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There is one true president of the USA at the moment right?
Yet there are many presidents. The president of an organisation that is located in the USA for example.
Is that president competing for Obama as the president of the USA? No. Is that person a legitimate president in their organisation? Yes.
Is there a contradiction? No.
T8……It’s better to believe what God the Father has said concerning other God’s, and what man Jesus christ, has said, then the desirous reasoning of men, justifying existence of false God’s which they believe are true God’s.
Look T8, you Kerwin, and anyone here can believe in all the other God’s, you belive to be real God’s you choose to, I for one, and i believe Jesus also, will believe in ONLY ONE “TRUE” GOD, so all other so-called God’s are “FALSE GOD’S” to us that is.
Your example of a president and other presidents, is a human institution while a God is not a human institution. Don’t let human reasoning destory your relationship with the one and only true God T8.
peace and love to you and yours. ………………gene
Gene,
Look T8, you Kerwin, and anyone here can believe in all the other God’s, you belive to be real God’s you choose to, I for one, and i believe Jesus also, will believe in ONLY ONE “TRUE” GOD, so all other so-called God’s are “FALSE GOD’S” to us that is.
You are not listening to my words but instead you are attributing your own words to me. That is a form of false accusation and that is sin. You need confess it and any other sin you may have.
Kerwin…….quite mencing words, do you or do you not believe there are other true God’s? Yes or no Please
Simple question, no need to try to devert the issue, if you believe there are then name one. Is Jesus a true God to you? Please answer the straight forward questions.
peace and love to you and yours. ……………….gene
Nick……I do that to get people to try to take each words meaning into consoderation, used in the sentence. It seem some here do not know what those words clearly mean or they just ignore them as if they were not there.
peace and love to you and yours. …………..gene
Gene,
I have told you multiple times that there is only one God. My patience has worn thin telling you and yet you choose not to believe. Instead you choose to accuse me falsely.
I am addressing the grammar issue that the word god has multiple meanings and how it effect the meaning of certain passages.
We previously went over Hebrews 1:8 and you agreed with me that the Koine Greek word translated to god in that verse means “godly one”. That is a different definition of the word god. Those that seek to use it as evidence that Jesus is Jehovah insist it has to mean that he is the one true God. I, and neither do you, believe their insistence it has to mean that Jesus is Yahweh.
I have no idea why you are debating something you already agree with me about.
Kerwin……Godly has nothing to do with the meaning of the word God at all. Godly means the person is God minded, his mind considers or is toward God in it’s reasoning . That does not change the meaning of the word God, nor does it give the word multiple understandings either.
Many think the word spritual, means a spirit body, when spirits are not bodies of any kind. So while the word can be applied in a “possevie” sense, it does not mean the body possed by the spirit is a spirit. Same with the word God as in the sense of they are God’s possesion , that does not imply those people themselves are God’s in any form, but are his possesion, as his childern, not only that but all creation are God’s creation, and in that sense it all belongs to him in that sense God the “only God” owns it all. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. ………………gene
+it makes it difficult for Trinitarians to pray to the ONE TRUE GOD wehen a pastor prays “thankyou Lord jesus for bringing us back to yourself.”. yes his exact words
Gene,
These are your words in another thread:
Kerwin…….HEB 1:8 IS BEST READ THIS WAY, ” but toward the son he says, thy throne Godly is, for ever and ever: a scepture of rightiousness is the scepter thy kingdom. 9, you have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God “YOUR GOD”, has anoinited you with the oil of gladness above they fellows”.
Now you are contradicting yourself. Either the word god can mean godly or godly one or it cannot. You cannot have it both ways.
+it makes it difficult for Trinitarians to pray to the ONE TRUE GOD wehen a pastor prays “thankyou Lord jesus for bringing us back to yourself.”. yes his exact words
Good point.
Kerwin…….GOD THE FATHER IS IN Jesus Christ to establish (his) (God’s kingdom) on this earth, it is not JESUS’ KINGDOM, even though JESUS is the human sitting on God THE FATHERS THRONE. So if the Spirit says to the Son Thy Throne O God, is an everlasting throne, it can not be talking about JESUS having an everlasting throne, why because at the end of the thousand year rule of JESUS, he turns it back to God the Father, and he himself becomes a subject to to that kingdom. So how could it be an everlasting throne of his own. It is GOD the Father who establishs and who makes it continue. JESUS IS NOT THE God who is “in” him, Nor is he the GOD THAT BUILDS THE Throne of GOD. Jesus is a Son of Man he is not a God himself of any kind. IMO
MY ouestion to you is, why would you even want to make another God out of the word Godly in the first place. Doesn’t commiting Idolatry bother you?
peace and love to you and yours. …………….gene
any of you
i am puzzled to see that after so many pages and readings in scriptures any of you NEVER came to base out” WHO IS GOD AND WHO IS HIS SON “,I WONDER IF FOR SOME REASON YOU CANNOT SEE THE TRUTH IN THE SCRIPTURES IT SELF ,
AND SO TRY TO FIND IT IN WHAT YOU BELIEVE TO BE TRUE ,LEAVING ‘GOD AND HIS WRITTEN WORD ” ON THE SIDE ,
Gene,
MY ouestion to you is, why would you even want to make another God out of the word Godly in the first place. Doesn’t commiting Idolatry bother you?
I gave you your interpretation of Hebrews 1:8. It literally reads:
Hebrews 1:8Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
The word is God but you interpret it godly, or godly one. It is the same word that is applied to Jehovah in order to say he is the one true being to be worshiped but when it is applied to Jesus both you and I understand it to mean godly one. I am making the case that the word god has more than one reason and context can be used to determine the correct definition for it in a passage. You are using a different definition for the word god as it is used in this passage than when it is used to call Yawheh the one true God.
It is not rational to disagree with my case that there is more than one definition for the word god while you sit there and use more definitions than one for the word god.
i am puzzled to see that after so many pages and readings in scriptures any of you NEVER came to base out” WHO IS GOD AND WHO IS HIS SON “,I WONDER IF FOR SOME REASON YOU CANNOT SEE THE TRUTH IN THE SCRIPTURES IT SELF ,
AND SO TRY TO FIND IT IN WHAT YOU BELIEVE TO BE TRUE ,LEAVING ‘GOD AND HIS WRITTEN WORD ” ON THE SIDE
I was fixing an android stuck in a “bootloop”. For those who don’t know that’s when an android is stuck on the logo page and can’t move on, regardless of what buttons are pushed.
Made me think of the years of repetitive bootlooped egotistical off-putting theological discussion and debate which we have become witnesses, even participators of… in which we need to repent.
T,
God has many sons. If you are trying to emphasize one over the rest then it would be wiser not to use all caps. If you are trying to insist you chosen doctrine is the only truth then you will need to let us know what God you worship and what you think the word son means.
The bottom line is your words are too vague.
Carmel…….If Jesus was another God, then why did he say this “FOR THOU ARE THE “ONLY” “true” God?
Gene,
I concluded my last post of this topic WITH A QUESTION regarding yours above,
BUT FOR A REASON YOU ONLY KNOW, YOU NEVER commented at all!
WHY?So here it is again!
That they may know thee,
HOW WOULD THEY MAY KNOW THAT THE FATHER IS:
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST
NOTICE: NOT JUST
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, ON ITS OWN, BUT STRENGTHENED, DEMONSTRATED, AND JUSTIFIED WITH
JESUS CHRIST THE GLORY OF GOD!
SO IT IS NOT AS YOU SAID ABOVE:
“FOR THOU ARE THE “ONLY” “true” God?
LEAVING OUT THE MOST VITAL NAME, WHICH IS ABOVE ALL THE ENTIRE NAMES IN HEAVEN, EARTH, AND HELL!
THE FACT THAT GOD ALMIGHTY HAS BEEN BOASTING SINCE,HIDDEN FROM ADAM’S SIN,
UNOFFICIALLY CONFIRMED IN JESUS BIRTH,
AND OFFICIALLY PRONOUNCED BY GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF MORE THAN ONCE, WHEN HE SAID:
I AM WELL PLEASED IN HIM!CONFIRMED AND SEALED FROM HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS!
WHERE HE IS SINCE THEN,
THEREFORE, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, ON ITS OWN
HAS NO SUBSTANCE!
THE FACT THAT HE WAS SENT!
CLEAR?
THEREFORE, I AM WAITING TO HERE FROM YOUR OWN MOUTH, AND ALSO NOT YOUR OPINION PLEASE!
SIMPLY SCRIPTURES!HOW GOD THE FATHER IS RIGHT NOW BEING KNOWN?
WHICH CONFIRMS THAT HE WAS NOT YET KNOWN UP TO THAT MOMENT IN TIME JESUS SAID SO?
WHAT VITAL PROCESS DID THE FATHER ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH JESUS IN ORDER TO ESTABLISHED HIMSELF NOT AS:
THE ONLY TRUE GOD! OK? LIKE YOU ARE FALSELY DECLARING!
BUT :The only true God , and JESUS CHRIST!
I REPEAT:
The one whom God sent for that particular process!
BE HONEST!
The word “THAT” in
That they may know you,has a GREAT IMPACT POWER in that statement by Jesus,
the fact that you never
POSTED IT!!!!!!So the whole process of YOUR ILLUSIONS OF
THE ONLY TRUE GOD
IN ORDER TO BE To ESTABLISHED,
Was all SECURED AND JUSTIFIED IN JESUS!
John14:1 LET not your heart be troubled. YOU BELIEVE IN GOD, BELIEVE ALSO IN ME.
AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL:
Jesus confirmed:
From that moment on, NO ONE WOULD HAVE ANY TROUBLE TO BELIEVE IN GOD,
NO MORE CONFUSIONS, ILLUSIONS, LIES, AND MOST VITAL:
NOT PHYSICALLY ANY MORE
The incessant boasting of Satan!
Here it comes:AS LONG AS ONE BELIEVES ALSO IN JESUS!
John14: 13 Because I go to the Father: and whatsoever you shall ask the Father
IN MY NAME that will I do:THE FIRST DECLARATION: ASK THE FATHER IN MY NAME,
NOT LIKE MOST OF CHRISTIANS SIMPLY SAY GOD ON ITS OWN!
that the Father may be glorified IN THE SON
THE GLORY OF GOD
AS A HUMAN BEING, THE FACT THAT HE LISTENS TO US HUMANS!
THE SECOND DECLARATION;
14If you shall ask ME
WITHOUT MENTIONING THE FATHER GOT IT?
any thing in my name, THAT I WILL DO.
WHERE IS THE FATHER GONE? I KNOW WHERE!!!!!
HE IS ON A VERY LONG REST !
HE RESTED TILL THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD! JESUS CHRIST OK?????
TILL GOD ALMIGHTY,
THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT, WITH THE POWER OF JESUS CHRIST, GOT IT????
WHATEVER THE FATHER HAS IS MINE!!!!!
WILL PUT JESUS’ENEMIES AS HIS FOOTSTOOL!
BEFORE CREATION IT WAS NO FATHER NO JESUS!
BUT NOW:
NO JESUS NO FATHER!
ESPECIALLY FOR US !!!!
MORTAL SINFUL HUMANS
MANY THAT ARE FIRST BECOME LAST, AND MANY THAT ARE LAST BECOME FIRST!
Gene, I leave you with this last scripture ! and REFLECT!!!!
YOUR TIME IS RUNNING OUT, WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TODAY DO NOT LEAVE IT FOR TOMORROW!!!!
John 14:5 Thomas saith to him: Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life.
NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER, BUT BY ME
IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD!
7If you had known me, you would without doubt have known my Father also: and from henceforth you shall know him, and
YOU HAVE SEEN HIM.
THERE IT IS!
BLACK ON WHITE!
Peace and love in Jesus
CharlesCarmel. …..You have moved over so much territory, lets take your last part and deal with that first.
Jesus was enficising that the Father was “in” him and he was in the Father, THAT IS TRUE BECAUSE THE Father is a spirit, and spirits can co-habbit in human beings. But let read the rest of it, the parts you left out ok?John 14:10…….Believest you not that I am in the Father and the Father is “in” me? The words I speak unto you speak not of “myself”: but the Father that “dwells” in me “he” does the works. 11, believe I am in the Father, and the Father in me, or else believe me, for the very works sake.
Why did the man Jesus say that? Because no man could do those works unless the Father was with him, spritually indwelling him. Could Moses do the miricals that were performed by GOD THROUGH HIM, no he could not, because he was a mere man, the same applies to Jesus, he plainly said he could do “nothing” of himself.
Continuing, John 14:12…Verily, verily i say unto you, HE that believeth on me, (now pay close attention) “THE WORKS I DO SHALL HE “DO ALSO”, AND “GREATER” WORKS THEN THESE SHALL HE DO, because I go to the Father.
Verse 13, and whatsoever you shall ask in my name that will I do (why?) that the “FATHER” MAY BE GLORIFIED In the son. Verse 20, At that day you shall know that I am in my Father, and you in me: because i live you shall also live.
Now because we are “in” JESUS and he in us does that make us JESUS? NO IT DOES NOT, NEITHER DOES God the Father being “in” JESUS make him the FATHER OR A GOD OF ANY KIND. OR HAVEN’T YOU READ WHERE IT SAY “THAT GOD MAY BE “IN” ALL AND THROUGH “ALL”. MAKING Jesus to appear different the a nornal human being by moving him to a GOD STATUS, is Satans way of destorting the work of GOD in man.
We have only “ONE” GOD the FATHER, and one lord, “THE MAN” JESUS THE CHRIST”, (OR THE ANOINTED “MAN” OF GOD).
1 Ti 1:5 “For there is “ONE” GOD AND “ONE” mediator between God and man, THE “MAN” Christ Jesus.
Carmel, if you don’t see Jesus as a man, you simply are not connecting with him, and can not see God the FATHERS WORK “IN” man, taking little pieces of scriptures and trying to make a point and even changing part of the text to fit church dogmas does not work for me. Remember it is the sum of God’s word that is truth Not just parts of it. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. ………………….gene
K
T,
God has many sons. If you are trying to emphasize one over the rest then it would be wiser not to use all caps. If you are trying to insist you chosen doctrine is the only truth then you will need to let us know what God you worship and what you think the word son means.
The bottom line is your words are too vague.
I wonder what Paul did meant in Col 1;15-21 to the people he wrote to ,?
to you it seem that none of the scriptures has to be believed but interpreted to your satisfaction and that those that wrote it are just out of their mind or a group of counter espionage tactics practitioners and so would their God and Lord in which they have put their faith in ,
but i am sure you know all that ,but the wickedness in you will not like to change to the truth of the holy son of God ,
Kerwin…….Pierre has a point brother. We have to believe what JESUS SAID, he said that there was only one true GOD, and that God was his God and our God. And we have even more important words from God the Father who said clearly he looked for other God’s and found none.
As far as the scripture in Hebrews goes, you must remember it is GOD’S seven spitits that are “IN” THE slain or dead LAMB THAT IS SPEAKING TO HIS OWN SPIRITS THAT ARE INDWELLING HIS SON, remember the fullness of GOD WAS DWELLING IN THE SON AND doing the works of setting up his “YAHWEH” Our (GOD’S) Kingdom on this earth. So GOD YEHWEH “his God” said God thy God YEHWEH has exaulted above you brothers. But in the end JESUS gives it all back to the Father YEHWEH, and becomes subject to that kingdom, just as we all will be also. None of those word means Jesus is a God himself, it hink you have all ready acknowledge that.
The other scriptures that you are God’s, to whom the word of God was sent, is simply say they were God’s “possesion” his childern. That is why JESUS TOLD THEM, WHY WERE THE UPSET WITH HIM WHEN HE SAID HE WAS A SON O GOD ALSO. That whole dialog had nothing to do with Jesus saying that they were God beings, nor was he trying to make himself out to be a God either, as he was being falsely accused of By those blind Pharassies.
Another thing When I USE THE WORD Godly, i am referring to a persons mind and heart being toward GOD, I believe scripture is using it that way also brother. I think we may agree more then we disagree, maybe in some points we may not, but you have said that you believe there is only one God, I think Pierre believes that also, at
least it sound like he does. If we can all come to a solid agreement, that “there is “only” “one” God and “One” mediator between God and man, THE “MAN” CHRIST JESUS”, we are doing well. IMOpeace and love to you and yours. ………………….gene
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