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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 04 2008,22:52) Martian……> Jesus said (THOU) are the (ONLY TRUE) GOD….IF the GOD He was talking about is the (ONLY TRUE GOD) then all others are false gods, and again, while there are many so called gods, But unto Us there is only (ONE GOD).
It would not be correct to say that if there is only one true God, than all others, I assume who are referred to by the Hebrew words for “god”, are false gods. Such a proposition sets up a false dichotomy, and overlooks the Hebraic usage of the words for God, forms of EL, ELOHIM and THEOS. Jesus is not a false god because these words are used of him, but they are used of him in the same manner they are used of others who are not the only true God, in the sense of the basic meaning of the words, that is, power, might, strength, etc.Christian love,
RonaldQuote (ronday888 @ Jan. 05 2008,05:17) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 04 2008,22:52) Martian……> Jesus said (THOU) are the (ONLY TRUE) GOD….IF the GOD He was talking about is the (ONLY TRUE GOD) then all others are false gods, and again, while there are many so called gods, But unto Us there is only (ONE GOD).
It would not be correct to say that if there is only one true God, than all others, I assume who are referred to by the Hebrew words for “god”, are false gods. Such a proposition sets up a false dichotomy, and overlooks the Hebraic usage of the words for God, forms of EL, ELOHIM and THEOS. Jesus is not a false god because these words are used of him, but they are used of him in the same manner they are used of others who are not the only true God, in the sense of the basic meaning of the words, that is, power, might, strength, etc.Christian love,
Ronald
There are many Gods, but only one Almighty God. Jesus before He became man, was the Word God the spokesperson of God.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
verse 2 He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and nothing that was made that was made.
verse 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us…….Satan is the God of this world. When He tempted Jesus He said I will give you all this.
When you take God as a title it is so much easier to understand. The Father has a name and We know that his Son is Jesus Christ.
But that does not make them equal. Jesus said that the Father is greater then I.
And in Ephesians 4:4-6 is the prove is in the pudding.
no, just kidding, but the father is above all. If you want to know you have to check out if what I am saying is true.
1Thes 5:21 Prove all things…..Peace and Love Mrs.
Ken…….> It appears we have a conterdiction, Jesus' SAID THOU ARE THE (ONLY TRUE) GOD, But acording to your words GOD said JESUS IS GOD. If you investigate the passage you quoted more closely you may find an error in translation. And using one scripture to form a beliefe is foolish when so many other prove it differently.
And those who attribute miracle working power to Jesus or any one else are in error, There is (ONLY ONE) miracle worker and that's GOD THE FATHER, and He can do it through anyone He chooses to, but He is the one doing it. Even Jesus said He could do nothing of HIMSELF. Doesen't sound like a GOD to me. Why do YOU people want to rob GOD the FATHER of HIS GLORY. Whats inside people who want to attribute to themselves to be GOD, we need to obey HIM (NOT) BE HIM. Jesus NEVER TOOK GOD”S PLACE,EVER. But became (OBEDIENT UNTO DEATH), doesen't sound like He was acting as a GOD to me.
Mankinds drive to (BE) every GOD started in the garden of EVE and continues to this very day, and all who push this Kind of Idoalogy are themselves simply (I) gods. ” HEAR O ISRAEL THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD. and again “while there are many so called gods, but unto US there is ONLY ONE GOD”, And that one GOD is (NOT) you or Jesus or angles, or celestrial beings either. ONE GOD IN ALL AND THROUGH ALL.Some hear seam to think they have power to perform miracles , they take verses like ” if you had the faith as a grain of mustard seed you (COULD) say unto that mountain be cast into the sea and it would obey you. They fail to understand what the word (COULD) implys. Yes we COULD do it (IF THATS WHAT GOD WANTED TO DO THROUGH US), because He would have to do it we could NOT no matter how much we wanted it to happen, were (NOT) A GOD. All things are done through and by GOD power that HE wants done. Thats why we ask that we (MIGHT) recieve, and if He grants it we will have what we ask for, but be assured He (GOD) will have to do it, because we cant, no matter how much we think we can. .
IMO……gene
T8……> if you took all these Pages and went through them all you would have a very good book on the TRINITY.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 05 2008,08:15) Ken…….> It appears we have a conterdiction, Jesus' SAID THOU ARE THE (ONLY TRUE) GOD, But acording to your words GOD said JESUS IS GOD. If you investigate the passage you quoted more closely you may find an error in translation. And using one scripture to form a beliefe is foolish when so many other prove it differently. And those who attribute miracle working power to Jesus or any one else are in error, There is (ONLY ONE) miracle worker and that's GOD THE FATHER, and He can do it through anyone He chooses to, but He is the one doing it. Even Jesus said He could do nothing of HIMSELF. Doesen't sound like a GOD to me. Why do YOU people want to rob GOD the FATHER of HIS GLORY. Whats inside people who want to attribute to themselves to be GOD, we need to obey HIM (NOT) BE HIM. Jesus NEVER TOOK GOD”S PLACE,EVER. But became (OBEDIENT UNTO DEATH), doesen't sound like He was acting as a GOD to me.
Mankinds drive to (BE) every GOD started in the garden of EVE and continues to this very day, and all who push this Kind of Idoalogy are themselves simply (I) gods. ” HEAR O ISRAEL THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD. and again “while there are many so called gods, but unto US there is ONLY ONE GOD”, And that one GOD is (NOT) you or Jesus or angles, or celestrial beings either. ONE GOD IN ALL AND THROUGH ALL.Some hear seam to think they have power to perform miracles , they take verses like ” if you had the faith as a grain of mustard seed you (COULD) say unto that mountain be cast into the sea and it would obey you. They fail to understand what the word (COULD) implys. Yes we COULD do it (IF THATS WHAT GOD WANTED TO DO THROUGH US), because He would have to do it we could NOT no matter how much we wanted it to happen, were (NOT) A GOD. All things are done through and by GOD power that HE wants done. Thats why we ask that we (MIGHT) recieve, and if He grants it we will have what we ask for, but be assured He (GOD) will have to do it, because we cant, no matter how much we think we can. .
IMO……gene
Gen What does John 1;1 say?Peace and Love Mrs.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 05 2008,08:22) T8……> if you took all these Pages and went through them all you would have a very good book on the TRINITY.
Yeah a 5000 page book.Interesting to note that the reformation happened around the time of the printing press. This invention allowed the bible to be mass-produced and read by many, and for more people to write books and share their ideas.
Today we have the Internet and anything can be published by anyone and read by millions. It also seems to me that we are in another reformation, except I think it is more like a redefinition.
Today, many are questioning foundations of what they have been taught. They are not so much questioning the authority of the RCC, and her doctrines as to questioning the doctrines that are suppose to be foundational. As far as I know, these were not challenged in the reformation, although I think I heard once that the Reformation was never suppose to stop.
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 05 2008,22:29) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 05 2008,08:22) T8……> if you took all these Pages and went through them all you would have a very good book on the TRINITY.
Yeah a 5000 page book.Interesting to note that the reformation happened around the time of the printing press. This invention allowed the bible to be mass-produced and read by many, and for more people to write books and share their ideas.
Today we have the Internet and anything can be published by anyone and read by millions. It also seems to me that we are in another reformation, except I think it is more like a redefinition.
Today, many are questioning foundations of what they have been taught. They are not so much questioning the authority of the RCC, and her doctrines as to questioning the doctrines that are suppose to be foundational. As far as I know, these were not challenged in the reformation, although I think I heard once that the Reformation was never suppose to stop.
Although Servantes was burned at the stake by Joyn Calvin and his crew. Supposedly because He used the term son of God rather then God the son.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 05 2008,08:15) Ken…….> It appears we have a conterdiction, Jesus' SAID THOU ARE THE (ONLY TRUE) GOD, But acording to your words GOD said JESUS IS GOD. If you investigate the passage you quoted more closely you may find an error in translation. And using one scripture to form a beliefe is foolish when so many other prove it differently. And those who attribute miracle working power to Jesus or any one else are in error, There is (ONLY ONE) miracle worker and that's GOD THE FATHER, and He can do it through anyone He chooses to, but He is the one doing it. Even Jesus said He could do nothing of HIMSELF. Doesen't sound like a GOD to me. Why do YOU people want to rob GOD the FATHER of HIS GLORY. Whats inside people who want to attribute to themselves to be GOD, we need to obey HIM (NOT) BE HIM. Jesus NEVER TOOK GOD”S PLACE,EVER. But became (OBEDIENT UNTO DEATH), doesen't sound like He was acting as a GOD to me.
Mankinds drive to (BE) every GOD started in the garden of EVE and continues to this very day, and all who push this Kind of Idoalogy are themselves simply (I) gods. ” HEAR O ISRAEL THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD. and again “while there are many so called gods, but unto US there is ONLY ONE GOD”, And that one GOD is (NOT) you or Jesus or angles, or celestrial beings either. ONE GOD IN ALL AND THROUGH ALL.Some hear seam to think they have power to perform miracles , they take verses like ” if you had the faith as a grain of mustard seed you (COULD) say unto that mountain be cast into the sea and it would obey you. They fail to understand what the word (COULD) implys. Yes we COULD do it (IF THATS WHAT GOD WANTED TO DO THROUGH US), because He would have to do it we could NOT no matter how much we wanted it to happen, were (NOT) A GOD. All things are done through and by GOD power that HE wants done. Thats why we ask that we (MIGHT) recieve, and if He grants it we will have what we ask for, but be assured He (GOD) will have to do it, because we cant, no matter how much we think we can. .
IMO……gene
Gene I'm certainly NOT saying that I'm the God. If Heb. 1:8-9 is mistranslated I don't know. But The word says we are children of God and brothers of Jesus.NO ONE has power in themselves to do anything at all! As you say Jesus Himself said that it was the Father IN HIM who did the miracles. But as children~as Jesus~we can be~ IF WE HAVE FAITH~ vessels for GOD.
IMHO Satan keeps us under wraps by giving us the “not worthy” LIE! If we were not worthy God would have never sacrificed His Son.
YES if “We” had the faith as small as a mustard seed we could do the same Fatrher's work that Jesus did! But NOT faith in ourselves but faith that God is able to USE us ~our sin being forgiven~!
So in this respect we are gods because we are God's children just as Jesus but Jesus being the first fruit.
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
I am a son of God and all who are born again of the Spirit are sons and daughters of God.
Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Eph 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:Rom 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
DO WE? Do we have the mind of Christ? Do we speak the same thing?
This site is full of believers but none speak the same. If we ALL had the MIND of Christ would we not be ONE! And if we were ONE would we be able to do the Father's work?
What is our PLACE in the body? EVERY part of the body must work for the body to function. But if the foot does the work of the hand then how is the body to walk!
EVERYONE has different gifts. Not everyone speaks in tongues do they?
1Co 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
1Co 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.IMHO This is the problem “WE” don't know what our part in the Body of Christ is! In order for the Healer to lay hands on the sick he must have hands NOT feet that want to be Hands! Therefore the body of Christ FOR NOW I see as a cripple.
The smallest part of the body is just as important as the most functional part of the body. Each depends on the other to function.
Let “US” seek our part in the body listening to the inner man, the new man under guidance 0f the Spirit. Is it “OUR” pride that prevents God's will in our lives? Not wanting to be the feet or even the smallest toe, but wanting to be in the spotlight always wanting to be the speaker and NOT the DOER!
We are only one in one respect~ believing in Jesus~. Seems as the body of Christ is still as a Babe! Still unable to WALK!
If one wants to speak instead 0f being the hand then HOW is the body able to do the work of the hand WHEN NEEDED? And further how is anyone to understand a hand TRYING to speak and confusing the language of the TRUE speaker?!
Again and again my prayer is that we become ONE!
It does not appear that scripture will be fulfilled in my remaining life on earth. Will all the bodily functions finally come together to work for the purpose of GOD and STAND and WALK?
Keep the commandments of GOD and faith in Jesus.
Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,03:18) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 05 2008,08:15) Ken…….> It appears we have a conterdiction, Jesus' SAID THOU ARE THE (ONLY TRUE) GOD, But acording to your words GOD said JESUS IS GOD. If you investigate the passage you quoted more closely you may find an error in translation. And using one scripture to form a beliefe is foolish when so many other prove it differently. And those who attribute miracle working power to Jesus or any one else are in error, There is (ONLY ONE) miracle worker and that's GOD THE FATHER, and He can do it through anyone He chooses to, but He is the one doing it. Even Jesus said He could do nothing of HIMSELF. Doesen't sound like a GOD to me. Why do YOU people want to rob GOD the FATHER of HIS GLORY. Whats inside people who want to attribute to themselves to be GOD, we need to obey HIM (NOT) BE HIM. Jesus NEVER TOOK GOD”S PLACE,EVER. But became (OBEDIENT UNTO DEATH), doesen't sound like He was acting as a GOD to me.
Mankinds drive to (BE) every GOD started in the garden of EVE and continues to this very day, and all who push this Kind of Idoalogy are themselves simply (I) gods. ” HEAR O ISRAEL THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD. and again “while there are many so called gods, but unto US there is ONLY ONE GOD”, And that one GOD is (NOT) you or Jesus or angles, or celestrial beings either. ONE GOD IN ALL AND THROUGH ALL.Some hear seam to think they have power to perform miracles , they take verses like ” if you had the faith as a grain of mustard seed you (COULD) say unto that mountain be cast into the sea and it would obey you. They fail to understand what the word (COULD) implys. Yes we COULD do it (IF THATS WHAT GOD WANTED TO DO THROUGH US), because He would have to do it we could NOT no matter how much we wanted it to happen, were (NOT) A GOD. All things are done through and by GOD power that HE wants done. Thats why we ask that we (MIGHT) recieve, and if He grants it we will have what we ask for, but be assured He (GOD) will have to do it, because we cant, no matter how much we think we can. .
IMO……gene
Gene I'm certainly NOT saying that I'm the God. If Heb. 1:8-9 is mistranslated I don't know. But The word says we are children of God and brothers of Jesus.NO ONE has power in themselves to do anything at all! As you say Jesus Himself said that it was the Father IN HIM who did the miracles. But as children~as Jesus~we can be~ IF WE HAVE FAITH~ vessels for GOD.
IMHO Satan keeps us under wraps by giving us the “not worthy” LIE! If we were not worthy God would have never sacrificed His Son.
YES if “We” had the faith as small as a mustard seed we could do the same Fatrher's work that Jesus did! But NOT faith in ourselves but faith that God is able to USE us ~our sin being forgiven~!
So in this respect we are gods because we are God's children just as Jesus but Jesus being the first fruit.
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
I am a son of God and all who are born again of the Spirit are sons and daughters of God.
Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Eph 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:Rom 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
DO WE? Do we have the mind of Christ? Do we speak the same thing?
This site is full of believers but none speak the same. If we ALL had the MIND of Christ would we not be ONE! And if we were ONE would we be able to do the Father's work?
What is our PLACE in the body? EVERY part of the body must work for the body to function. But if the foot does the work of the hand then how is the body to walk!
EVERYONE has different gifts. Not everyone speaks in tongues do they?
1Co 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
1Co 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.IMHO This is the problem “WE” don't know what our part in the Body of Christ is! In order for the Healer to lay hands on the sick he must have hands NOT feet that want to be Hands! Therefore the body of Christ FOR NOW I see as a cripple.
The smallest part of the body is just as important as the most functional part of the body. Each depends on the other to function.
Let “US” seek our part in the body listening to the inner man, the new man under guidance 0f the Spirit. Is it “OUR” pride that prevents God's will in our lives? Not wanting to be the feet or even the smallest toe, but wanting to be in the spotlight always wanting to be the speaker and NOT the DOER!
We are only one in one respect~ believing in Jesus~. Seems as the body of Christ is still as a Babe! Still unable to WALK!
If one wants to speak instead 0f being the hand then HOW is the body able to do the work of the hand WHEN NEEDED? And further how is anyone to understand a hand TRYING to speak and confusing the language of the TRUE speaker?!
Again and again my prayer is that we become ONE!
It does not appear that scripture will be fulfilled in my remaining life on earth. Will all t
he bodily functions finally come together to work for the purpose of GOD and STAND and WALK?Keep the commandments of GOD and faith in Jesus.
Ken I agree with you and also pray that one day all of us will agree with each other and hold each other up rather then tearing us down like we have been doing in some instances.
I would like nothing better to be able to be united in Christ Jesus and all Brethren in Christ and praise our Heavenly Father. That is what Jesus wants us to do. Thank you for given us all those scriptures, have a nice Sabbath Ken.Peace and Love Mrs.
Ken…..> I agree with most of what you said, except for the part of “satan has caused us to believe the (not worthy) LIE. I believe it's the other way around His has caused people to believe (I AM A GOD) LIE
infact God said He looked for one righteous man and could find none, wherefore it says He took it upon Himself to bring salvation. It say's in 2thes the man of sin sits in the temple of GOD showing himself He is god. Are we not temples that GOD dwells in, and if we are saying we are gods are we not sinning. I maintain the words of Jesus when He expressed that there is (ONLY ONE TRUE GOD) and if there is only one (TRUE GOD) then all else are not (TURE GOD”S) ,Jesus even said “why are you calling me GOOD, there is ONLY ONE who is GOOD and thats GOD. GOD lives in all things that doesen't makes all things GOD. I know we are all childern of God and are to image or reflect HIM through our lives, in fact it's His very Spirit that brings this about. So let's give the Father the credit He deserves and not steal what doesen't belong to Us. We are GOD”S workmanship, (CREATED) unto good works. The biggest problem with people is (PRIDE) and many afflictions are a result of it. It's enough for me to be forgiven and accepted by GOD THE FATHER and walk in fellowship with HIM, I don't need to try to be a god, to me there is only ONE GOD, it's not Jesus ,Me , or anyone else other than the FATHER.IMHO….have a good sabbath……gene
Gen Corinth. 15:28 God will be all in all. That does not make us God? Not the Almighty God nobody ever can take His place, but just as the Father called Jesus my God in Hebrew, are we not going to be called God also. I look at it like my last name. He made us in His image you know?
Peace and Love Mrs.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 06 2008,05:49) Ken…..> I agree with most of what you said, except for the part of “satan has caused us to believe the (not worthy) LIE. I believe it's the other way around His has caused people to believe (I AM A GOD) LIE
infact God said He looked for one righteous man and could find none, wherefore it says He took it upon Himself to bring salvation. It say's in 2thes the man of sin sits in the temple of GOD showing himself He is god. Are we not temples that GOD dwells in, and if we are saying we are gods are we not sinning. I maintain the words of Jesus when He expressed that there is (ONLY ONE TRUE GOD) and if there is only one (TRUE GOD) then all else are not (TURE GOD”S) ,Jesus even said “why are you calling me GOOD, there is ONLY ONE who is GOOD and thats GOD. GOD lives in all things that doesen't makes all things GOD. I know we are all childern of God and are to image or reflect HIM through our lives, in fact it's His very Spirit that brings this about. So let's give the Father the credit He deserves and not steal what doesen't belong to Us. We are GOD”S workmanship, (CREATED) unto good works. The biggest problem with people is (PRIDE) and many afflictions are a result of it. It's enough for me to be forgiven and accepted by GOD THE FATHER and walk in fellowship with HIM, I don't need to try to be a god, to me there is only ONE GOD, it's not Jesus ,Me , or anyone else other than the FATHER.IMHO….have a good sabbath……gene
Oh Yeah for the atheist he is God because there is NO God! But the Christian~ even after His Sacrifice~ Still believe they are not worthy. My sin has been forgiven. IN fact I sin no more!1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
See spiritually I cannot sin.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.IM4truth……GOD THE FATHER never said (MY GOD) to Jesus . But He did say He was the only GOD, and there was no other. Jesus had a GOD and it wasn't His self. WE, Jesus,the prophets, a donkey,a burnning bush, or anything else, GOD can speak through, but that doesen't make it or them (GOD). Only (PRIDE) makes people think there a God. If you or anyone else here think they are a God then take the simple test, change a glass of water to wine.
Ken…….> We are saved by (GRACE) and that (not) of ourselves (or because we think we are worthy), but through the love of God . GOD has made us worthy of salvation through the Blood of Jesus and it has nothing to do with (OUR OWN WORTHINESS). It's Jesus' worthiness that is applied to Us by the FATHER that brings us salvation, again nothing to do with (OUR WORTHINESS). If we doin't view it right we will become proud and puffed up. “GOD resists the PROUD and gives GRACE to the (HUMBLE). (SELF) worth is the source of PRIDE and is carnel. For all thats in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the (PRIDE) of life are FROM the world, and the world is passing away and the lust with it. Be carefull your self worth doesent turn into Pride.
“Humble yourself before the mighty hand of GOD and in do time He shall raise you up.”.IMHO………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 07 2008,06:03) IM4truth……GOD THE FATHER never said (MY GOD) to Jesus . But He did say He was the only GOD, and there was no other. Jesus had a GOD and it wasn't His self. WE, Jesus,the prophets, a donkey,a burnning bush, or anything else, GOD can speak through, but that doesen't make it or them (GOD). Only (PRIDE) makes people think there a God. If you or anyone else here think they are a God then take the simple test, change a glass of water to wine. Ken…….> We are saved by (GRACE) and that (not) of ourselves (or because we think we are worthy), but through the love of God . GOD has made us worthy of salvation through the Blood of Jesus and it has nothing to do with (OUR OWN WORTHINESS). It's Jesus' worthiness that is applied to Us by the FATHER that brings us salvation, again nothing to do with (OUR WORTHINESS). If we doin't view it right we will become proud and puffed up. “GOD resists the PROUD and gives GRACE to the (HUMBLE). (SELF) worth is the source of PRIDE and is carnel. For all thats in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the (PRIDE) of life are FROM the world, and the world is passing away and the lust with it. Be carefull your self worth doesent turn into Pride.
“Humble yourself before the mighty hand of GOD and in do time He shall raise you up.”.IMHO………gene
What's so odd about turning water into wine. God did it through Jesus the man and said we would do greater things.Part of your problem is symantics. The term God/Theos primarily means God but it can mean representative of God too. Also the Hebrews treated revealings of God as God himself.
Gen In Hebrew 1:8 it says But to the Son He says:” Your Throne O God is forever and ever…
The father called Jesus God. That is what I meant I guess my slipt in. But never the less He was called God by the Father. God is a title used for many, just like Satan is called God of this world.Peace and Love Mrs.
Martian……> odd has nothing to do with it, If you are a GOD it should be easy for you. But i am willing to bet you can't now or ever will be able to do it. Jesus never did it either it was GOD who performed that mircale not the Man Jesus, as well as all the Healings that were performed.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 07 2008,06:03) IM4truth……GOD THE FATHER never said (MY GOD) to Jesus . But He did say He was the only GOD, and there was no other. Jesus had a GOD and it wasn't His self. WE, Jesus,the prophets, a donkey,a burnning bush, or anything else, GOD can speak through, but that doesen't make it or them (GOD). Only (PRIDE) makes people think there a God. If you or anyone else here think they are a God then take the simple test, change a glass of water to wine. Ken…….> We are saved by (GRACE) and that (not) of ourselves (or because we think we are worthy), but through the love of God . GOD has made us worthy of salvation through the Blood of Jesus and it has nothing to do with (OUR OWN WORTHINESS). It's Jesus' worthiness that is applied to Us by the FATHER that brings us salvation, again nothing to do with (OUR WORTHINESS). If we doin't view it right we will become proud and puffed up. “GOD resists the PROUD and gives GRACE to the (HUMBLE). (SELF) worth is the source of PRIDE and is carnel. For all thats in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the (PRIDE) of life are FROM the world, and the world is passing away and the lust with it. Be carefull your self worth doesent turn into Pride.
“Humble yourself before the mighty hand of GOD and in do time He shall raise you up.”.IMHO………gene
I said BECAUSE OF JESUS OUR SIN IS FORGIVEN! I ALSO SAID THAT WE CAN DO NOTHING. But the FATHER who works through us. If you are not a child of God then you won't carry His Name.What is the stature and fullness of Christ?
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Quote Be carefull your self worth doesent turn into Pride. Now what is that supose to mean? As I said I CAN DO NOTHING AND IT IS BECAUSE OF CHRIST THAT MY SINS ARE FORGIVEN!
Nevertheless the Father called His Son GOD! Scripture says we are His brethren. Does this not mean that we are God's children?
Never mind Gene
Think what you want! 
W.J. Are you going to answer my Question, I see you here? Ephesians 4:4-6
The Father is greater then. And other sciptures that say that the Father is greater.
Quote (IM4Truth @ Jan. 08 2008,12:02) W.J. Are you going to answer my Question, I see you here? Ephesians 4:4-6 The Father is greater then. And other sciptures that say that the Father is greater.
mrsHere it is again…
Quote (IM4Truth @ Jan. 08 2008,07:19) W.J. I do not know how many time that i asked you about Ephesians 4:4-6 ….God the Father who is above all….
Which makes the trinity wrong according to this scripture. How do you explain that?Preace and Love Mrs.
mrsDo you even read my post?
Again, I have responded to your ambiguous interpretation of Eph 4.
Its in the trinity thread. Page 956
Why dont you take what I have written there concerning those scriptures and show me where I am in error?
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