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just imagine…. all the godly men and women who have lived these past 2000 years, and no one got it right til heavens net came along…. amazing….
Quote (epistemaniac @ Aug. 13 2008,12:11) just imagine…. all the godly men and women who have lived these past 2000 years, and no one got it right til heavens net came along…. amazing….
You believe in the trinity? And why? You know the Bible tells us in 2 Thes. 5:21 to prove all things. Can you prove the trinity doctrine?
Peace and Love IreneDo we really want another Trinity thread?
Welcome MJ! Please see the Trinity thread that is well established. If someone hasn't bumped it up for you, I will.
MandyQuote (Gene Balthrop @ July 31 2008,02:57) To All…… in my opinion the trinitarian stand is more scriptural then the preexistence's, at least they understand where God said He (ALONE) and BY (HIMSELF) created the earth and the things in it. They are wrong saying Jesus is that God tho , but preexistences are wrong about Jesus preexisting as a being before his berth also. The truth lyes in the middle ground, Jesus was (foreordained) as Peter Said, The word Foreordained implies non existence prior to coming into existence as Peter said ,and also God said the Seed of the (WOMEN) would bruise the Head of the serpent not a preexistent being of some kind. And again God said He would bring him forth from a Israel decedent. For the Lord shall raise up from among your brothers a prophet like unto Me said Moses, not from some preexistent state as Both trinitarians and preexistences imply. IMO Peace to you all………..gene
Gen Col. 1:15 says firstborn of all creation. Also
Rev. 3:14 … ” This things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the beginning of the creation of God.”
NOTICE THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD.”
He is with God in the beginning John 1:1
The explanation you give is all about what Jesus was after He emptied Himself, when He was a man. In the old Test. it is always either one of the Angels speaking or Jesus. Jesus tells us that nobody has seen God or heard His Word. That He said after He became a man.
And the Word became flesh. Also we don't take “Word out of contact.” It does not show any trinity doctrine like some have said. Trinity is 3in1 all equal in power. Jesus said that the Father is greater then He is.
Eph.. 4:6 ..one God and Father of all, WHO IS ABOVE ALL AND IN US ALL.
Peace and Love Irene
To me it is clear.
Peace and Love IreneHmmm. It opened up quite quickly for me this time. Will have to keep and eye out and if it is indeed slow, might need to start up “Trinity2” the sequel, before the whole discussion self-destructs or something. Could cap it at 12,000 posts. Sounds like a good number for completion.
Yea, you are right my brother T8,
Today I also got it as much faster as par with other threads, may be 1200 is ideal count.May God continue to bless you for promoting healthy debate on Biblical misconceptions.
Thanks
AdamHey how about some posts, I am waiting for the 12000 one so I can close this topic and start the sequel.
Maybe there should be a prize for the 12000 post?
Or maybe WJ could call all those who believe that the Father is the one true God a bunch of Polytheists as he has done in the past. That would surely ignite a few posts.
Really to be honest I still don't get whats the super big deal about it.
Other then some one group of believers wants to separate themselves from the other groups of believers, which is always the case anymore with any group of believers.
Weather Jesus is GOD the Father or not? Do you still not have to believe in the name of JESUS? So, in essence then you take GOD out of the picture?
If he were not as some believe…and GOD uses Jesus for his plan? That don't really mean that he has too…it just means that is what he did.What ever the case is, really is irrelevant. Because we know that GOD did what he did, and that is the way it is. There is no changing it. Its done the way he wants it done and that is really all there is to it.
Whats so hard about that?
So if your Oneness and you believe that Jesus is GOD the Father, GOD the son, GOD the Holy Ghost…and all these three or one…
Or…
Your of the Trinity belief and you belief that Jesus is GOD, GOD the Father, and GOD the Holy Ghost…
no matter what it is you think you have figured out do you not still have to ask and pray for everything in the Name of Jesus Christ?
So are you all still not worshiping the same GOD?
The only way to get forgiviness is by the blood and the name of Jesus Christ…no matter what your belief is.
Its that simple.
I'm not sure. But it seems to me like people are making more of a big deal out of it then anything.
All we do is try to point out each others faults. I wish we could stop this.
This might well be the fault of us all.
I was raised up Trinity…and now I'm not sure they have it right to be honest. But now that I'm going to this Oneness church…I'm trying to see where they are right…and there are some scriptures that may read like that…But for some reason something just don't “Feel” right when I here them say Jesus is GOD the Father.
I really don't know what it is. And I have the Holy Ghost. It just seems like something in side me is saying that is not right either.
I've been praying about all this a long time.
Let me tell you this.
No where in the Bible does it say Jesus is GOD the Father.
No where in the Bible does it say GOD the Son.It does say that GOD made his enemies his footstool, and that he is heir to all things…and that all power is given to him in heaven and in earth.
Matthew 28
19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:That name is Jesus Christ. To whom all power is given. At present what more is there to understand?
It is by the name of Jesus Christ that all things are given.
Least we believe that he was sent by the Father to die for our sins and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord…we will die in our sins.
We can argue all day long about what ever we want but that is the message. That we should all come to repentance, and to love the Lord thy GOD with all thy heart and all thy soul. And to love thy neighbor as thy self.
As we say in the Military …Too Easy.
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 18 2008,19:38) Hey how about some posts, I am waiting for the 12000 one so I can close this topic and start the sequel. Maybe there should be a prize for the 12000 post?
Or maybe WJ could call all those who believe that the Father is the one true God a bunch of Polytheists as he has done in the past. That would surely ignite a few posts.
t8Maybe you can cite where I made such a statement.
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 18 2008,19:38) …call all those who believe that the Father is the one true God a bunch of Polytheists as he has done in the past.
If you can't then your statement would be considered bearing false witness.That would mean that you are a liar!
WJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 19 2008,09:42) Hi WJ,
You told us you believe in God with God did you not?
That makes two so far.
NHJohn says God was with God. John 1:1
Do you deny his words?
WJ
Hi WJ,
Mine reads rather
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.It does not say GOD was with GOD
that would make two GODS and we know your anxieties about that.So what of a “trinity member” anointing another, with a third while only one is called God?[acts 10.38]
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