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I'm not in doubt.
I will have to admit that I believe my FAITH is certainly being tested.
However, I know that Jesus is LORD…and GOD the Father is the ALMIGHTY I AM THAT I AM.
Now…how ever everyone else wants to perceive the scripture…or debate about this and that…I'm just asking why can't they answer me one simple question about their belief.
I know some people better get their FAITH right…and quit trying to prove GOD wrong in something, or make his word out to be a contradiction…or a lie. Because thats not the case. And, when you are standing in front of him trying to babble out some excuse for your actions …its going to be to late then.
What do people think this is some kind of a game? Some kind of prove the other person or the bible wrong game? I don't know about you…but my Soul, and My GOD, is not a game. Its the REAL DEAL.
Some people Don't know what the real deal is I'm thinking.
haha…I got another question…this is funny
I guess when all the Pentecostals get to heaven and some Baptists are up there too…are they going to request their own side of heaven or something? lol I mean seriously…how ungodly is this type of childish behavior?
It's human nature to think you are the only one with the truth. In a very small town there can be a corner with 4 different churches on each. It's amazing.
Division will rule until we are united with our Lord and home forever with our God. We can pray for unity, and I believe, experience some measure of unity, but we will always be divided until the end.
Samuel Jesus is the Son of God, that will never make Him the Almighty God and Father of all.
Ephesians 4:4-6 There is one body and one Spirit, just as we are called in hope of your calling, one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one GOD AND FATHER OF ALL, WHO IS ABOVE ALL, AND THROUGH US ALL, AND IN US ALL.
ALWAYS PROVE TO YOURSELF BY THE SCRIPTURES AND STAY STRONG IN JESUS CHRIST. THAT FAITH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF OUR CHRISTIAN LIFE. NEVER DOUBT THE LOVE OF GOD. AND MOST OF ALL PRAY, PRAY, PRAY. AMENPeace and Love Mrs.
Quote (Samuel @ Oct. 26 2007,17:52) Another thing….if JESUS IS GOD will someone please answer me this question…PLEASE:
Why does JESUS not know when the Father…(GOD), will tell him to come back for his church.
Sure. Here is your answer, straight from scripture.Philippians 2:5-7
6who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.2 Corinthians 8:9
9For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich.Hebrews 2:9
9But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.Existed in the form of God (was rich)…… emptied Himself (became poor). While He was here on Earth he was in an emptied state, now He is upholding the entire created order by the power of His word (Heb 1:3). Evidently He is no longer empty….
Many Blessings.
Quote (Samuel @ Oct. 26 2007,17:52) I'm really starting to question a lot of what everyone is saying. If JESUS was GOD himself why did he not just say “Hey yall I'm GOD” there is only one time in the whole bible that I know of (if there is any other instances please post them so that I might study them myself) where JESUS is accused of saying that he was the “I AM”….and thats when they asked him “Hey are you really the Son of GOD”…and he says “I AM”. Thats in no way form of fashion saying that I AM the I AM GOD ALMIGHTY…if thats what he was trying to say I believe thats what he would have said.
Another thing….if JESUS IS GOD will someone please answer me this question…PLEASE:
Why does JESUS not know when the Father…(GOD), will tell him to come back for his church.Everyone has beat around this question and himhaw'd around about it saying that “Well…you see his spirit don't know what his body knows or some HOGWASH lame brained excuse of why he don't know the answer to this question. When in FACT I honestly believe that He (Jesus/ the SON of GOD) don't know when the day or hour is because he is in fact NOT GOD himself. If GOD is all knowing …and GOD is JESUS than this would make GOD a lier …and GOD's not a lier he can't lie. So…That means that some men are lying. Now who is it?
Samuel……> welcome to my world brother, I have tried to get straight answers myself to many of these questions. And what about were Jesus Say's “For THOU art the ONLY true GOD,
and again “I am going to MY GOD AND YOUR GOD MY FATHER AND YOUR FATHER.Like you say lame brain answers.
peace to you and yours………..gene
Quote (Is 1:18 @ Oct. 26 2007,01:53) Quote (Samuel @ Oct. 26 2007,17:52) Another thing….if JESUS IS GOD will someone please answer me this question…PLEASE:
Why does JESUS not know when the Father…(GOD), will tell him to come back for his church.
Sure. Here is your answer, straight from scripture.Philippians 2:5-7
6who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.2 Corinthians 8:9
9For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich.Hebrews 2:9
9But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.Existed in the form of God (was rich)…… emptied Himself (became poor). While He was here on Earth he was in an emptied state, now He is upholding the entire created order by the power of His word (Heb 1:3). Evidently He is no longer empty….
Many Blessings.
Hey IS, Good to “see” you
. I have one question related to this: if Yeshua did not know because he took on humanity, what about the Holy Spirit? The verse specifically says only the Father knows.Mat 24:36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone
Therefore, if your argument that Yeshua is God but does not know because of his humanity, what limits the Holy Spirit as another “person” of God, from knowing as well?
Kejonn….> good question, The only answer is the Spirit is God and because it's in you it's still subject to God Himself. “howbit when the Spirit comes it will Not speak of it own, but whatsoever it hears that is what it will speak”. So while the Spirit is our link with the Father it's still under His control, and only reveals what God want's it to. You might say it our phone line, but the person talking on the side is the Father, And He speaks to us after the council of His own WILL.
peace to you and yours brother……….geneQuote (Is 1:18 @ Oct. 26 2007,18:53) Quote (Samuel @ Oct. 26 2007,17:52) Another thing….if JESUS IS GOD will someone please answer me this question…PLEASE:
Why does JESUS not know when the Father…(GOD), will tell him to come back for his church.
Sure. Here is your answer, straight from scripture.Philippians 2:5-7
6who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.2 Corinthians 8:9
9For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich.Hebrews 2:9
9But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.Existed in the form of God (was rich)…… emptied Himself (became poor). While He was here on Earth he was in an emptied state, now He is upholding the entire created order by the power of His word (Heb 1:3). Evidently He is no longer empty….
Many Blessings.
Isa 1:18…..> you did not answer Samuel's question, and how could God empty Himself of being GOD. Your answers are ilogical and are a deversion from the specific question, which was How could Jesus be God as you trinitarians say
and not Know the time of the end.The most straight forward and Honest answer is, because He is not God. And He never said He was by the way.
IMO…….gene
to All…..> our biggest problem here is we force the texts, by saying they say something that the text does not (Spicifically) state.
For instance Isa 1:18 say's that Jesus who existed (actually say's existing in the (form of God) means it say's Jesus is God. When infact it does not spicificly say that. This is what is called forcing the text.
Another example is John 1:1, does anyone see the word Jesus there NO. But triniatrians force the text to say it means that, when in fact it doesen't say that at all.
another example is where it say's that (Christ ) was that Rock that fallowed the childern of Israel in the wilderness. They forcew the text to say Jesus when it does not spicifically say that, it Says the Christos or Annointing which is God's Spirit was the Rock the was following the childern of Israel.
And when you narrow them down to a specific text then It change the subject time or say it a mystery of some kind.
Samuel…you said it right lame brain answers.
IMO……..geneQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 26 2007,11:07) Kejonn….> good question, The only answer is the Spirit is God and because it's in you it's still subject to God Himself. “howbit when the Spirit comes it will Not speak of it own, but whatsoever it hears that is what it will speak”. So while the Spirit is our link with the Father it's still under His control, and only reveals what God want's it to. You might say it our phone line, but the person talking on the side is the Father, And He speaks to us after the council of His own WILL.
peace to you and yours brother……….gene
Gene,Yes, but you and I both know none of this applies to the 3rd member of a 3-in-1 deity. After all, they are to be co-equal, co-eternal, etc. So while this answer is certainly true it can't be if the Holy Spirit is another “person” of God who did not empty “himself” and take on humanity. If any of the trinitarians seek that answer, then it will just show that the Holy Spirit is indeed not another “person” of God.
Quote Quote (Samuel @ Oct. 26 2007,17:52)
Another thing….if JESUS IS GOD will someone please answer me this question…PLEASE:
Why does JESUS not know when the Father…(GOD), will tell him to come back for his church.Sure. Here is your answer, straight from scripture.
Philippians 2:5-7
6who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.2 Corinthians 8:9
9For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich.Hebrews 2:9
9But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.Existed in the form of God (was rich)…… emptied Himself (became poor). While He was here on Earth he was in an emptied state, now He is upholding the entire created order by the power of His word (Heb 1:3). Evidently He is no longer empty….
Many Blessings.
Are you serious? At best this scripture stats simply that JESUS was “Pre-existent” in the “Form of GOD” notice that is does not say “AS GOD” but it says instead “In the FORM of GOD” Now…I don't know about you but what I get from reading that is that JESUS existed in the same manner that GOD exist now. Which is in SPIRIT. I know that there is “One” GOD, which is spirit…and “No man hath seen GOD at any time”. So…At best this scripture stats that Jesus existed with GOD as SPIRIT…or in the same fashion that GOD exists. And just because JESUS emptied himself and became poor…don't mean that GOD did. And what about the Holy Spirit?
Why does Jesus pray to GOD?
Why does Jesus Call GOD “His” GOD?
Why does he not know the day or hour when he will return to get his church?
Why does GOD tell him that he will make his enemy's his Footstool? If GOD is Jesus…and Jesus has already Risen to return to his status as GOD as this doctrine would have us believe…then why does GOD need someone or something to make his enemy's his footstool?The doctrine just don't add up…I'm sorry. There are too many questions that arise or need to be explained with a Oneness or a Trinity belief. Which really its super silly IMO. Oneness believe that GOD is GOD, Jesus is GOD, and the Holy Spirit is GOD…and they all exist in “One” Being or Deity. Trinity believe that GOD is GOD, Jesus is GOD, and the Holy Spirit is GOD and they are “Three” Different Beings or Deity's…but basically both of these doctrines are pretty much saying the same thing…that they are all god. Oneness just claims they only serve “ONE” GOD because They believe they are all “ONE” but they are not. Jesus is NOT GOD. He just is not…I do not believe it is so. God help me if I'm wrong. JESUS is GODS SON. Just like I am my Dad's SON. So is JESUS GODS SON.
Its really not that hard to understand. Really its not. It's pretty simple.
Yes…I do agree there is ONE ALMIGHTY GOD…the I AM THAT I AM GOD. But, Jesus is not that GOD…He is that GODS SON.
How can people not understand this?
I can't see how people can't understand this?Why is Jesus at the right hand of the Father?
Why does GOD state from Heaven that JESUS is his SON in whom he is well pleased…and send a dove in the form of his spirit to represent the HOLY GHOST/or HOLY SPIRIT.Why do devils and unclean spirits refer to him as GODS SON? They obviously know who GOD is …but instead they refer to JESUS not as GOD…which is what the doctrines would have us believe…but as THE SON OF GOD. See…even the minions of darkness know more than we do. That just sad people.
Quote Quote (Samuel @ Oct. 26 2007,17:52)
Another thing….if JESUS IS GOD will someone please answer me this question…PLEASE:
Why does JESUS not know when the Father…(GOD), will tell him to come back for his church.Sure. Here is your answer, straight from scripture.
Philippians 2:5-7
6who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.2 Corinthians 8:9
9For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich.Hebrews 2:9
9But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.Isaiah;
How is your response inconsistent with the call of the question?
Existing in the form of God is not God, it is the image of God. The Son is the express image of the Father, but subject to the Father in all things and always has been. All power Christ possessed was given to him from his Father.
On another note, I'm overjoyed that you see that Jesus existed with his Father before he emptied himself and came down from heaven.
Take Care
Steven
And…
I really don't want to attack anyones FAITH here but this is the way I sort of see things as well.
To say that JESUS is not the LORD JESUS CHRIST the Living Christ…the Son of GOD and the Son of Man. And that he did not come in the FLESH. Is in fact that spirit of ANTI-CHRIST. This is what the bible tells me. IT IS WRITTEN!
1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.Now…before anyone thinks I'm personally attacking them…let me say…I do feel that the Trinitarians and the UPC's/Apostolic (ONENESS) people really do love GOD….and are super sincere…but after hard praying and hard studying…I believe that they are both wrong in their belief.
I do feel that GOD knows that they mean well, I don't feel that he would have them perish…unless they have of course been showed the truth and refused it…then you might have some problems.
However, I've never in my life heard that you have to be baptized in water until going to this Apostolic church. I've known people to get baptized…but never been taught that you needed it to go to heaven. And…if that is the case…then they are STILL WRONG! Because if it IS required to be SAVED…then when they have an alter call ….they should have a baptism as well. But they don't…So…in essence they are preaching a talk but not walking the Walk.
Yeah…thats right…if your gonna talk it walk it.
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Quote (Samuel @ Oct. 26 2007,17:52)
Another thing….if JESUS IS GOD will someone please answer me this question…PLEASE:
Why does JESUS not know when the Father…(GOD), will tell him to come back for his church.Sure. Here is your answer, straight from scripture.
Philippians 2:5-7
6who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.2 Corinthians 8:9
9For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich.Hebrews 2:9
9But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.Isaiah;
How is your response inconsistent with the call of the question?
Existing in the form of God is not God, it is the image of God. The Son is the express image of the Father, but subject to the Father in all things and always has been. All power Christ possessed was given to him from his Father.
On another note, I'm overjoyed that you see that Jesus existed with his Father before he emptied himself and came down from heaven.
Take Care
Yeah…now we are getting somewhere aren't we?
Quote Why is Jesus at the right hand of the Father?
Why does GOD state from Heaven that JESUS is his SON in whom he is well pleased…and send a dove in the form of his spirit to represent the HOLY GHOST/or HOLY SPIRIT.Why do devils and unclean spirits refer to him as GODS SON? They obviously know who GOD is …but instead they refer to JESUS not as GOD…which is what the doctrines would have us believe…but as THE SON OF GOD. See…even the minions of darkness know more than we do. That just sad people.
I'm not sure what it is about your posts but you seem so sincere I can't help but post you back and just tell you how nice it is to read your post.
BTW, you have identified a truth that most ignore, which is that Christ is referred to as the Son of God by substantially everyone that recognized who he was including demons, soldiers, angels, the Father, and of course his own disciples. It's very powerful to see how consistent the scriptures are in this respect. Even though the four gospels differ with respect to certain stories they all state he is the Son of God.
Take Care
Steven
Well…brother I've really been doing some praying and some studying….I mean you just don't know.
I've had some things laid on my heart.
I can tell you what the answer to all my questions are…some won't agree with me or believe me…but nonetheless I can tell you…
Gene already answered them…the answer is quite simple.
JESUS IS NOT GOD! GOD IS GOD…and JESUS IS HIS SON!
Pretty cool eh?
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