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    Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 30 2009,19:46)

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 01 2009,11:41)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 30 2009,19:36)

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    who never dared to answer this nor did TT

    Luke 12:9-11 (King James Version)

    9But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.

    10And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

    Now Jesus says here that if you Blaspheme him it shall be forgiven but if you blasheme the Holy Spirit it shall not be forgiven, therefor Jesus can not be God or part of a trinity the reason is, that blasphemy of God would mean all that is God and look:

    Leviticus 24:15 (King James Version)

    15 And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.

    Jesus says that he can be blasphemed and it is forgiveable therefore Jesus cannot be God according to the scriptures.

    I really would love for a trinitarian to respond to this


    Where is WJ or TT or CA?

    They won't touch this post, why?


    Still not ONE trinitarian, perhaps they need a triune of trinitarians to answer.

    I'm not gonna let this go because this is truth and I have noticed they have all dispersed except when convenient.

    WJ, TT, any other Triune God worshipper? Helloooooo


    BD

    You think that you have proof the Trinity is false. But you don't.

    I have already told you that the only way to the Father and Jesus is the Holy Spirit. You blaspheme the Spirit, then there is no way to the Father through the Son. Quite simple!

    The Father and Jesus have different roles yet the three are “One God”. The Spirit and the Bride says come, without the Spirit there is no salvation! John 3:3-6

    WJ


    The scripture says that you CAN Blaspheme Jesus and it will be forgiven

    Now, the scriptures say if you Blaspheme the Holy Spirit you will not be forgiven

    and another scripture says that if any man curses his God he will bear his own iniquity. i.e not be forgiven

    If Jesus is God, blaphemy of him cannot be forgiven according to the scriptures.

    Besides you say that God is TRIUNE so Blasphemy of any part of God would equal to blasphemy of that TRIUNE God, right?


    I have shown you that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit have different roles, yet they are one!

    Do you believe this?

    If Jesus himself told you the truth you would not believe him!

    WJ

    #161537
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WJ,
    Jesus is not his own God.[Jn20.17]

    #161538

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 30 2009,20:44)
    Hi WJ,
    Jesus is not his own God.[Jn20.17]


    Thats like saying you are not your own human! :D

    #161539
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WJ,
    Jesus was not God .
    His Father God was in him.
    He was filled with the Spirit of God

    #161541

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 30 2009,17:47)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 30 2009,20:44)
    Hi WJ,
    Jesus is not his own God.[Jn20.17]


    Thats like saying you are not your own human!  :D


    Strawman

    #161542

    What is the unforgivable sin?

    Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit!

    A history of repeated rejection of the Holy Spirit is unforgivable when it reaches the point where the sinner is willfully deaf to 'elohim's call. (Mt 12:30-32)

    A sin willfully committed in direct defiance of 'elohim is unforgivable when it reaches the point where the sinner is an avowed and committed enemy of 'elohim. (Nu 15:27-31)

    WorshippingJesus how is bodhitharta guilty of blasphemy, or any of of us who do no not believe in multiple gods?

    You sound so catholic in your accusations.

    #161554
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 01 2009,11:48)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 30 2009,19:46)

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 01 2009,11:41)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 30 2009,19:36)

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    Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,19:53)
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    who never dared to answer this nor did TT

    Luke 12:9-11 (King James Version)

    9But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.

    10And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

    Now Jesus says here that if you Blaspheme him it shall be forgiven but if you blasheme the Holy Spirit it shall not be forgiven, therefor Jesus can not be God or part of a trinity the reason is, that blasphemy of God would mean all that is God and look:

    Leviticus 24:15 (King James Version)

    15 And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.

    Jesus says that he can be blasphemed and it is forgiveable therefore Jesus cannot be God according to the scriptures.

    I really would love for a trinitarian to respond to this


    Where is WJ or TT or CA?

    They won't touch this post, why?


    Still not ONE trinitarian, perhaps they need a triune of trinitarians to answer.

    I'm not gonna let this go because this is truth and I have noticed they have all dispersed except when convenient.

    WJ, TT, any other Triune God worshipper? Helloooooo


    BD

    You think that you have proof the Trinity is false. But you don't.

    I have already told you that the only way to the Father and Jesus is the Holy Spirit. You blaspheme the Spirit, then there is no way to the Father through the Son. Quite simple!

    The Father and Jesus have different roles yet the three are “One God”. The Spirit and the Bride says come, without the Spirit there is no salvation! John 3:3-6

    WJ


    The scripture says that you CAN Blaspheme Jesus and it will be forgiven

    Now, the scriptures say if you Blaspheme the Holy Spirit you will not be forgiven

    and another scripture says that if any man curses his God he will bear his own iniquity. i.e not be forgiven

    If Jesus is God, blaphemy of him cannot be forgiven according to the scriptures.

    Besides you say that God is TRIUNE so Blasphemy of any part of God would equal to blasphemy of that TRIUNE God, right?


    I have shown you that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit have different roles, yet they are one!

    Do you believe this?

    If Jesus himself told you the truth you would not believe him!

    WJ


    It wouldn't matter if they had different roles because here is the truth:

    And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.
    Leviticus 24:14-16

    This covers the entire trinity, right?

    But Jesus says you can Blaspheme him and be forgiven

    Wouldn't that make him not God?

    #161580

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 30 2009,22:44)

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 01 2009,11:48)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 30 2009,19:46)

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 01 2009,11:41)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 30 2009,19:36)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2009,04:24)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,19:53)
    Bumped for WJ

    who never dared to answer this nor did TT

    Luke 12:9-11 (King James Version)

    9But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.

    10And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

    Now Jesus says here that if you Blaspheme him it shall be forgiven but if you blasheme the Holy Spirit it shall not be forgiven, therefor Jesus can not be God or part of a trinity the reason is, that blasphemy of God would mean all that is God and look:

    Leviticus 24:15 (King James Version)

    15 And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.

    Jesus says that he can be blasphemed and it is forgiveable therefore Jesus cannot be God according to the scriptures.

    I really would love for a trinitarian to respond to this


    Where is WJ or TT or CA?

    They won't touch this post, why?


    Still not ONE trinitarian, perhaps they need a triune of trinitarians to answer.

    I'm not gonna let this go because this is truth and I have noticed they have all dispersed except when convenient.

    WJ, TT, any other Triune God worshipper? Helloooooo


    BD

    You think that you have proof the Trinity is false. But you don't.

    I have already told you that the only way to the Father and Jesus is the Holy Spirit. You blaspheme the Spirit, then there is no way to the Father through the Son. Quite simple!

    The Father and Jesus have different roles yet the three are “One God”. The Spirit and the Bride says come, without the Spirit there is no salvation! John 3:3-6

    WJ


    The scripture says that you CAN Blaspheme Jesus and it will be forgiven

    Now, the scriptures say if you Blaspheme the Holy Spirit you will not be forgiven

    and another scripture says that if any man curses his God he will bear his own iniquity. i.e not be forgiven

    If Jesus is God, blaphemy of him cannot be forgiven according to the scriptures.

    Besides you say that God is TRIUNE so Blasphemy of any part of God would equal to blasphemy of that TRIUNE God, right?


    I have shown you that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit have different roles, yet they are one!

    Do you believe this?

    If Jesus himself told you the truth you would not believe him!

    WJ


    It wouldn't matter if they had different roles because here is the truth:

    And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.
    Leviticus 24:14-16

    This covers the entire trinity, right?

    But Jesus says you can Blaspheme him and be forgiven

    Wouldn't that make him not God?


    BD

    Your theory is flawed and full of holes.

    Is the Holy Spirit God?

    If you say he is not then you make the Spirit greater than the Father.

    If you say the Spirit is God then you must explain how the Father sent himself and how the Holy Spirit is subject to Jesus!

    Its simple…

    And when he (the Holy Spirit) is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: John 16:8

    The Holy Spirit has the ministry of convicting the world of sin and of righteousness and of judgment and leads men to Jesus for forgiveness of sin for all judgment has been committed into his (Jesus) hands!

    For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: John 5:22

    That is the role of the Spirit and without that you cannot come to Jesus or the Father for you will be reprobate.

    Contextually they were rejecting the work of the Holy Spirit and calling them the works of satan, making it blasphemy. Men are still rejecting the Spirit but when they start calling his works satanic then they are in danger of blasphemy and may not be forgiven for they will no longer be drawn because they have been given over to reprobate minds.

    There is no going to Jesus without the Spirit and there is no going to the Father without Jesus!

    So your argument is a straw mans!

    His Spirit will not always strive with men! And I will no longer strive with you!

    But my prayer is that you through the Spirit will come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ and accept his sacrifice for you!

    WJ

    #161581

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 30 2009,22:44)

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 01 2009,11:48)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 30 2009,19:46)

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 01 2009,11:41)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 30 2009,19:36)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2009,04:24)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,19:53)
    Bumped for WJ

    who never dared to answer this nor did TT

    Luke 12:9-11 (King James Version)

    9But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.

    10And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

    Now Jesus says here that if you Blaspheme him it shall be forgiven but if you blasheme the Holy Spirit it shall not be forgiven, therefor Jesus can not be God or part of a trinity the reason is, that blasphemy of God would mean all that is God and look:

    Leviticus 24:15 (King James Version)

    15 And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.

    Jesus says that he can be blasphemed and it is forgiveable therefore Jesus cannot be God according to the scriptures.

    I really would love for a trinitarian to respond to this


    Where is WJ or TT or CA?

    They won't touch this post, why?


    Still not ONE trinitarian, perhaps they need a triune of trinitarians to answer.

    I'm not gonna let this go because this is truth and I have noticed they have all dispersed except when convenient.

    WJ, TT, any other Triune God worshipper? Helloooooo


    BD

    You think that you have proof the Trinity is false. But you don't.

    I have already told you that the only way to the Father and Jesus is the Holy Spirit. You blaspheme the Spirit, then there is no way to the Father through the Son. Quite simple!

    The Father and Jesus have different roles yet the three are “One God”. The Spirit and the Bride says come, without the Spirit there is no salvation! John 3:3-6

    WJ


    The scripture says that you CAN Blaspheme Jesus and it will be forgiven

    Now, the scriptures say if you Blaspheme the Holy Spirit you will not be forgiven

    and another scripture says that if any man curses his God he will bear his own iniquity. i.e not be forgiven

    If Jesus is God, blaphemy of him cannot be forgiven according to the scriptures.

    Besides you say that God is TRIUNE so Blasphemy of any part of God would equal to blasphemy of that TRIUNE God, right?


    I have shown you that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit have different roles, yet they are one!

    Do you believe this?

    If Jesus himself told you the truth you would not believe him!

    WJ


    It wouldn't matter if they had different roles because here is the truth:

    And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.
    Leviticus 24:14-16

    This covers the entire trinity, right?

    But Jesus says you can Blaspheme him and be forgiven

    Wouldn't that make him not God?


    BD

    The scripture you quote says nothing of Blasphemy or unforgiveness.

    But in fact says if a man curse God he will bear his sin.

    Men can be forgiven for cursing God!

    Straw man!

    WJ

    #161586
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 01 2009,17:58)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 30 2009,22:44)

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 01 2009,11:48)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 30 2009,19:46)

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 01 2009,11:41)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 30 2009,19:36)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2009,04:24)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,19:53)
    Bumped for WJ

    who never dared to answer this nor did TT

    Luke 12:9-11 (King James Version)

    9But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.

    10And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

    Now Jesus says here that if you Blaspheme him it shall be forgiven but if you blasheme the Holy Spirit it shall not be forgiven, therefor Jesus can not be God or part of a trinity the reason is, that blasphemy of God would mean all that is God and look:

    Leviticus 24:15 (King James Version)

    15 And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.

    Jesus says that he can be blasphemed and it is forgiveable therefore Jesus cannot be God according to the scriptures.

    I really would love for a trinitarian to respond to this


    Where is WJ or TT or CA?

    They won't touch this post, why?


    Still not ONE trinitarian, perhaps they need a triune of trinitarians to answer.

    I'm not gonna let this go because this is truth and I have noticed they have all dispersed except when convenient.

    WJ, TT, any other Triune God worshipper? Helloooooo


    BD

    You think that you have proof the Trinity is false. But you don't.

    I have already told you that the only way to the Father and Jesus is the Holy Spirit. You blaspheme the Spirit, then there is no way to the Father through the Son. Quite simple!

    The Father and Jesus have different roles yet the three are “One God”. The Spirit and the Bride says come, without the Spirit there is no salvation! John 3:3-6

    WJ


    The scripture says that you CAN Blaspheme Jesus and it will be forgiven

    Now, the scriptures say if you Blaspheme the Holy Spirit you will not be forgiven

    and another scripture says that if any man curses his God he will bear his own iniquity. i.e not be forgiven

    If Jesus is God, blaphemy of him cannot be forgiven according to the scriptures.

    Besides you say that God is TRIUNE so Blasphemy of any part of God would equal to blasphemy of that TRIUNE God, right?


    I have shown you that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit have different roles, yet they are one!

    Do you believe this?

    If Jesus himself told you the truth you would not believe him!

    WJ


    It wouldn't matter if they had different roles because here is the truth:

    And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.
    Leviticus 24:14-16

    This covers the entire trinity, right?

    But Jesus says you can Blaspheme him and be forgiven

    Wouldn't that make him not God?


    BD

    Your theory is flawed and full of holes.

    Is the Holy Spirit God?

    If you say he is not then you make the Spirit greater than the Father.

    If you say the Spirit is God then you must explain how the Father sent himself and how the Holy Spirit is subject to Jesus!

    Its simple…

    And when he (the Holy Spirit) is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: John 16:8

    The Holy Spirit has the ministry of convicting the world of sin and of righteousness and of judgment and leads men to Jesus for forgiveness of sin for all judgment has been committed into his (Jesus) hands!

    For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: John 5:22

    That is the role of the Spirit and without that you cannot come to Jesus or the Father for you will be reprobate.

    Contextually they were rejecting the work of the Holy Spirit and calling them the works of satan, making it blasphemy. Men are still rejecting the Spirit but when they start calling his works satanic then they are in danger of blasphemy and may not be forgiven for they will no longer be drawn because they have been given over to reprobate minds.

    There is no going to Jesus without the Spirit and there is no going to the Father without Jesus!

    So your argument is a straw mans!

    His Spirit will not always strive with men! And I will no longer strive with you!

    But my prayer is that you through the Spirit will come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ and accept his sacrifice for you!

    WJ


    WJ,

    You said that God is The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit and the three are one therefore the blasphemy of One is the blasphemy of all unless it is not a true Tri-Unity.

    No Straw man it is your belief

    If they were rejecting the work of the Holy Spirit was that not rejecting the work of God whom Jesus said was the One actually doing the work through him?

    #161689
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    WJ,

    What happened? Are you still trying to evade truth preferring the god of your ego?

    #162247
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Can a person really only blaspheme 1/3 of God?

    any honest trinitarian would drop their belief immediately on this proof

    #162290

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 04 2009,22:35)
    Can a person really only blaspheme 1/3 of God?

    any honest trinitarian would drop their belief immediately on this proof


    BD

    You are being evasive!

    Answer the questions!

    Is God seperate from his Holy Spirit?

    Is the Holy Spirit the Father?

    Does God have more than one Spirit?

    If not then the Spirit must be greater than the Father if you can't be forgiven blasphemy of the Spirit but you can of the Father?

    If you say that the Holy Spirit is the Father then you are saying the Holy Spirit is God, and if so why is the Holy Spirit subject to Jesus and how did the Father send himself?

    Answer me and stop with all of your foolish gestures!

    WJ

    #162293

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,17:22)
    WJ,

    What happened? Are you still trying to evade truth preferring the god of your ego?


    BD

    First of all, you know nothing of my God or my ego!

    When you start attacking me personally that is the very reason I want to avoid you. You show no Christian love, this is why I avoided you a long while back.

    You come here attacking believers person like you just did and think you are doing God service! Its not like you are here to learn the truth of the Christian faith, but it seems that you are only here to propagate the Koran and your religion by attacking the scriptures, the Bible and the God that believers here put their faith in!

    Of course it does not surprise me!

    WJ

    #162294

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 04 2009,22:35)
    Can a person really only blaspheme 1/3 of God?

    any honest trinitarian would drop their belief immediately on this proof


    BD

    So now you judge my honesty and sincerity. Who are you to accuse me of being dishonest in my faith?

    You have no idea why I believe what I believe!

    You are not my judge!

    Selah

    #162347
    KangarooJack
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 05 2009,14:35)
    Can a person really only blaspheme 1/3 of God?

    any honest trinitarian would drop their belief immediately on this proof


    My wife and I are one. If a man rapes my wife has he sinned against me? The answer is yes and no. He has sinned against my wife personally but against me only by association. He could not be charged with two offenses. He would be judged in a court of law only for the personal sin against my wife.

    So 1/3 of the trinity may be blasphemed personally. But the entire trinity is also sinned against though not in the same way. The Holy Spirit when blasphemed is sinned against personally. The Father and the Son are also sinned against by association. It is the personal sin against the Spirit that is unforgiveable and subject to damnation.

    Questions like this are insincere and reflect the waywardness of your heart.

    thinker

    #162353
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 06 2009,04:45)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 05 2009,14:35)
    Can a person really only blaspheme 1/3 of God?

    any honest trinitarian would drop their belief immediately on this proof


    My wife and I are one. If a man rapes my wife has he sinned against me? The answer is yes and no. He has sinned against my wife personally but against me only by association. He could not be charged with two offenses. He would be judged in a court of law only for the personal sin against my wife.

    So 1/3 of the trinity may be blasphemed personally. But the entire trinity is also sinned against though not in the same way. The Holy Spirit when blasphemed is sinned against personally. The Father and the Son are also sinned against by association. It is the personal sin against the Spirit that is unforgiveable and subject to damnation.

    Questions like this are insincere and reflect the waywardness of your heart.

    thinker


    You said the entire trinity is God so you believe that God is not ONE. You don't believe that God is triune? if so blasphemy of One is blasphemy of all but Jesus says not with him, with him it will be forgiven therefore either he is not God or God can be blasphemed.

    #162355
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 05 2009,18:40)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 04 2009,22:35)
    Can a person really only blaspheme 1/3 of God?

    any honest trinitarian would drop their belief immediately on this proof


    BD

    You are being evasive!

    Answer the questions!

    Is God seperate from his Holy Spirit?

    Is the Holy Spirit the Father?

    Does God have more than one Spirit?

    If not then the Spirit must be greater than the Father if you can't be forgiven blasphemy of the Spirit but you can of the Father?

    If you say that the Holy Spirit is the Father then you are saying the Holy Spirit is God, and if so why is the Holy Spirit subject to Jesus and how did the Father send himself?

    Answer me and stop with all of your foolish gestures!

    WJ


    And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.
    Leviticus 24:14-16

    Just so you know Blasphemy is to curse God. If you do this and you bear your sin as it says that means Jesus cannot bear the sin for you. This scripture says GOD so whatever you believe God to be cannot be blasphemed and it be forgiven but Jesus says this is not so with him, he says he CAN be blasphemed and it will or can be forgiven.

    You cannot blaspheme the Father because the Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD who was the one doing the work through Jesus. Jesus did these things through the Holy Spirit OF God.

    any honest trinitarian would immediately drom their belief with this proof.

    The fact is the scripture says

    You cannot curse/blaspheme God
    you cannot blaspheme/curse The Holy Spirit
    You can blaspheme Jesus, in-fact the scriptures say that Christ became a curse for us so to believe that Christ is God is to believe that God is cursed which is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

    So I ask you is the Holy Spirit Accursed?
    Is God accursed?

    Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
    Galatians 3:12-14

    If you say that Jesus is God and say that he is cursed you bear your own sin.

    Any sincere and honest trinitarian will drop their belief immediately upon reading this or declare that they believe that God is cursed, which will it be?

    #162387
    peace2all
    Participant

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 05 2009,18:57)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 04 2009,22:35)
    Can a person really only blaspheme 1/3 of God?

    any honest trinitarian would drop their belief immediately on this proof


    BD

    So now you judge my honesty and sincerity. Who are you to accuse me of being dishonest in my faith?

    You have no idea why I believe what I believe!

    You are not my judge!

    Selah


    the bible does not and never did teach the man doctrine of trinity.

    however jesus had pointed out sooo many times that he and his father are not one and they are not equal and that his god is our god.

    bible says that noone has ever seen god,also the bible says that in the beginnig jesus was “with god” . how can one be with someone and yet be that one also, makes no sense

    jesus also said that his father is the only true god

    the holy spirit is his force or action or will, whatever you may want to call it. he uses it to do his will. it is always been described as doing gods will.

    it has been described in the bible as to having: filled people,baptized with it , annointed with it – do you actually think it describes a person? no way.

    if one takes a certain view of it , it needs to be used the same throughout the scriptures and have a constant image of it. it being a person is not one that would or could describe it to a certain throughout the scriptures

    #162407

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 05 2009,13:19)

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 05 2009,18:40)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 04 2009,22:35)
    Can a person really only blaspheme 1/3 of God?

    any honest trinitarian would drop their belief immediately on this proof


    BD

    You are being evasive!

    Answer the questions!

    Is God seperate from his Holy Spirit?

    Is the Holy Spirit the Father?

    Does God have more than one Spirit?

    If not then the Spirit must be greater than the Father if you can't be forgiven blasphemy of the Spirit but you can of the Father?

    If you say that the Holy Spirit is the Father then you are saying the Holy Spirit is God, and if so why is the Holy Spirit subject to Jesus and how did the Father send himself?

    Answer me and stop with all of your foolish gestures!

    WJ


    And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.
    Leviticus 24:14-16

    Just so you know Blasphemy is to curse God. If you do this and you bear your sin as it says that means Jesus cannot bear the sin for you. This scripture says GOD so whatever you believe God to be cannot be blasphemed and it be forgiven but Jesus says this is not so with him, he says he CAN be blasphemed and it will or can be forgiven.

    You cannot blaspheme the Father because the Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD who was the one doing the work through Jesus. Jesus did these things through the Holy Spirit OF God.

    any honest trinitarian would immediately drom their belief with this proof.

    The fact is the scripture says

    You cannot curse/blaspheme God
    you cannot blaspheme/curse The Holy Spirit
    You can blaspheme Jesus, in-fact the scriptures say that Christ became a curse for us so to believe that Christ is God is to believe that God is cursed which is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

    So I ask you is the Holy Spirit Accursed?
    Is God accursed?

    Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
    Galatians 3:12-14

    If you say that Jesus is God and say that he is cursed you bear your own sin.

    Any sincere and honest trinitarian will drop their belief immediately upon reading this or declare that they believe that God is cursed, which will it be?


    BD

    Just as I figured. You can't or either won't answer my questions because they blow a hole in your theory!

    WJ

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