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are you not choosing to bring out the will of God, by correcting me but not your brother chad.
loving one as Christ has loved us, bringing truth to one that you love is not always easy and can bring pain, you can loose ones and you can gain a brother or sister in Christ. i have experienced these both giving and recieving of love.
do you not love CA enough, to give him some truth, or is alright just to let someone you love keep going on a path that you know is not right.
let me know
Quote Though we disagree in the CC being infallable, we have a lot more in common than not in our faith. that is because you are the same, kinda like you and thinker always the same, agree on everything, always having the second witness for the first.
kol tuv
Princess,
Quote are you not choosing to bring out the will of God, by correcting me but not your brother chad.
Forgive me, but I didn't notice he was calling you names? And by the way, it is not our responsibility to 'bring out the will of God'. God's ways will always be brought out. Thankfully He sees to that, not me.Quote loving one as Christ has loved us
I'm sorry, I'll have to look harder into your posts to see this. Perhaps I have missed it? Sharing your opinions that you claim are the only truth does not count as loving someone as Christ has loved us. It just means you have an interpretation of scripture and choose to act on your theories (which I guess includes calling out those you feel are “wolves” in sheep's clothing without truly knowing them).
Quote bringing truth to one that you love is not always easy and can bring pain
Spare me! I've heard this lingo before from Christians who are on power-trips. They think the bible gives them liberty to judge people's hearts and attitudes towards Christ – well it doesn't! I don't care what you think you hear the Spirit tell you. A tree is known by it's fruit! Christians like you love to call what you do (name calling and judging) as 'bringing the painful truth so some will see the light.”. Ya, right. If that's what you want to call it, sister. You will be judged by the measure you use…..Quote do you not love CA enough, to give him some truth, or is alright just to let someone you love keep going on a path that you know is not right.
Shaking head…… I don't even know what to say to this. Perhaps it doesn't deserve a reply.Quote (karmarie @ Sep. 25 2009,23:29) Thank you all so much, It is a struggle, and I do believe it is a spiritual struggle, and I want to seek guidance from higher up people, Orthodox appealed to me cause I could see the bishop and be guided through life spiritually. But theres no orthodox church here. So im only dreaming
And you cant say much on forums cause anyone can read it, thats not good.
But I feel theres alot of sence in what your all saying.
PM me. I'd like to know where you live and see if I could find some folks for you to talk with.Looking forward to it.
CA
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 26 2009,10:27) Hi not3,
The will of God is that all hear and obey His son.
Nick,Do you truly think you are able to sum up the will of God with 12 words?
Love,
MandyHi Not3,
The will of God is that none should perish so He sent His son to rescue them from His wrath.
Is any other matter really relevant like the many fanciful religions of anxious men?
Why bother entertaining those adjusting the deckchairs on the Titanic?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 26 2009,10:45) Hi Not3,
The will of God is that none should perish so He sent His son to rescue them from His wrath.
Is any other matter really relevant like the many fanciful religions of anxious men?
Why bother entertaining those adjusting the deckchairs on the Titanic?
Bro,Exactly. The will of God is that none of us perish. Perhaps he has provided for that. Who are we to say we know exactly how?
Love,
MandyQuote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 26 2009,10:48) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 26 2009,10:45) Hi Not3,
The will of God is that none should perish so He sent His son to rescue them from His wrath.
Is any other matter really relevant like the many fanciful religions of anxious men?
Why bother entertaining those adjusting the deckchairs on the Titanic?
Bro,Exactly. The will of God is that none of us perish. Perhaps he has provided for that. Who are we to say we know exactly how?
Love,
Mandy
I like the spirit of what you are saying here, Not3. I think when all is said and done NO ONE will be able to say to God….”But you didn't give me a fair shake.” I believe two things.God is just
God is rich in mercy
Hi CA,
Add another.
God has sent a message explaining how to be rescued from His wrath.
No matter what you may think you know about God you ignore that message to your perilQuote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 26 2009,10:39)
3/1feel better now, you got that all off your shoulders
you confirm a man that bows down to idols, and that i am pulling my own theology, you are pulling from your emotions that you have attached to this man.
shake your head all you want, does not change the truth.
answering part of the post was uplifting for you, what you did not answer was more revealing to me.
didn't this all start about judging another and name calling?
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 25 2009,21:33) Quote (karmarie @ Sep. 25 2009,21:02) T8 may I ask you, if as you said “the truth sets us free, and then the enemy desires to institutionalise us into a denomination where we are told what to believe” is correct, which I sence is true, what are we to do? Am I supposed to be on my own? Who do I conversate with? When life starts falling to pieces in the last days, where is my support? I get on good with people but none talk about God. They talk about kids, whats on in town, gardens, sports and weather and so on.
and forums arent the same. Its just all words without faces. And what if computers crap out
I should also say that we can find those who love God, if they are not around us. Elijah thought he was the only one left, but there were thousands.
Discussing God with people is terribly difficult. Most people just aren't genuinely interested and truth can be such an uncomfortable thing (even when you can identify definite truths). It's nice to believe you can put your faith in a book, or an organised religion, just do what you're told, not question your belief system – and expect to be saved at the end of it all.What I wonder though is – even here on this site – there are those with whom God can (at least at times) communicate, and yet, it is very rare indeed that any of those people make any post to indicate that fact – or to relay anything to the rest of us on the site.
Why is that?
Just as a side note (and much as I dislike using the Bible) the bit that talks about the master returning to the house, and implying that the servants should always be ready for the event is somewhat relevant to these questions about what you do if life falls to pieces and computers crap out… I'm afraid to say each and everyone one of you is as responsible as those servants for being prepared and ready at all times without knowing when the time falls? You know not the hour, but if you have those hard held beliefs, what excuse not to be ready?
Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 13 2009,13:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2009,12:37) Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 12 2009,19:52) Quote CA and WJ are much more polytheistic than you and they seem to really be cold in my opinion O, boo hoo. Why don't you find a corner and cry in it. I'd be relieved to find out that you're really a girl. Then at least I'd understand.
Can't take the heat of debate, can you. Not very characteristic of Muslim men I've known.
What heat? You don't even believe in what you claim you believe in, it's impossible.Is Christ a mediator or not? Yes or No?
Didn't like being talked to like a man, did you?Yes. The man Christ Jesus is the mediator between God and man.
Remember that He assumed our humanity and joined it with His divinity. Great is the mystery of godliness, God was manifest in the flesh…
Of the two of you, I suppose I'll be standing nearer to Bodhitharta when I state (again) my thoughts on Jesus.First though there are a few comments I have.
To me, the important question is not: Is Jesus the route to my personal salvation and everlasting life? Why not? Because if that is all that motivates you, that is very selfish in my opinion.
To me, the important question is not: Is Jesus God? Firstly, I believe not, and secondly, I think that the very question is a distraction from what really does matter about Jesus.
So the important question is, what really does matter about Jesus? In my opinion – what really does matter – and is all too often overlooked by those viewing Jesus as God (or part thereof) or those who believe Jesus is the path to their personal salvation and everlasting life in heaven is very simple.
Jesus carried a message – quite a profound and important message about how we as people should live and relate to each other. He lived that message, it was indeed his life. He died (horribly) for that message as well as practising what he preached in life – both through his actions and through his preaching. He associated with people of lower social status, he didn't throw the first stone, and perhaps he let himself go through what he did at the end just so the story (and the message) would survive two thousand years.
If we as a species had listened to that message properly, I have a feeling I wouldn't be sitting here right now watching the world change.
What is more important – to proclaim that Jesus is God, and that Jesus is the key to eternal salvation – or to fight for the message about how we as people should live?
Now the controversial bit (and nothing I haven't said before), but I think Jesus was as human as any of us. He was a man, albeit a remarkable one – but he isn't returning in any literal sense of the word.
I seem to remember last time a whole heap of people rushed to argue on that point, which is fine – but my answer will be as it was last time, I really suggest someone who can communicate with God asks the question (and let's us know the answer if or when they get one). That would clear things up, I feel.
Quote (Douglas @ Sep. 26 2009,13:56) Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 13 2009,13:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2009,12:37) Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 12 2009,19:52) Quote CA and WJ are much more polytheistic than you and they seem to really be cold in my opinion O, boo hoo. Why don't you find a corner and cry in it. I'd be relieved to find out that you're really a girl. Then at least I'd understand.
Can't take the heat of debate, can you. Not very characteristic of Muslim men I've known.
What heat? You don't even believe in what you claim you believe in, it's impossible.Is Christ a mediator or not? Yes or No?
Didn't like being talked to like a man, did you?Yes. The man Christ Jesus is the mediator between God and man.
Remember that He assumed our humanity and joined it with His divinity. Great is the mystery of godliness, God was manifest in the flesh…
Of the two of you, I suppose I'll be standing nearer to Bodhitharta when I state (again) my thoughts on Jesus.First though there are a few comments I have.
To me, the important question is not: Is Jesus the route to my personal salvation and everlasting life? Why not? Because if that is all that motivates you, that is very selfish in my opinion.
To me, the important question is not: Is Jesus God? Firstly, I believe not, and secondly, I think that the very question is a distraction from what really does matter about Jesus.
So the important question is, what really does matter about Jesus? In my opinion – what really does matter – and is all too often overlooked by those viewing Jesus as God (or part thereof) or those who believe Jesus is the path to their personal salvation and everlasting life in heaven is very simple.
Jesus carried a message – quite a profound and important message about how we as people should live and relate to each other. He lived that message, it was indeed his life. He died (horribly) for that message as well as practising what he preached in life – both through his actions and through his preaching. He associated with people of lower social status, he didn't throw the first stone, and perhaps he let himself go through what he did at the end just so the story (and the message) would survive two thousand years.
If we as a species had listened to that message properly, I have a feeling I wouldn't be sitting here right now watching the world change.
What is more important – to proclaim that Jesus is God, and that Jesus is the key to eternal salvation – or to fight for the message about how we as people should live?
Now the controversial bit (and nothing I haven't said before), but I think Jesus was as human as any of us. He was a man, albeit a remarkable one – but he isn't returning in any literal sense of the word.
I seem to remember last time a whole heap of people rushed to argue on that point, which is fine – but my answer will be as it was last time, I really suggest someone who can communicate with God asks the question (and let's us know the answer if or when they get one). That would clear things up, I feel.
Douglas You are saying a lot here, however I did not get a lot out of it, though. Jesus to me is everything, because He is my Mediator to go to our Heavenly Father and pray to Him. God the Father cannot look on sin and since we are all sinners we need Jesus. I am undwer His Blood, because that is the New Cocvenant. And to ask for my Sins to be forgiven. Do you believe like some do and say that is automaticly done? I don't.
IreneQuote (princess of the king @ Sep. 25 2009,18:08) Quote Though we disagree in the CC being infallable, we have a lot more in common than not in our faith. that is because you are the same, kinda like you and thinker always the same, agree on everything, always having the second witness for the first.
kol tuv
POKI thought I just said “I didn't agree on everything?
WJ
Quote (princess of the king @ Sep. 26 2009,12:32) [quote=Not3in1,Sep. 26 2009,10:39][/quote]
3/1feel better now, you got that all off your shoulders
you confirm a man that bows down to idols, and that i am pulling my own theology, you are pulling from your emotions that you have attached to this man.
shake your head all you want, does not change the truth.
answering part of the post was uplifting for you, what you did not answer was more revealing to me.
didn't this all start about judging another and name calling?
Princess,I do feel better now, thanks for asking.
I stand up for CA as much as I would any brother here….just ask them.
You do have your own theology – we all do. We take from what we like and leave the rest.
The “truth” is clear as mud, Princess. Read along these threads and tell me if you can spot the “truth”.
I don't trust your “revelations”, sorry. Enjoy.
Quote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 25 2009,18:39) Princess, Quote are you not choosing to bring out the will of God, by correcting me but not your brother chad.
Forgive me, but I didn't notice he was calling you names? And by the way, it is not our responsibility to 'bring out the will of God'. God's ways will always be brought out. Thankfully He sees to that, not me.Quote loving one as Christ has loved us
I'm sorry, I'll have to look harder into your posts to see this. Perhaps I have missed it? Sharing your opinions that you claim are the only truth does not count as loving someone as Christ has loved us. It just means you have an interpretation of scripture and choose to act on your theories (which I guess includes calling out those you feel are “wolves” in sheep's clothing without truly knowing them). Quote bringing truth to one that you love is not always easy and can bring pain
Spare me! I've heard this lingo before from Christians who are on power-trips. They think the bible gives them liberty to judge people's hearts and attitudes towards Christ – well it doesn't! I don't care what you think you hear the Spirit tell you. A tree is known by it's fruit! Christians like you love to call what you do (name calling and judging) as 'bringing the painful truth so some will see the light.”. Ya, right. If that's what you want to call it, sister. You will be judged by the measure you use…..Quote do you not love CA enough, to give him some truth, or is alright just to let someone you love keep going on a path that you know is not right.
Shaking head…… I don't even know what to say to this. Perhaps it doesn't deserve a reply.
MandySome really good points!
Blessings WJ
Hi Douglas
Quote (Douglas @ Sep. 25 2009,21:56)
If we as a species had listened to that message properly, I have a feeling I wouldn't be sitting here right now watching the world change.What is more important – to proclaim that Jesus is God, and that Jesus is the key to eternal salvation – or to fight for the message about how we as people should live?
Your statement above makes no sense because you say “If we as a species had listened to that (Jesus) message properly”, and then deny that he is the key to eternal salvation is contradictory to Jesus message for he said with his own words…I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6
Jesus is the only way to life and salvation!
If you have Jesus you have the Father, God!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 26 2009,17:31) I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6
Hi bro,I've been pondering this very verse today in light of other conversations going on here.
I want to ask your opinion on something, what do you think Jesus meant when he said he had “other” sheep?
Thanks,
MandyQuote (princess of the king @ Sep. 26 2009,10:08) Quote Though we disagree in the CC being infallable, we have a lot more in common than not in our faith. that is because you are the same, kinda like you and thinker always the same, agree on everything, always having the second witness for the first.
kol tuv
princess,
You haven't been here long enough to observe that WJ and I do not agree on everything. You don't know that we have sent each other pm's taking the other to task. Even if we did agree on everything so what?thinker
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