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Quote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 26 2009,09:06) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 26 2009,07:29) Hi Not3,
Who are your brothers?
All men only if humanism is your faith.
Was Peter out of line dealing with the baptised Simon Majus?
Hi Nick,Jesus said those who do the will of God are his brothers and sisters. Will YOU determine who is doing the will of God? What a task that must be, I'm certainly not up for it.
So I obey Jesus when he says that everything hangs on this: love your neighbor.
Who is my brother? I will answer this question with a question: Who is my neighbor?
Love,
Mandy
Mandy,
Are you not aware that Jesus said that the Father has comitted all Judgment to Nick so that all men may honor Nick even as they honor the Father?
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 26 2009,18:04) Quote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 26 2009,09:06) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 26 2009,07:29) Hi Not3,
Who are your brothers?
All men only if humanism is your faith.
Was Peter out of line dealing with the baptised Simon Majus?
Hi Nick,Jesus said those who do the will of God are his brothers and sisters. Will YOU determine who is doing the will of God? What a task that must be, I'm certainly not up for it.
So I obey Jesus when he says that everything hangs on this: love your neighbor.
Who is my brother? I will answer this question with a question: Who is my neighbor?
Love,
Mandy
Mandy,
Are you not aware that Jesus said that the Father has comitted all Judgment to Nick so that all men may honor Nick even as they honor the Father? thinker
Oh, geesh. You'd better be careful Thinker or you'll get another tile. Love one another now….play nice. Nick has been the source of much frustration for me, but he has also been the source of much comfort as well.
It's good to have everyone's views here, I think. Even the Princess has got me reliving moments in my HeavenNet past that I'd like to forget. I've accused her of things that I've done myself. I owe her an apology, really. But I'm dragging my feet talking to you.
Love,
MandyHey Princess…….
Um, I seem to recall a member here one time that I called an anti-Christ or some darn thing. I gave this huge “warning” to the people about him – I thought I heard from God ya know? Anway, I did the exact same thing you did to CA. I suppose that's why I called you on it. I saw in you the very thing that I didn't like in me. So I jumped all over you.
Ah – there – got – it —– the log in my eye!
Forgive me?
Love,
MandyQuote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 26 2009,18:20) Hey Princess……. Um, I seem to recall a member here one time that I called an anti-Christ or some darn thing. I gave this huge “warning” to the people about him – I thought I heard from God ya know? Anway, I did the exact same thing you did to CA. I suppose that's why I called you on it. I saw in you the very thing that I didn't like in me. So I jumped all over you.
Ah – there – got – it —– the log in my eye!
Forgive me?
Love,
Mandy
3/1Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Christ.
Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we boast in our hope of sharing God's glory.
Not only that, but we also boast in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, endurance produces character, and character produces hope.
Now this hope does not disappoint us, because God's love has been poured out into our hearts by the Spirit, who has been given to us.
romans
kol tuv mandy
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princess,
You haven't been here long enough to observe that WJ and I do not agree on everything. You don't know that we have sent each other pm's taking the other to task. Even if we did agree on everything so what?thinker
your definition of explaination is the same as your faith in the trinity. three (god) heads are better than one (God).
2Co 6:18 and I will be to you for a Father, and ye–ye shall be to Me for sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 26 2009,17:31) Hi Douglas Quote (Douglas @ Sep. 25 2009,21:56)
If we as a species had listened to that message properly, I have a feeling I wouldn't be sitting here right now watching the world change.What is more important – to proclaim that Jesus is God, and that Jesus is the key to eternal salvation – or to fight for the message about how we as people should live?
Your statement above makes no sense because you say “If we as a species had listened to that (Jesus) message properly”, and then deny that he is the key to eternal salvation is contradictory to Jesus message for he said with his own words…I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6
Jesus is the only way to life and salvation!
If you have Jesus you have the Father, God!
WJ
I think if the core message Jesus preached had been taken to heart by all those who profess belief in him, and applied to the world of today, it could be a much better world – in the here and now, the present, the real and tangible.If we can not even do that, why this fixation on eternity and salvation – e.g. access to heaven?
Even if you believe Jesus is the only way to life and salvation, if you listened to that core message – why would your personal salvation come before the state of the world of today? Do you think it necessary and right for so many people to suffer so much? Don't you think salvation and eternal life in heaven (assuming it actually exists) would be an incidental by product of listening to that main message?
Quote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 26 2009,17:45) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 26 2009,17:31) I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6
Hi bro,I’ve been pondering this very verse today in light of other conversations going on here.
I want to ask your opinion on something, what do you think Jesus meant when he said he had “other” sheep?
Thanks,
Mandy
Hi Not3,
The good shepherd finds them, much to their surprise, in Mt 25.Quote (RokkaMan @ Sep. 16 2009,09:14) Quote (eveh @ Sep. 16 2009,17:54) 1 Timothy 5.21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.
If there were a Trinity composed of three co-equal, co-eternal “persons,” why would Paul charge Timothy by the “elect angels” and leave the “Holy Spirit” out of the picture?
Sorry Eveh you took one verse and applied it to a God divinity analysis when the verse had nothing to do with the personage of God.15For some are already turned aside after Satan.
16If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.
17Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
18For the scripture saith, thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.
19Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
20Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
21I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.
22Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.
Thats the text that surround that verse.
verse 21 states, I charge you before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels…that thou observer these things without preferring one before another
What things is that verse talking about? Not God, jesus, and the elect angels…it's talking about Widows receiving blame from sinners.
So the verse basically says….
As God, Jesus, and The Elect Angels are my witness, I suggest you keep these commandments to keep yourself pure.
Has nothing to do with the persnage of God.
I am new here so hopefully I do not offend anyone here, but I believe T8 is much closer to the mark.No offense RokkaMan while you are basically correct in assuming it is within context of the subject of the widow it still deals with personage.
I am assuming the Trinitarian belief is that “Theos” is the explaination for the trinitarian view, correct? If this be true then T8 is correct.
Because the verse is stating: (1Timothy 5:21) I charge [thee] before God (Greek: Theos), and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.
Therefore: Theos (3) + Jesus (1) does = 4. There is no skirting this fact.
Now we can use comparitive verses to stress this point as well.
1Timothy 6:13 I give thee charge in the sight of God (Theos)(3), who quickeneth all things, and [before] Christ Jesus (+1)(= 4), who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
2Timothy 4:1 I charge [thee] therefore before God (Theos)(3), and the Lord Jesus Christ (+1)(= 4), who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
Now if one takes “Theos” as a title instead of a Trinity then it makes the verse appear to more logical to surrounding verses.
As I said this is just my personal viewpoint of the verse in question.
Constitutionalist…………is it OK if we call you CT for short?……………….Welcome to the site and your perceptions are right, What you will find here a lot is when things are put forth in soundness with scriptures, along comes these deluded TRINITARIANS, and start to muddy the waters up with their confused Ideologies. This prevent much growth here and causes confusions of all kinds, Perhaps you can add more soundness here seeing you don't not seem to believe in this TRINITARIAN garbage. ANYWAY WELCOME TO THE SITE.
peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
I think the Holy Ghost always gets a bad rap. He's never included in the gang. He doesn't even get a throne! Geesh…..
Quote (RokkaMan @ Sep. 17 2009,04:08) Quote (t8 @ Sep. 16 2009,18:42) And why is God as well as Jesus mentioned?
That alone proves that God and Jesus are different identities.
Uhh? Trinitarian view agrees with you.Same being, different identity…lol
Hi RM,
So Jesus and his Father are the same PERSON?Quote (Gene @ Oct. 02 2009,08:55) Constitutionalist…………is it OK if we call you CT for short?……………….Welcome to the site and your perceptions are right, What you will find here a lot is when things are put forth in soundness with scriptures, along comes these deluded TRINITARIANS, and start to muddy the waters up with their confused Ideologies. This prevent much growth here and causes confusions of all kinds, Perhaps you can add more soundness here seeing you don't not seem to believe in this TRINITARIAN garbage. ANYWAY WELCOME TO THE SITE. peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
Thank you for your welcome and yes “CT” is fine. I would not be so harsh on those with a trinitarian view, after all this is the way they were trained up, as I was at at time in place. One cannot just snap their fingers and expect change. Just do your best with love and patience and always make sure its from the heart. Blessings to all that are in here. 
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 03 2009,14:22) Quote (Gene @ Oct. 02 2009,08:55) Constitutionalist…………is it OK if we call you CT for short?……………….Welcome to the site and your perceptions are right, What you will find here a lot is when things are put forth in soundness with scriptures, along comes these deluded TRINITARIANS, and start to muddy the waters up with their confused Ideologies. This prevent much growth here and causes confusions of all kinds, Perhaps you can add more soundness here seeing you don't not seem to believe in this TRINITARIAN garbage. ANYWAY WELCOME TO THE SITE. peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
Thank you for your welcome and yes “CT” is fine. I would not be so harsh on those with a trinitarian view, after all this is the way they were trained up, as I was at at time in place. One cannot just snap their fingers and expect change. Just do your best with love and patience and always make sure its from the heart. Blessings to all that are in here.
Hello and welcome. The trinity is not written in the Bible. You cannot prove it. Yet I can prove how wrong it is. Jesus Himself said the ” My Father is greater then I.” John 14:28
and in
Ephesians 4:6…one God and Father of all, who is above all, and in us all.
Deut. 4:35″ Unto Thee it was shewed, that Thou mightest know, that the LORD He is God; there is none else besideHim.”Deut. 6:4 Hear O Israel the LORD our God is one LORD.
When you see LORD in all capital lettes it is in the Old Testament, and it is the Father.1 Corinth. 8:4 ” And that there is none God but one.”
The trinity doctrine is not of God, but of a man named Quintus Septimus Florens Tertuallian.
He was born to Pagan Parents in A.D. 155
He wa educated in Philosiphy aqnd in Greek and Latin. It is said the the trinity was his best achievement to Christianity.
This is what
Math. 15:9 said:” But in vain do they worship Me, teaching for the doctrine the commandment of man.”Rev. `18:4 says…:” Come out of her my people, lest you share in her sins, lest you receive of her plagues.” Having patience with them is fine, but you also have to be sturn with them, otherwise they might run all over you.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (georg @ Oct. 02 2009,19:48) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 03 2009,14:22) Quote (Gene @ Oct. 02 2009,08:55) Constitutionalist…………is it OK if we call you CT for short?……………….Welcome to the site and your perceptions are right, What you will find here a lot is when things are put forth in soundness with scriptures, along comes these deluded TRINITARIANS, and start to muddy the waters up with their confused Ideologies. This prevent much growth here and causes confusions of all kinds, Perhaps you can add more soundness here seeing you don't not seem to believe in this TRINITARIAN garbage. ANYWAY WELCOME TO THE SITE. peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
Thank you for your welcome and yes “CT” is fine. I would not be so harsh on those with a trinitarian view, after all this is the way they were trained up, as I was at at time in place. One cannot just snap their fingers and expect change. Just do your best with love and patience and always make sure its from the heart. Blessings to all that are in here.
Hello and welcome. The trinity is not written in the Bible. You cannot prove it. Yet I can prove how wrong it is. Jesus Himself said the ” My Father is greater then I.” John 14:28
and in
Ephesians 4:6…one God and Father of all, who is above all, and in us all.
Deut. 4:35″ Unto Thee it was shewed, that Thou mightest know, that the LORD He is God; there is none else besideHim.”Deut. 6:4 Hear O Israel the LORD our God is one LORD.
When you see LORD in all capital lettes it is in the Old Testament, and it is the Father.1 Corinth. 8:4 ” And that there is none God but one.”
The trinity doctrine is not of God, but of a man named Quintus Septimus Florens Tertuallian.
He was born to Pagan Parents in A.D. 155
He wa educated in Philosiphy aqnd in Greek and Latin. It is said the the trinity was his best achievement to Christianity.
This is what
Math. 15:9 said:” But in vain do they worship Me, teaching for the doctrine the commandment of man.”Rev. `18:4 says…:” Come out of her my people, lest you share in her sins, lest you receive of her plagues.” Having patience with them is fine, but you also have to be sturn with them, otherwise they might run all over you.
Peace and Love Irene
I am sorry Georg, did I offend or misquote something? I had no intention on proving the trinity. I thought I spoke clearly on my earlier post. And yes the Father is the greatest of us all and yes there are no others. BlessingsAnd thank you T8 for the compliment, to which post I am unsure, but I do like warm fuzzies. Thanks and God speed.
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 03 2009,18:44) Quote (georg @ Oct. 02 2009,19:48) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 03 2009,14:22) Quote (Gene @ Oct. 02 2009,08:55) Constitutionalist…………is it OK if we call you CT for short?……………….Welcome to the site and your perceptions are right, What you will find here a lot is when things are put forth in soundness with scriptures, along comes these deluded TRINITARIANS, and start to muddy the waters up with their confused Ideologies. This prevent much growth here and causes confusions of all kinds, Perhaps you can add more soundness here seeing you don't not seem to believe in this TRINITARIAN garbage. ANYWAY WELCOME TO THE SITE. peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
Thank you for your welcome and yes “CT” is fine. I would not be so harsh on those with a trinitarian view, after all this is the way they were trained up, as I was at at time in place. One cannot just snap their fingers and expect change. Just do your best with love and patience and always make sure its from the heart. Blessings to all that are in here.
Hello and welcome. The trinity is not written in the Bible. You cannot prove it. Yet I can prove how wrong it is. Jesus Himself said the ” My Father is greater then I.” John 14:28
and in
Ephesians 4:6…one God and Father of all, who is above all, and in us all.
Deut. 4:35″ Unto Thee it was shewed, that Thou mightest know, that the LORD He is God; there is none else besideHim.”Deut. 6:4 Hear O Israel the LORD our God is one LORD.
When you see LORD in all capital lettes it is in the Old Testament, and it is the Father.1 Corinth. 8:4 ” And that there is none God but one.”
The trinity doctrine is not of God, but of a man named Quintus Septimus Florens Tertuallian.
He was born to Pagan Parents in A.D. 155
He wa educated in Philosiphy aqnd in Greek and Latin. It is said the the trinity was his best achievement to Christianity.
This is what
Math. 15:9 said:” But in vain do they worship Me, teaching for the doctrine the commandment of man.”Rev. `18:4 says…:” Come out of her my people, lest you share in her sins, lest you receive of her plagues.” Having patience with them is fine, but you also have to be sturn with them, otherwise they might run all over you.
Peace and Love Irene
I am sorry Georg, did I offend or misquote something? I had no intention on proving the trinity. I thought I spoke clearly on my earlier post. And yes the Father is the greatest of us all and yes there are no others. BlessingsAnd thank you T8 for the compliment, to which post I am unsure, but I do like warm fuzzies. Thanks and God speed.
No, NO I am not offended. I just wanted explain the trinity, that's all. Believe me I don't get offended that quickly. But Georg is my users name, and my Huasbands name. He will post sometimes. My name is Irene, see my signature.
Peace to you, Irene
Hi not3,
You told us how watching your kids get confused by trinity teaching tears you up.
Should parents teach their children?Hi Not3,
You told us of your pain when your kids were taught that Jesus is God and how they struggled with the confusion of trinity.
Jesus told little ones to come to him so how is this helping them?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 23 2009,06:51) Hi not3,
You told us how watching your kids get confused by trinity teaching tears you up.
Should parents teach their children?
It tears me up? Not really although I do confess to snickering a bit as they grapple with something I know makes no sense at all!! I just figure their minds are young and more flexible than mine – perhaps they will see an answer…….so far nothing.So what do I teach my children, then? When they are doing their bible study work and having to answer questions like: Who is God? And the only correct answer that can be given is: Jesus.
Last night the teacher asked my daughter if she understood the Trinity. My daughter just said “yes” and gave the answer the lady wanted. I asked her if that was satisfactory to her? And she said, “It's what they want to hear mom, and I don't want to get in trouble. I don't believe it though because it makes no sense at all.”. I left it at that.
Love,
Mandy
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