The serpent in the Garden of Eden

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  • #821474
    GeneBalthrop
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    NICK….IF YOU CAN’T FIND FAULT IN WHAT I HAVE SAID, HOW IS IT YOU CAST DESPERSIONS? NOW IF YOU CAN THEN PLEASE PRESENT THEM THEN YOU MAY HAVE A POINT, BUT IF YOU CAN’T THEN AS I HAVE SAID, WHY CAST DESPERSIONS, ESPICALLY IF YOU HAVEN’T “ANY” UNDERSTANDINGS or REVELATIONS THAT YOU CAN OFFER ON THE SUBJECT MATTER. IF YOU HAD THE GIFT OF REAVELING PROPHECY YOU WOULD EASLY UNDERSTAND WHAT I HAVE SAID. BUT YOU SEEM TO DESPISE THAT GIFT, BUT WHAT DOES SCRIPTURE SAY?

    1Cor 14:26-40….please read this Nick, remember i seek to edify not to harm any.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #821477
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    Read it thanks.

    We move towards unity.

    peace

     

     

    #821478
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    The word LUCIFER only occurs once in the bible, In Is 14.

    It has no witnesses.

     

    So your suggestion that Ez 28, and Ps 109 confirm it do not relate.

    Rev 12 would be the ideal place to find it but it is not there.

    #821489
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Nick

    Did you ever do a word search on the word? I have:

    Lucifer means: ‘to boast or make a showing and selfish rage or praise’.
    The name Lucifer also means ‘giver of light and bright morning star’.

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #821492
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    What is your point?

     

    I agree that Satan may well be the subject of the Ezekiel and Isaiah passages.

    Satan can also present himself as an angel of light.

    #821493
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    Of course Satan can refer to the individual or just one of his demonic servants.

    Such as:

    ”Get behind me satan..”

    #821494
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    And Lk 9.55 when Jesus rebuked the sons of Zebedee

    ”You do not know what kind of spirit you are of:

    for the Son of man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them”

    #821495
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Edj…..The word lucifer is not relating to Satan, but is part of a proverb directed at the king of Babylon. The king of Babylon was a rising star a (lucifer) on the world seen . Satan is not called a lucifer any in scriptures.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #821499
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    What is your point?

    (1)I agree that Satan may well be the subject of the Ezekiel and Isaiah passages.

    (2)Satan can also present himself as an angel of light.

    Thank you Nick for making my point for me!

    1) Lucifer means: ‘to boast or make a showing and selfish rage or praise’.
    2) The name Lucifer also means ‘giver of light and bright morning star’.

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #821500
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    NICK….THE WORD LUCIFER MEANS A “RISING” STAR, THE TERM IS STILL USED TODAY, THE MORNING STAR (SUN) IS A RISING STAR, THAT WORD NEVER APPLIED TO Satan, it applied to a “human” ruler, the king of Babylon was who the ‘PROVERB” was directed to. False religion has applied it to Satan the devil. But that was not who that “Proverb” was sent to.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

    #821502
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    Satan is not an angel of light.

    But by your dodgy logic all the faithful angels of light could be called lucifers.

     

    More specific about what?

     

    #821503
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    Man is a vessel.

    The Spirit knows what is inside a man.

    The message was not only for the kingly vessel but the contents too.

    #821505
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Ed,
    More specific about what?

    Hi Nick,

    What do you want to know about Romans 8 ?

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #821506
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    Satan can also present himself as an angel of light.

    Hi Ed,

    Satan is not an angel of light.

    Make up your mind

    #821508
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    Why are you confused?

    For you does

    ”can present himself as”

    really mean the same as

    ”is”

    ??

     

    #821509
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    Again.

    Romans 8 speaks of the Spirit in many places and in many different ways.

    Your dogma says that there are Two Spirits.

    So please define which Spirit is being spoken of in each instance in Rom 8.

    Which spirit is called the Holy Spirit?

    Then there is 1 Cor 2 , 1 Cor 12, Eph 4 to sort through,  and a myriad other places in scripture.

    #821525
    princess
    Participant

    Hi Nick,
    what’s the word humming bird

    easy to the conclude; the bible (whichever version you use) you are referring is given to you by a multiple of people, all who indented the word of life to be in it’s truest form.
    why should one have to work for finding the word of life, right?

    Here you go let’s place this word right on your lap, it’s all here, everything. God. It’s a male, not a human male, portrays a son. blood & fear is to come. the atrocities within your word of life, teach children. come out of the gate with the crucifixion, blood washing sins away, god’s son but god, sacrifice of a son (that old you not fooling me twice sacrifice). that teaching doesn’t come till later in life. kinds flips their world upside down. all rainbows, clouds, butterflies, sunshine. to the blood. the old bait and switch.

    why do you think the generations are turning away from your word of life, due to the devil (isn’t it strange devil backwards is lived, remove the d and it becomes evil, weird huh?)

    blood spilled, gains purification. in your word of life. blood is life of word. in your words. which is your food & drink source, just to be clear referring to flesh by using the word food. a form of wor ship to your word of life.
    deciphering the word of life is either literal, physical, spiritual or all three.

    the crispness of it shouldn’t be ring around the rosie, go here to go there and don’t forget over here. cross reference this to this and no that’s not it, yes it is. on and on and on. def a communication break down.
    its madness Nick, however do you do it.

    ?your not familiar with Marconi method. to understand the true meaning of it all.
    truth can be false, false can be truth. it’s the readers interpretation that determines it is true or false to them.

    so you think the old word of life was written for those that can not connect with spirit. even in your own word of life, spirit is the teacher, not the book.

    a fruit is bruised, one does not discard the whole fruit. you’re well aware to remove it and enjoy the benefits it does for the body and soul. then again some may not see the bruise till the bite into it, then there is a choice to either eat of it or discard the portion and check the remaining. same as choosing your faith. the fruit is good for the body, then it happens to us all, the bite of the word of life is bruised, then your choice happens. some continue to eat, some discard it and continue on.

    it all doesn’t have to sit well with you, one of the few things that humanity hasn’t grasped yet. it doesn’t have to sit well within your soul. it’s a mind boggling experience when it happens. in  your word of life it is all or nothing, and the funny thing about it is, you didn’t even make that rule, you choose to accept it.

    read another book

    #821526
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi princess,

    Yes there are other choices.

    Witchery and it’s fascinations for example.

    But the prize is worth it and the end of choice is nigh for many.

    #821527
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Princess,

    Yes it is an amazing journey  Beginning with deep anxiety and yet awareness of God. No bridge long enough.

    Beguiled by false religion and self effort with it’s rituals and apparent divine satisfactions, but just emptiness.

    Stunned by the Book of Acts.

    Finding unexpected beauty and harmony in the bible.The reality of the Spirit still available and still effective.

    Decision time but only one choice. Walk alone if you must, but never really alone.

    Peace and no regrets as the light continues to get brighter..

     

     

    #821531
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Princess,

    Yes the biggest miracle is that

     

    despite the variation in authors over time

    despite the handling by foolish men

    despite the translators flaws

     

    the bible is the living truth and a trustworthy message from God to all generations.

    A shining  light in an ever darkening world.

    God proves Himself again.

     

    The words of the Lord are pure words;

    as silver tried in the furnace on the earth, refined 7 times.

    You O Lord will keep them;

    You will preserve him from this generation forever.

    The wicked strut about on every side

    when vileness is exalted among the sons of men.

    Ps 12

    Your Word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.

    ps 119

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