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Quote The scripture says The Father gave Jesus life in himself. Tell me who attributed life in The Father? bd,
The Scripture also says that men give power to God.Quote Give to the LORD glory and power (Ps. 96:7) Men give power to God.
thinker
Quote (Gene @ May 27 2009,13:39) Thinker……..Your logic is wrong brother. imo peace and love…………………….gene
Gene,
Non-personal and non-person are the same. If my logic is wrong then explain the difference like I asked you.thinker
To all! Why is it so confusing to you? To understand John 1:1 we have to look at other Scriptures. First lets look at John 1:1 In the beginning there was the Word and the Word was God, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. God is a tittle, there are others that are called God, like the God of this World, Satan. The Father has a name, Jehovah and the Word has a name Yeshua.
Now lets look at
Col. 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation
verse 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible ………all things were created for Him and through Him..Verse 18 tells us…….that He also was the firstborn of the dead, so that in all things He has preeminence, meaning that He is first in all.
John 17:5 ” And now O Father glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory, which I had with You before the world was.”
All of this including John 1:1 in verse 2 it says All things were made through Him and without Him nothing was made.
verse 4 tells us that He was the light of men. And in Him was life was light…….
verse 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us…….
Some might say the Word is the Word of God the Father, but that is not so, since this Word became flesh. All the other Scriptures I gave you go right along with it.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (thethinker @ May 28 2009,05:32) Quote (Gene @ May 27 2009,13:39) Thinker……..Your logic is wrong brother. imo peace and love…………………….gene
Gene,
Non-personal and non-person are the same. If my logic is wrong then explain the difference like I asked you.thinker
Thinker……..your car is a (Personal) Piece of property, is it a Person to, NO. Personal does not have to be a person at all. IMOpeace and love…………….gene
Hi t8,
i would agree with a lot of that too. The Father is GOD without the Son but the Son is not God apart from the Father. IMO I do think that the Father is not a “saving” GOD apart from the Son as in saving us from eternal separation from Him but He (the Father) is GOD apart from the Son. The Father and the Son are both necessary for our salvation…we can not be saved without the Father and the Son.Quote (Lightenup @ May 30 2009,03:04) Hi t8,
i would agree with a lot of that too. The Father is GOD without the Son but the Son is not God apart from the Father. IMO I do think that the Father is not a “saving” GOD apart from the Son as in saving us from eternal separation from Him but He (the Father) is GOD apart from the Son. The Father and the Son are both necessary for our salvation…we can not be saved without the Father and the Son.
The Father is the saving God.Hebrews 5:6-8 (King James Version)
6As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
7Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
Who was Jesus crying to and who saved him? It is very sad to me that you do not understand That God Almighty is truly your Saviour he sent Jesus so that many would believe in Him. Jesus said his mission was to glorify the name of the Father on earth.
God said His arms are not too short to save.
Hi Bo,
I do believe that GOD Almighty is truly my Savior but it is because Jesus paid for my sins and God Almighty accepted that payment in full, without that payment that came through the shedding of the blood of His Son, none of us would be saved.Blessings,
LUQuote (Lightenup @ May 31 2009,15:00) Hi Bo,
I do believe that GOD Almighty is truly my Savior but it is because Jesus paid for my sins and God Almighty accepted that payment in full, without that payment that came through the shedding of the blood of His Son, none of us would be saved.Blessings,
LU
No, it is because you believe in God and the one whom he sent.Bo,
What do you think would have happened if the one He sent did not go to the cross and die but instead sent for the legion of angels to come and get Him?Quote (Lightenup @ May 31 2009,15:51) Bo,
What do you think would have happened if the one He sent did not go to the cross and die but instead sent for the legion of angels to come and get Him?
What do you think happened before he was sent?Do you think Abraham, Moses, David, Isaac, Elijah….etc
were in hell or were going to hell?Quote (bodhitharta @ May 31 2009,00:00) Quote (Lightenup @ May 31 2009,15:51) Bo,
What do you think would have happened if the one He sent did not go to the cross and die but instead sent for the legion of angels to come and get Him?
What do you think happened before he was sent?Do you think Abraham, Moses, David, Isaac, Elijah….etc
were in hell or were going to hell?
Bo,No, I don't think they were in hell or going to hell but I don't think they had returned to the Father yet either.
You didn't answer my question.
Quote (bodhitharta @ May 31 2009,16:00) Do you think Abraham, Moses, David, Isaac, Elijah….etc
were in hell or were going to hell?
Luke 16:20-27
20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
25 “But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'
Hebrews 11:9-12
8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going.
9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise.10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God.
bodhitharta……….I think something to consider is the fact that the Spirit of GOD was (ON) those in the old testament times but not in them. it simply was influencing them and there behaviors, but in the new testament times the Spirit was Given to be (IN) us not (ON) Us. I think this makes a difference and we recieve the Spirit in Us through Jesus, who sent it to be in us and abide with us forever. Look at King David for instance On his death bed he gave orders to His some Solomon to Kill two people, Hardly a Spirit of a converted Man right. Hatred was obviously still in his heart. Yet He loved GOD and His commandments. I personally don't think David will be in the First resurrection, but will come up later in the second resurrection. I am not teaching this as fact, just my observation i could be wrong. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
Quote (Gene @ June 01 2009,03:20) bodhitharta……….I think something to consider is the fact that the Spirit of GOD was (ON) those in the old testament times but not in them. it simply was influencing them and there behaviors, but in the new testament times the Spirit was Given to be (IN) us not (ON) Us. I think this makes a difference and we recieve the Spirit in Us through Jesus, who sent it to be in us and abide with us forever. Look at King David for instance On his death bed he gave orders to His some Solomon to Kill two people, Hardly a Spirit of a converted Man right. Hatred was obviously still in his heart. Yet He loved GOD and His commandments. I personally don't think David will be in the First resurrection, but will come up later in the second resurrection. I am not teaching this as fact, just my observation i could be wrong. IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
David was greatly loved by God so much so that Jesus is inheriting the Throne of David, it is not called The Throne of Jesus.Hi Kathi
Quote (Lightenup @ June 02 2009,13:56) Thinker,
The Son of GOD was never a lesser Son of GOD at any point.
No more than he was a “lesser” God at any point!Blessings WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 02 2009,16:38) Hi Kathi Quote (Lightenup @ June 02 2009,13:56) Thinker,
The Son of GOD was never a lesser Son of GOD at any point.
No more than he was a “lesser” God at any point!Blessings WJ
You are right Keith,He is not a lesser God nor is He the Most High GOD.
He is the only God that was ever begotten by the Most High GOD. If He is the only God that was ever begotten then He can't be a lesser God that was ever begotten…at any point.
Kathi
To all! Is everybody forgetting that Jesus was above the Angels, when God created Him, before the world was. Just because He gave the glory up, when He became a man, He did not loose His Sonship. And only until His dead, was He lower then the Angels. Then John 17:5 ” And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory I had with You, before the world was.”
Peace and Love Irene
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