one as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
v.22) And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
v.23) I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one, even as we are one:
Jesus is God's word made flesh. Jesus said his words were spirit and life. (John 6:63) Jesus said God is Spirit and those that worship him must worship is spirit & truth. Your words are spirit, can you separate yourself from your words?
I made Jesus lord of my life. Words like Trinity and Rapture that don't even appear in the Bible don't concern me. Yet when Jesus says he and the Father and I are one then that is what it is for me. We are one together!
Jesus taught oneness with God, not separation! I do agree that the word Trinity is not in the Bible! We'll throw it out! But the Father, son, and I are one. Bless you, TKNick, i am trying to, i have no idea what others are trying to do,you would think that they are because thats what god wants for us, to accept and live to his will and live forever under his rule. so i hope so. is there really any other reason. to only want to know or discuss or argue what you beleive, is not his intent.. the only way to gods kingdom is doing what is needed to be saved! if you don't do gods will and and accept jesus as savior you ain;t gettin to no kingdom. your Mt6 is talking about when his followers we anxious and worried about there needs he is telling them they wil lget the strength and provisions from god because they are doing his will and it pleases him and we shall be rewarded and taknig care or. it has nothing to do with salvation being given – you are not givin it so to speak you need to work on it everyday and never straying from it or you will be taking off the book of life . once saved not always saved.
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 17 2009,09:42) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 16 2009,15:57) after reading the article on the trinity and all the scriptures stated how can anyone here still think that god,jesus and the holy ghost(spirit) are one. how? those who try to claim it so have to go beyond what the actual scriptures say and reach out within the fleshy worlds own views to come up with that opinion. non of the scriptures quoted from an trinity beleiver say it is so. none. they speculate and assume only. we need to use scriptures as our guide and to learn from , one cannot add there own perception to it, its gods words not mans and from what i see god never said his son was he himself or the hioly spirit either. also gos is love. that is taught i would have to say from all religions but i noticed a lot of mean hurtful evil things are being said by those who believe in the trinity. you have non trinity believers quoting verse after verse after verse of gods own words that they are all seperate and different and not one or the same, thats it, while trinity believers are attacking and saying ungoldly like words to others. hmm seems weird is all. why the hate or unkindness? no need for it unless you are backed in a corner and have nothing else to say or do. i have noticed that all religions except for a few believe in the trinity and yet its not anything from gods own words and those religions persecute and spew forth hate and unkindness. no need for it. if you do gods will to your best ability and believe jesus is our savior and only he can provide our way to salvation from his sacrifice and we life our life as clean and unwordly as possible and show our love we have his salvation and blessing and we will be drawn to him and want to love and talk to others about god and our savior christ and his will. but we need to keep in mind that not all religions are correct as we seen in jesus's day with the phariseas. we cannot preach and believe in non scriptual doctrines originated from man. we cannot alter gods words at all. in my opinion as long as our beliefs are what gods words state and we accept jesus and are cleansed with water(baptized) and have a relationship with god and life a clean life we will be included in gods future plans and be in his book of life traveling on that narrow road. i hope to be on it and see everyone here and never be plagued with hate and death and sickness and greed all of mans weakness. i never have really been interested in hte bible until 3 monthss ago and pray to him often and i feel compelled to seek more knowlegde and more of a relationship with him and i really feel for the first time, calm and complete and lifes burdens lifted from me. i ask for his guidence and help and i honestly feel his presence pushing me forward in that goal and i am in aww that prayer really works and he really does love everyone of us if we reach out to him. it has to be him. i hate how this world is and yurn for his intervention and be apart of it. btw who wrote those articles on the home page – i really like his writings and has great knowledge and understanding. is this a certain religion website . what religion are the people or person who wrote them. want to learn about all types of religions.
I can't imagine who could read John 21-23 and deny that the Father, the Son and mankind are one.
Jesus said, v.21) That they all may be one as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
v.22) And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
v.23) I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one, even as we are one:
Jesus is God's word made flesh. Jesus said his words were spirit and life. (John 6:63) Jesus said God is Spirit and those that worship him must worship is spirit & truth. Your words are spirit, can you separate yourself from your words?
I made Jesus lord of my life. Words like Trinity and Rapture that don't even appear in the Bible don't concern me. Yet when Jesus says he and the Father and I are one then that is what it is for me. We are one together!
Jesus taught oneness with God, not separation! I do agree that the word Trinity is not in the Bible! We'll throw it out! But the Father, son, and I are one. Bless you, TK
the father the son and mankind are one. you trying to say we are god too or god is mankind?? jesus with gods spirit taught us gods words. his will. jesus taught us gods will for mankind. god had tried to convey his message prior to that and it either scared his people or they were not able to survvie in his presence. so he had his only begoten son come to earth in flesh form and teach us Gods word. that does say or support the trinity doctrine. is that what you are trying to do?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 17 2009,05:16) G,
Paul was cleansed and washed and anointed.
Yet sin continued to dwell in his mortal frame.
Earth and it's god own the flesh and death frees us.
Nick…….That is exactly what i am saying, as long as we are in these Bodies we are (NOT) completely set Free from sin , that is why we still need the blood of Christ our covering. Kerwin seems to think i am saying it OK to sin, I have never said that or implied that either, sin is sin no matter what, we are to continually try to over come any sin in our lives as lone as we are alive. But to deny it existence (IN) us is to be decieved. IMOpeace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
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who never dared to answer this nor did TT
Luke 12:9-11 (King James Version)
9But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.
10And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.
Now Jesus says here that if you Blaspheme him it shall be forgiven but if you blasheme the Holy Spirit it shall not be forgiven, therefor Jesus can not be God or part of a trinity the reason is, that blasphemy of God would mean all that is God and look:
Leviticus 24:15 (King James Version)
15 And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.
Jesus says that he can be blasphemed and it is forgiveable therefore Jesus cannot be God according to the scriptures.
I really would love for a trinitarian to respond to this
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 23 2009,11:02) Where are the trinitarians?
there not here because they got nothing to stand on just so called scriptures they take out of context and then when you can show the error in that scripture or show it doesn't remotly support there view they will go on and sa,y well thats not my best scripture i got others. they then show others just as weak as the rest they use and give the same response. why they use scriptures that do not hold truth to certainty is beyond me, makes them look foolish for denying the truth.Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 26 2009,10:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 23 2009,11:02) Where are the trinitarians?
there not here because they got nothing to stand on just so called scriptures they take out of context and then when you can show the error in that scripture or show it doesn't remotly support there view they will go on and sa,y well thats not my best scripture i got others. they then show others just as weak as the rest they use and give the same response. why they use scriptures that do not hold truth to certainty is beyond me, makes them look foolish for denying the truth.
Unfortunately Trinitarians will say exactly the same thing about us. Untill both sides agree on a fair method to interpret scripture there will be opinion against opinion. This is why I choose to judge doctrine by the fruits they produce.Quote (martian @ Nov. 27 2009,02:12) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 26 2009,10:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 23 2009,11:02) Where are the trinitarians?
there not here because they got nothing to stand on just so called scriptures they take out of context and then when you can show the error in that scripture or show it doesn't remotly support there view they will go on and sa,y well thats not my best scripture i got others. they then show others just as weak as the rest they use and give the same response. why they use scriptures that do not hold truth to certainty is beyond me, makes them look foolish for denying the truth.
Unfortunately Trinitarians will say exactly the same thing about us. Untill both sides agree on a fair method to interpret scripture there will be opinion against opinion. This is why I choose to judge doctrine by the fruits they produce.
but thats not what non trinitarians do though.. we provide scriptures that have the message shown and say that go completely against there thinking.
when jesus clearly says ove rand over god and i are not he same, that he is gods son and that the father is above him etc.. thats different though.
mans doctrines added for so long has left people comfortable and just choose not to change.
i think that if you are shown a message from gods inpired words that one showed not question or try to disprove his words.
cutting and pasting of words from one scripture and another is not proof.
you should really have to only rely on gods inpired words not a perception of what fruits are produced. the only fruits produced for the trinity doctrine is that it is not gods teaching but mans and that god says to stay away. tht is abviously not a fruit easily seen or accepted, so i will stick with what the bible says. the only things that interpretted wrong are teht false doctrines and teachings of man.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 13 2009,06:53) Quote (Gene @ Nov. 13 2009,02:00) Kerwin……….The spirit (intellect) we are given is the Spirit (intellect) to Know the Truth. It is the earnest of the spirits (intellects) of GOD. It both accuses us and defends us, it is the true guidance system from GOD. It is impossible to deceive a person who has this intellect (IN) him. His eye are opened to the truth and the truth sets him free of all the lies and deceptions of the world. This spirit also searches the deep thing of GOD and reveals them to him. IMO peace and love………………….gene
G,
The Spirit is one[1Cor12]
Nick: What about evil spirits? TKQuote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,19:53) Bumped for WJ who never dared to answer this nor did TT
Luke 12:9-11 (King James Version)
9But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.
10And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.
Now Jesus says here that if you Blaspheme him it shall be forgiven but if you blasheme the Holy Spirit it shall not be forgiven, therefor Jesus can not be God or part of a trinity the reason is, that blasphemy of God would mean all that is God and look:
Leviticus 24:15 (King James Version)
15 And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.
Jesus says that he can be blasphemed and it is forgiveable therefore Jesus cannot be God according to the scriptures.
I really would love for a trinitarian to respond to this
Where is WJ or TT or CA?They won't touch this post, why?
To All…………..Look at our two natures (to those who have Gods Seed (holy Spirit) in them), One nature is of the flesh we recieved from the seed of Adam it is earthly and has a Carnal Mind and functions in carnal ways, the other is Spirit Seed We recieve when impregnated with GOD”S HOLY SPIRIT, and it produces a Spiritual Nature from Above, while the other we recieved was from below is earthly. Now these (TWO) Natures (EXIST) In us , and they are contrary to each other, they (BOTH) influence us and at times controls us , but the Holy Nature will convict us of our errors and influence us to ask for forgiveness and strength to over come our Carnal sinful Nature “for the spirit (Both) accuses us and defends us, and as our Minds are being renewed and grows in power and strength and our bodies getting weaker we should be over coming the nature of the flesh and our sins in time by that effectual working of the Spirit or seed of GOD in us. We are being conformed or transformed to the New Nature Given us by our Heavenly Father, (HIS Nature), and our old Nature we recieved from our earthly Father Adam is dying. IMO
peace and love to you all………………………gene
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2009,04:24) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,19:53) Bumped for WJ who never dared to answer this nor did TT
Luke 12:9-11 (King James Version)
9But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.
10And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.
Now Jesus says here that if you Blaspheme him it shall be forgiven but if you blasheme the Holy Spirit it shall not be forgiven, therefor Jesus can not be God or part of a trinity the reason is, that blasphemy of God would mean all that is God and look:
Leviticus 24:15 (King James Version)
15 And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.
Jesus says that he can be blasphemed and it is forgiveable therefore Jesus cannot be God according to the scriptures.
I really would love for a trinitarian to respond to this
Where is WJ or TT or CA?They won't touch this post, why?
Still not ONE trinitarian, perhaps they need a triune of trinitarians to answer.I'm not gonna let this go because this is truth and I have noticed they have all dispersed except when convenient.
WJ, TT, any other Triune God worshipper? Helloooooo
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 30 2009,19:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2009,04:24) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,19:53) Bumped for WJ who never dared to answer this nor did TT
Luke 12:9-11 (King James Version)
9But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.
10And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.
Now Jesus says here that if you Blaspheme him it shall be forgiven but if you blasheme the Holy Spirit it shall not be forgiven, therefor Jesus can not be God or part of a trinity the reason is, that blasphemy of God would mean all that is God and look:
Leviticus 24:15 (King James Version)
15 And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.
Jesus says that he can be blasphemed and it is forgiveable therefore Jesus cannot be God according to the scriptures.
I really would love for a trinitarian to respond to this
Where is WJ or TT or CA?They won't touch this post, why?
Still not ONE trinitarian, perhaps they need a triune of trinitarians to answer.I'm not gonna let this go because this is truth and I have noticed they have all dispersed except when convenient.
WJ, TT, any other Triune God worshipper? Helloooooo
BDYou think that you have proof the Trinity is false. But you don't.
I have already told you that the only way to the Father and Jesus is the Holy Spirit. You blaspheme the Spirit, then there is no way to the Father through the Son. Quite simple!
The Father and Jesus have different roles yet the three are “One God”. The Spirit and the Bride says come, without the Spirit there is no salvation! John 3:3-6
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 01 2009,11:41) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 30 2009,19:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2009,04:24) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,19:53) Bumped for WJ who never dared to answer this nor did TT
Luke 12:9-11 (King James Version)
9But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.
10And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.
Now Jesus says here that if you Blaspheme him it shall be forgiven but if you blasheme the Holy Spirit it shall not be forgiven, therefor Jesus can not be God or part of a trinity the reason is, that blasphemy of God would mean all that is God and look:
Leviticus 24:15 (King James Version)
15 And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.
Jesus says that he can be blasphemed and it is forgiveable therefore Jesus cannot be God according to the scriptures.
I really would love for a trinitarian to respond to this
Where is WJ or TT or CA?They won't touch this post, why?
Still not ONE trinitarian, perhaps they need a triune of trinitarians to answer.I'm not gonna let this go because this is truth and I have noticed they have all dispersed except when convenient.
WJ, TT, any other Triune God worshipper? Helloooooo
BDYou think that you have proof the Trinity is false. But you don't.
I have already told you that the only way to the Father and Jesus is the Holy Spirit. You blaspheme the Spirit, then there is no way to the Father through the Son. Quite simple!
The Father and Jesus have different roles yet the three are “One God”. The Spirit and the Bride says come, without the Spirit there is no salvation! John 3:3-6
WJ
The scripture says that you CAN Blaspheme Jesus and it will be forgivenNow, the scriptures say if you Blaspheme the Holy Spirit you will not be forgiven
and another scripture says that if any man curses his God he will bear his own iniquity. i.e not be forgiven
If Jesus is God, blaphemy of him cannot be forgiven according to the scriptures.
Besides you say that God is TRIUNE so Blasphemy of any part of God would equal to blasphemy of that TRIUNE God, right?
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