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But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves… who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. 19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual,
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat,
taste and sight are SENSUAL and it was what DREW Eve to eat of the fruit, that is what she KNEW NATURALLY, like a brute beast.
Nick, honestly I am beginning to think you have absolutely NO COMPREHENSION of scripture.
Hi Jodi,
According to scripture the first response of Eve to the question of the serpent was to reiterate what God had instructed them.
The temptation of the devil was to question the truth of what God had said-
“ye shall not surely die”
and to offer her new information-
”your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil”
Then Eve instead trusted the serpent rather than God kand what her eyes and what her reason told her and disobeyed God.
Hi Jodi,
You adapt, add to, remove from and misconstrue scripture
and yet judge others for misunderstanding it?
The original is best.
Hi Jodi,
So the vital attack by Satan on Eve was that on her faith.
Doubting the word of God was the critical temptation.
She succumbed to that and the rest was easy for Satan.
Encourage independent thought and self will. Victory.
Adam possibly was divided but chose his alliance with his wife perhaps to share the blame?
Nick and Jodi….God the Father never put in man the ability to dirct his way, “for it is not within a man to dorect his paths” he never had that ability when created, so naturally they would eventually choose the wrong paths.
That is why we all need the spirit of God installed in us, so we can be guided by it. GOD KNOW WHEN HE CREATED MAN THEY WOULD ALL FAIL IN TIME THEY WERE BOTH CREATED THAT WAY.
Peace and love to you both abd yours…….gene
Hi Nick,
You had said,
“I prefer the simple reading of scripture where man is a weak and ignorant vessel born into likely slavery to the god of this world. Dominated from without and within by more powerful and evil rebellious forces who beguile him into complacency and human warfares. Helpless and hopeless only divine intervention can save him.”
The god of this world is said to be,
Phillipians 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
we are also told that mammon is the master that evil men serve.
NONE of this even remotely equates to the god of this world being outside” evil rebellious forces.”
Hi Nick,
The USE of the words OWN IMAGINATION, OWN HEART, OWN DEVICES, OWN Deception, means that it COMES FROM WITHIN man himself, LITERALLY, not from another imagination, not from some outside source.
The scriptures are numerous and throughout the bible.
16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD. 17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.
12 And they said, There is no hope: but we will walk after our own devices, and we will every one do the imagination of his evil heart.
Proverbs 1:31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices
Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
Hosea 13:2 And now they sin more and more, and have made them molten images of their silver, and idols according to their own understanding, all of it the work of the craftsmen: they say of them, Let the men that sacrifice kiss the calves.
Isaiah 56:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all…11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.
Ezekiel 22:31 Therefore have I poured out mine indignation upon them; I have consumed them with the fire of my wrath: their own way have I recompensed upon their heads, saith the Lord GOD.
Ezekiel 36:17 Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.
Our DESIRE is to SERVE our belly, our SENSES, of which COME FROM our CARNAL NATURE. When we use our CARNAL MINDS to serve our senses, and not God’s Spirit we go the wrong way. This is WHY we are told, “the carnal mind is enmity against God.”
No scripture says that it is the carnal mind allowing it to be a vessel and to be influenced by outside forces, it is the CARNAL MIND itself.
The carnal mind is EARTHLY, it is NATURAL, the brain in all the living creatures ON EARTH are of a carnal minds, lions, serpents, and MEN.
ALL EXAMPLES of MEN in scripture missing the mark, going the wrong way, COME FROM man serving his senses and denying God.
You deny all these scriptures, following your own understanding to define other scriptures with error to fit your lie.
I ask you to once again, COMPREHEND, The USE of the words OWN IMAGINATION, OWN HEART, OWN DEVICES, OWN DECEPTION, means that it COMES FROM WITHIN man HIMSELF, LITERALLY.
The Israelites in the wilderness mumured for water and food, after all that God had done for them, they still lacked faith. They were solely focused on serving their senses. Their god was their belly, not some unearthly supernatural evil force.
Judas was serving mammon, his OWN DESIRES when he betrayed Jesus. Judas himself was a false accuser.
The King of Babylon, the King of Tyre served mammon.
HOW MORE CLEAR can it be?
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
It is the WORKS of the FLESH, it is EARTHLY, NATURAL, CARNAL. NOT an unearthly rebellious supernatural force, that is a LIE NICK.
Jeremiah 37: 9 Thus saith the LORD; Deceive not yourselves,
I Corinthians 3: 18 Let no man deceive himself.
1 John 1: 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Deuteronomy 11: 16 Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived
Obadiah 1:3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?
Romans 7: 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
We deceive OURSELVES, but yet you teach a lie that it is an unearthly rebellious supernatural evil force, that deceives man.
Hi Jodi,
Yes there are many false gods and we are warned against idolatry.
Since Satan took up residence in the heart of man he has followed every evil demonic way.
Hi Jodi,
Yes satan entered Judas and he produced evil fruit.
He walked in the way of the liar, the murderer, the accuser of the brethren.
Hi Gene,
You said, “Nick and Jodi….God the Father never put in man the ability to dirct his way, “for it is not within a man to dorect his paths” he never had that ability when created, so naturally they would eventually choose the wrong paths.
That is why we all need the spirit of God installed in us, so we can be guided by it. GOD KNOW WHEN HE CREATED MAN THEY WOULD ALL FAIL IN TIME THEY WERE BOTH CREATED THAT WAY.”
I agree with you completely!
They were both created with their own imaginations, something that we all naturally are driven to follow in ignorance until we learn otherwise. We must learn that we must follow God, that we cannot rely on ourselves or the ways of other men.
Hi Jodi,
Yes only God can set men free from the kingdom of darkness.
That is why God sent His Son, and that those who think they see would become blind.
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