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While I have no problem with using incense or the like, as the sense of smell stimulates certain areas of the brain, and can create unconcious symbolic associations I doubt that Satan had this grand plan of anticipating Christian worship in the future so he spread seeds of similar, but false and misleading practices in the past. There is nothing wrong adapting past practices to meet future needs and being pagan especially in pre-christian times does not equate with evil. The pagan priests knew psychology and their worship techniques showed this understanding. Ceremony, largely eschewed in protestant worship, can be a powerful tool as the Vatican well knows. Though I will admit that many are less about God then about moving hidden levers of the mind.
Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 12 2009,05:14) bodhitharta said: Quote As I have already said she is addressing Jehovah for the message is from Jehovah. The Angel is representing God. I thought I had made that point clear long ago.
bd,
You evaded the point long ago. I had pointed out to you that Hagar called the One she saw “the God who sees me.”“You are the God who sees; for Have I also here seen Him who sees me.”
The One Hagar called “God” is the very One she saw with her own eyes. She saw the Messenger. She said of the Messenger she saw “The God who sees me.”
thinker
You are still not making a point other than to agree with me that a representative may be addressed as the one who sent him but that wouldn't make the messenger “be” the one who sent the message.Your doing good though you seem to be starting to get a monotheistic consciousness.
CA and WJ are much more polytheistic than you and they seem to really be cold in my opinion, you see warmth comes from intimacy.
While we know that polygamy was allowed we saw the greatest intimacy with Monogamy.
bodhitharta said:
Quote You are still not making a point other than to agree with me that a representative may be addressed as the one who sent him but that wouldn't make the messenger “be” the one who sent the message.
The Messenger Himself could not say “I am the God of your fathers” unless that Messenger was God (Exodus 3:6). The Messenger Himself could not say “I will multiply your seed” unless that Messenger shared God's name. Get real!Your assertion that a messenger may be addressed as God without being God is nonsense. You are just trying to explain the narrative away. If you really believed this you would have no problem with addressing Jesus as God.
bodhitharta:
Quote Your doing good though you seem to be starting to get a monotheistic consciousness.
You're a hoot!
bodhitharta:
Quote CA and WJ are much more polytheistic than you and they seem to really be cold in my opinion, you see warmth comes from intimacy.
thinker
Hi TT,
Such logic has led you to falsely conclude angels are God.
Think again.God can speak though any submitted vessel.
Thinker…….So what is Protestants and Catholics excuse for Killing each other of in Ireland because of their “TRUE” belif systems of the TRINITY, seeing they (BOTH) have the “TRUE” teachings of GOD. Athanaus and Ariens are both wrong, but Athanaus More wrong. But two wrongs don't make a right either. At least the Ariens new Jesus was not the GOD of CREATION. 2Ths2..> show that from the (mist) (Athanaus) and (Ariens)…….would come forth the (MAN OF SIN) and it happened when the teaching of the TRINITY turned Jesus from and ordinary man to a GOD. All who teach it are guilty of IDOLATRY. IMO
peace and love…………………..gene
Quote You are correct that Constantine is responsible for the freedom of all religions to worship God as they saw fit. to worship god as they saw fit…………explains alot.
Quote CA and WJ are much more polytheistic than you and they seem to really be cold in my opinion O, boo hoo. Why don't you find a corner and cry in it. I'd be relieved to find out that you're really a girl. Then at least I'd understand.
Can't take the heat of debate, can you. Not very characteristic of Muslim men I've known.
Quote (Gene @ Sep. 12 2009,14:36) Thinker…….So what is Protestants and Catholics excuse for Killing each other of in Ireland because of their “TRUE” belif systems of the TRINITY, seeing they (BOTH) have the “TRUE” teachings of GOD. Athanaus and Ariens are both wrong, but Athanaus More wrong. But two wrongs don't make a right either. At least the Ariens new Jesus was not the GOD of CREATION. 2Ths2..> show that from the (mist) (Athanaus) and (Ariens)…….would come forth the (MAN OF SIN) and it happened when the teaching of the TRINITY turned Jesus from and ordinary man to a GOD. All who teach it are guilty of IDOLATRY. IMO peace and love…………………..gene
Don't forget Muslim extremists who oppress women and kill in the name of Allah. These are anti-trinitarians. Shouldn't you condemn ALL killings?thinker
Quote (princess of the king @ Sep. 12 2009,18:57) Quote You are correct that Constantine is responsible for the freedom of all religions to worship God as they saw fit. to worship god as they saw fit…………explains alot.
Your point being….thinker
CA………..I don't think Satan did Such a bad Job , the Catholic's and the Protestants , bought into the concept of the TRINITY years later. IMO
gene
Quote (Gene @ Sep. 13 2009,01:31) CA………..I don't think Satan did Such a bad Job , the Catholic's and the Protestants , bought into the concept of the TRINITY years later. IMO gene
“Looking for that blessed hope the glorious appearing of the great God and Savior Jesus Christ” (Titus 2:13)So Paul was a Satan inspired Catholic or Protestant.
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Sep. 12 2009,20:15) Quote (princess of the king @ Sep. 12 2009,18:57) Quote You are correct that Constantine is responsible for the freedom of all religions to worship God as they saw fit. to worship god as they saw fit…………explains alot.
Your point being….thinker
read your statement twice if needed, take some time and think about it…….you will get to the point, if not let me know father willing I'll walk you through it.kol tuv
Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 12 2009,19:52) Quote CA and WJ are much more polytheistic than you and they seem to really be cold in my opinion O, boo hoo. Why don't you find a corner and cry in it. I'd be relieved to find out that you're really a girl. Then at least I'd understand.
Can't take the heat of debate, can you. Not very characteristic of Muslim men I've known.
What heat? You don't even believe in what you claim you believe in, it's impossible.Is Christ a mediator or not? Yes or No?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2009,12:37) Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 12 2009,19:52) Quote CA and WJ are much more polytheistic than you and they seem to really be cold in my opinion O, boo hoo. Why don't you find a corner and cry in it. I'd be relieved to find out that you're really a girl. Then at least I'd understand.
Can't take the heat of debate, can you. Not very characteristic of Muslim men I've known.
What heat? You don't even believe in what you claim you believe in, it's impossible.Is Christ a mediator or not? Yes or No?
Didn't like being talked to like a man, did you?Yes. The man Christ Jesus is the mediator between God and man.
Remember that He assumed our humanity and joined it with His divinity. Great is the mystery of godliness, God was manifest in the flesh…
Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 12 2009,21:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 13 2009,12:37) Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 12 2009,19:52) Quote CA and WJ are much more polytheistic than you and they seem to really be cold in my opinion O, boo hoo. Why don't you find a corner and cry in it. I'd be relieved to find out that you're really a girl. Then at least I'd understand.
Can't take the heat of debate, can you. Not very characteristic of Muslim men I've known.
What heat? You don't even believe in what you claim you believe in, it's impossible.Is Christ a mediator or not? Yes or No?
Didn't like being talked to like a man, did you?Yes. The man Christ Jesus is the mediator between God and man.
Remember that He assumed our humanity and joined it with His divinity. Great is the mystery of godliness, God was manifest in the flesh…
HI CAWell said, but it is to simple for the carnal and unregenerate mind of man to recieve, for they stumble over it!
He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. John 12:40
John quotes Isaiah from Isa chapter 6 when Isaiah saw the Glory of YHWH who the Apostle John attributes to the Glory of Jesus.
The key is when their eyes are opened then they will see that Jesus is YHWH who Isaiah saw, but as it is written this has happened to them…
He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. John 12:40
WJ
Hi WJ,
Does it take a spiritual mind to accept what is not in scripture?
Drop the catholic stuff and you will have some credulityQuote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 13 2009,17:42) Hi WJ,
Does it take a spiritual mind to accept what is not in scripture?
Drop the catholic stuff and you will have some credulity
Yeah, I get it…you are all the same. “Drop the Catholic stuff”You can have credulity if you are JW, Muslim, Mormon, snake handler….
You guys disagree with each other on a myriad of points. Yet when it comes to the one Church Jesus established and left behind, you are all like an old boys' club.
You can agree on two things:
1. You don't like the Church
2. You can't afford to re-think Sola Scriptura (even though you can't support it Scripturally)
WorshippingJesus said:
Quote John quotes Isaiah from Isa chapter 6 when Isaiah saw the Glory of YHWH who the Apostle John attributes to the Glory of Jesus. Yes WJ,
The point you made has been made before by us and it has fallen on deaf ears. All anti-trinitarians, the whole Heinz 57 mix of them do not allow the new testament to interpret the old.thinker
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