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My feeling is this – if God doesn't appeal to the gifts he has given his creation (our senses, our intellect, our ability to reason and so on) than he is going to get no where. OR he will have a bunch of followers who are using blind faith to believe something they don't totally understand. Shaking head….why have that? What satisfaction could that bring a Creator? I don't get it….obviously.
Quote (CatholicApologist @ Aug. 25 2009,13:48) The Trinity or any other doctrine was never meant to be proven using the Bible alone.
And how did you figure this out? Does the bible have a little clause that says, “See other writings and/or stories told by old guys.”? I'm teasing, but really, how do you know that you're supposed to use other methods of learning about this dogma that is not in the bible (only by quiltwork)?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 23 2009,07:56) Hi not3,
Should we let deceived adults molest our kids minds?
We have light and they need it.
Well……I'm tending to look at it a little differently. I've explained to my kids that they can spit out the seed and eat the fruit. It's a good lesson to learn in life. Not everything will roll your way. It's the whle adage – don't throw the baby out with the bath water. There are a lot of good things that come out of organized religion. I don't like the majority of it, but for the kids it's good.Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,15:46) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 23 2009,06:51) Hi not3,
You told us how watching your kids get confused by trinity teaching tears you up.
Should parents teach their children?
It tears me up? Not really although I do confess to snickering a bit as they grapple with something I know makes no sense at all!! I just figure their minds are young and more flexible than mine – perhaps they will see an answer…….so far nothing.So what do I teach my children, then? When they are doing their bible study work and having to answer questions like: Who is God? And the only correct answer that can be given is: Jesus.
Last night the teacher asked my daughter if she understood the Trinity. My daughter just said “yes” and gave the answer the lady wanted. I asked her if that was satisfactory to her? And she said, “It's what they want to hear mom, and I don't want to get in trouble. I don't believe it though because it makes no sense at all.”. I left it at that.
Love,
Mandy
MandyThe problem is people think the word God identifies “who” the Father is. But as we know the Muslim considers God to be Allah for instance.
The word God describes what God is just like the words human or dog or cat.
What is so hard about explaining the nature of God?
Your daughters nature is “human” like their Dad.
The Father is Spirit and Jesus nature is God like his Father!
I and my Father are “One”, Jesus said.
Blessings WJ
Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,15:49) My feeling is this – if God doesn't appeal to the gifts he has given his creation (our senses, our intellect, our ability to reason and so on) than he is going to get no where. OR he will have a bunch of followers who are using blind faith to believe something they don't totally understand. Shaking head….why have that? What satisfaction could that bring a Creator? I don't get it….obviously.
MandyWhat satisfaction would it be to think that we can fully comprehend an “infinite God” with finite minds.
Wouldn't that mean that God is no greater than we are?
Doesn't the scriptures say…
“As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. Isa 55:9
Yes it does take blind faith to believe in someone you cannot see!
WJ
Quote What is so hard about explaining the nature of God?
Because “God” in this case (as in the Father) is three persons. And that doesn't make sense to a child when you tell them that one of the persons is divine, and another person is man, and another person is spirit. They cannot process such a teaching. Nor can I – I've tried for years.Love,
MandyQuote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 23 2009,09:33) Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,15:49) My feeling is this – if God doesn't appeal to the gifts he has given his creation (our senses, our intellect, our ability to reason and so on) than he is going to get no where. OR he will have a bunch of followers who are using blind faith to believe something they don't totally understand. Shaking head….why have that? What satisfaction could that bring a Creator? I don't get it….obviously.
MandyWhat satisfaction would it be to think that we can fully comprehend an “infinite God” with finite minds.
Wouldn't that mean that God is no greater than we are?
Doesn't the scriptures say…
“As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. Isa 55:9
Yes it does take blind faith to believe in someone you cannot see!
WJ
True, true…..but when you are in a relationship with someone you want to know them. Maybe you'll never truly know them completely, right? But at least the basics are covered and you can move on to deeper knowings…..With “God” we can't even figure out what he is!!! Look at all the pages here…..
It's difficult to move on to deeper feelings and knowings when you can't get pass base one.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 23 2009,09:34) Hi not3,
So in general fellowship is worth the risk while parents warn them about falsehoods?
Yep, that sounds about right. Life is a risk.Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,17:40) Quote What is so hard about explaining the nature of God?
Because “God” in this case (as in the Father) is three persons. And that doesn't make sense to a child when you tell them that one of the persons is divine, and another person is man, and another person is spirit. They cannot process such a teaching. Nor can I – I've tried for years.Love,
Mandy
MandyYet you can process that the Father who is a Spirit brought birth to Jesus making him both “Divine” and “Human”?
Is he only man? Or is he some sort of “demi-god”, half God and half man?
Blessings WJ
Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,17:42) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 23 2009,09:33) Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,15:49) My feeling is this – if God doesn't appeal to the gifts he has given his creation (our senses, our intellect, our ability to reason and so on) than he is going to get no where. OR he will have a bunch of followers who are using blind faith to believe something they don't totally understand. Shaking head….why have that? What satisfaction could that bring a Creator? I don't get it….obviously.
MandyWhat satisfaction would it be to think that we can fully comprehend an “infinite God” with finite minds.
Wouldn't that mean that God is no greater than we are?
Doesn't the scriptures say…
“As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. Isa 55:9
Yes it does take blind faith to believe in someone you cannot see!
WJ
True, true…..but when you are in a relationship with someone you want to know them. Maybe you'll never truly know them completely, right? But at least the basics are covered and you can move on to deeper knowings…..With “God” we can't even figure out what he is!!! Look at all the pages here…..
It's difficult to move on to deeper feelings and knowings when you can't get pass base one.
MandyYou are infering that Trinitarians have not gone past base one!
WJ
Plus, Nick, I want my kids to have the basic Christian foundation so that they can choose when they are old enough. They can choose to study further and make comparisions, like I have. Or they can continue on in traditional Christianity.
Just like you and your family – you had the basics and then went from there.
Would you do things differently now – knowing what you know now? If so, what would you do differently? What advice do you have for me?Thanks,
MandyQuote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 23 2009,09:46) Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,17:42) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 23 2009,09:33) Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,15:49) My feeling is this – if God doesn't appeal to the gifts he has given his creation (our senses, our intellect, our ability to reason and so on) than he is going to get no where. OR he will have a bunch of followers who are using blind faith to believe something they don't totally understand. Shaking head….why have that? What satisfaction could that bring a Creator? I don't get it….obviously.
MandyWhat satisfaction would it be to think that we can fully comprehend an “infinite God” with finite minds.
Wouldn't that mean that God is no greater than we are?
Doesn't the scriptures say…
“As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. Isa 55:9
Yes it does take blind faith to believe in someone you cannot see!
WJ
True, true…..but when you are in a relationship with someone you want to know them. Maybe you'll never truly know them completely, right? But at least the basics are covered and you can move on to deeper knowings…..With “God” we can't even figure out what he is!!! Look at all the pages here…..
It's difficult to move on to deeper feelings and knowings when you can't get pass base one.
MandyYou are infering that Trinitarians have not gone past base one!
WJ
Well….heehee…..for me (as a Trinitarian) that's how I felt. Sorry.Perhaps I'm not as smart as you and the other's. I certainly had a relationship with God (with Jesus back then only – I didn't know the Father was an option). But as soon as I started reading and studying about who God was……..I couldn't get past all the unknowns.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 23 2009,09:45) Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,17:40) Quote What is so hard about explaining the nature of God?
Because “God” in this case (as in the Father) is three persons. And that doesn't make sense to a child when you tell them that one of the persons is divine, and another person is man, and another person is spirit. They cannot process such a teaching. Nor can I – I've tried for years.Love,
Mandy
MandyYet you can process that the Father who is a Spirit brought birth to Jesus making him both “Divine” and “Human”?
Is he only man? Or is he some sort of “demi-god”, half God and half man?
Blessings WJ
I have concluded (although everyone here says I'm wrong, so there you go) that Jesus is a divine man.A divine father and a human mother gives birth to a divine man.
Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,17:48) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 23 2009,09:46) Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,17:42) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 23 2009,09:33) Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,15:49) My feeling is this – if God doesn't appeal to the gifts he has given his creation (our senses, our intellect, our ability to reason and so on) than he is going to get no where. OR he will have a bunch of followers who are using blind faith to believe something they don't totally understand. Shaking head….why have that? What satisfaction could that bring a Creator? I don't get it….obviously.
MandyWhat satisfaction would it be to think that we can fully comprehend an “infinite God” with finite minds.
Wouldn't that mean that God is no greater than we are?
Doesn't the scriptures say…
“As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. Isa 55:9
Yes it does take blind faith to believe in someone you cannot see!
WJ
True, true…..but when you are in a relationship with someone you want to know them. Maybe you'll never truly know them completely, right? But at least the basics are covered and you can move on to deeper knowings…..With “God” we can't even figure out what he is!!! Look at all the pages here…..
It's difficult to move on to deeper feelings and knowings when you can't get pass base one.
MandyYou are infering that Trinitarians have not gone past base one!
WJ
Well….heehee…..for me (as a Trinitarian) that's how I felt. Sorry.Perhaps I'm not as smart as you and the other's. I certainly had a relationship with God (with Jesus back then only – I didn't know the Father was an option). But as soon as I started reading and studying about who God was……..I couldn't get past all the unknowns.
MandyCome on, this is your favorite Trinitarian you are talking to.
You have more unknowns now than you ever had, isn't that right?
WJ
Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,17:50) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 23 2009,09:45) Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,17:40) Quote What is so hard about explaining the nature of God?
Because “God” in this case (as in the Father) is three persons. And that doesn't make sense to a child when you tell them that one of the persons is divine, and another person is man, and another person is spirit. They cannot process such a teaching. Nor can I – I've tried for years.Love,
Mandy
MandyYet you can process that the Father who is a Spirit brought birth to Jesus making him both “Divine” and “Human”?
Is he only man? Or is he some sort of “demi-god”, half God and half man?
Blessings WJ
I have concluded (although everyone here says I'm wrong, so there you go) that Jesus is a divine man.A divine father and a human mother gives birth to a divine man.
MandyIs that the way you explain it to your children?
WJ
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