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Adam was called the Son of God.
But Adam was created by God.
Jesus was begotten by God, emptied himself, came in the flesh, died, rose again, and is seated next to God in the glory he had with him before the cosmos.
He is also the final Adam. So he too can rightly be called the Son of God in that sense. But because he is the firstborn of all creation, he was the Son of God before the cosmos too.
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created…
I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father.”
For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me; and this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up at the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that every one who sees the Son and believes in him should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things,
No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven, the Son of Man.
What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
I’m betting the rebuttal to my post will be just to interpret each scripture I have quoted as meaning the opposite to what is written. It won’t be that blatant, but surrounded by lots of text where the detail is easily hidden.
Hi Jodi,
You: God’s seed represents God’s Spirit.
Me: GOD’S SEED IS A SPIRIT! and THAT SPIRIT IS
“THE WORD” made Flesh, Jesus, the Son of Man.
God is a spirit, and all His attributes and tasks generally speaking are all
spirits!
Once God committed Himself to create, He created all that for us is the entire physical creation BY/IN/FOR in His Son, without eliminating His Spirit in any way, SIMPLY HIDDEN WITHIN HIS SON/SPIRIT.
When will you quit your carnal-minded reasoning in relation to God and His SPIRITUAL work both within Himself, AD INTRA of His deity, and outside Himself AD EXTRA in the physical creation that:
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING WHEN IT COMES TO GOD’S WORK!
IT IS ALWAYS HIS SPIRIT THAT GIVES LIFE/EXISTENCE TO ALL HIS WORK, EVEN WHEN IT IS FLESH/PHYSICAL.
Now read please and accept the truth concerning the SEED of God!
Genesis 3:15 I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her SEED:
Genesis 15:18 That day God made a covenant with Abram, saying: To THY “SEED” will I give this land, from the river of Egypt even to the great river Euphrates
Genesis 22:18 I will BLESS thee, and I will multiply THY “SEED” as the stars of heaven, and as the sand that is by the seashore: THY “SEED” shall possess the gates of their enemies. 18And in THY “SEED” shall all the nations of the earth be BLESSED, because thou hast obeyed my voice.
2Samuel 7:12 And when thy days shall be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will raise up thy SEED after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
Isaiah 1:9 Except the Lord of hosts had left us SEED, we had been as Sodom, and we should have been like to Gomorrha.
Isaiah 6:13 And there shall be still a tithing therein, and she shall turn, and shall be made a show as a turpentine tree, and as an oak that spreadeth its branches: that which shall stand therein, shall be a holy SEED.
Isaiah 61:9 And they shall know their SEED among the Gentiles, and their offspring in the midst of peoples: all that shall see them, shall know them, that these are the SEED which the Lord hath BLESSED.
Zechariah 8:12 But there shall be the “SEED” of peace: ….
Now let’s read some in the NT verses,
Galatians 3:16To Abraham were the promises made and to his seed. He saith not, And to his seeds, as of many: but as of one, And to
thy SEED, which is Christ.
Galatians 3:29 And if you be Christ’s, then are you the SEED of Abraham, heirs according to the promise.
Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this:
The SEED is the word of God.
Matthew 13:37 Who made answer and said to them: He that soweth the good SEED, is
the Son of man.
John12:24 Amen, amen I say to you, unless the grain of wheat/SEED falling into the ground dies,
25Itself remaineth alone. But if it dies, it bringeth forth much fruit.
1Peter1:23 Being born again not of corruptible seed,
but INCORRUPTIBLE, by the WORD of God WHO liveth and remaineth for ever.
1John3:9 Whosoever is born of God, commmitteth not sin: for his SEED abideth in him, and he can not sin, because he is born of God.
From my side, Jodi and Gene, and all who are in harmony with your corrupted preaching, with every respect to you, all the above scriptures confirm Jesus’ pre-existence as a SPIRIT, and clearly declare that both the word “SEED” and also in the word BLESS, are clear references to “THE WORD” made flesh, the pre-existed Jesus, the Son of Man, as a spirit, while supported in every sense by the Father, He emptied Himself during His SPIRITUAL journey, poured all His Spirit and as an infinitesimal speck in all the hearts of creatures no matter who and what, and for the love of the Father and the human race, in the Father’s name and power, He, I repeat, as a spirit, the only begotten of the Father, A SPIRIT, redeemed humanity, reconciled all back SPIRITUALLY/PHYSICALLY to God the Father, and established His eternal kingdom, even
slain like a lamb from the beginning of the world,Rev.13:8.
hidden like a treasure in a field Matthew 13:44, and
sealed as eternal life, in the entire process of creation, John6:27.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Berean,
You said, “AND HE IS THE WORD OF GOD WHEN HE RETURNS AND IN BETWEEN”
The Son of Man returns in the glory of our Father, he returns where he has God’s Spirit upon him whereby he makes righteous judgments, judgments not by his own eyes and ears but through God directing all his ways.
This Son of Man returns to give true believers their inheritance so they will be joint heirs with him, they too are born of the Spirit, drinking of the One cup of the Spirit, where they are caused to walk in all of God’s ways. God ALL IN ALL being led by God’s Spirit and thus Sons of God inhabiting the earth in righteousness, God’s purpose before the world began.
He who was an only begotten Son, the only mortal man to have been called to righteousness being born of God’s seed and it remaining on him, who died but was raised up receiving the Spirit again that was by promise, fulfills upon his return him becoming a firstborn of many.
Berean ……. you say “Jesus “took on “, but is that what scripture says, ( not me?)……Heb2:9 ….but we see Jesus , “WHO WAS MADE”, a little lower then the Angels, for the suffering of death”…..
We are also “MADE”, a “little” lower then the angels, and we also suffer death. And we must also put our “wills” to death, just like he did.
your, Greek, “PLUTONIC” “mystery religion” dosen’t work , YOU PREACHING A “FALSE” JESUS. A Man you have turned into your God, and bow and worship him as such, which turns the “IMAGE” of him into a “man of Sin”, 2ths2.
Your not preaching Jesus as the “anointed” human man of God, But as a God, by saying he created everything , but what did Jesus say, (not me)……“the Son of man, can do “NOTHING” of himself”. Thats a big streach, from being the creator of everything right?
Seems you have a delima on you hands, your church you belong to has feed you so much lies, they have dug a such a deep hole you can’t , find your way out, SAD!
Peace and love to you and yours Berean………..gene
Proclaimer……..to create is one thing, and begetting is quite another.
TO BEGET, requires a birth process.
TO CREATE, does not require a birth process.
Adam and Eve were not begotten, but we’re created the First begotten human being was Cain, Jesus was the begotten, from the loins of his Physical Father King David, when God planted his seed lineage into Mary. And then he was “begotten” through that lineage just as he said he was, (not me)…..“I am the root and offspring of David”,
question is do you “TRULY” believe Jesus and what he said?
Peace and love to you and yours Proclaimer. ……..gene
Gene
Berean ……. you say “Jesus “took on “, but is that what scripture says, ( not me?)……Heb2:9 ….but we see Jesus , “WHO WAS MADE”, a little lower then the Angels, for the suffering of death”..
Me
The 2 are written
Phil.2 6-7
Who, 👉being in the form of God,👈 thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
[7]👉 But made himself of no reputation, and👉 took upon him👈 the form of a servant, and👉 was made👈 in the likeness of men:🙏
Hi Jodie
You
Hi Berean,
You said, “AND HE IS THE WORD OF GOD WHEN HE RETURNS AND IN BETWEEN”
Me
THE SON OF GOD IS CALLED THE WORD IN THE BEGINNING AND FOREVER.
IT’S A NAME THAT MEANS
THE CREATIVE POWER OF CHRIST AND HIS POWER THAT SUPPORTS HIS CREATION.🙏
Hi Berean,
YOU:
John3:18
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.The manifestation of the Father.
What language is to thought, Christ is to the invisible Father. He is the manifestation
of the Father, and it is called the Word of God. God sent his Son into the world, his Divinity
clothed in humanity, so that man can bear the image of the invisible God. He
made known by his words, his character, his power and his majesty, the nature and the
attributes of God. Divinity shone through humanity in a dimmed and
softened. He was the embodiment of the law of God, which was the exact representation of the
divine character.ME:
God indeed sent His Son into the world, Jesus tells you directly when he was sent, it was upon him having the Spirit come down from heaven like a dove and abode in him, where God declared at that very moment that this was His Son. Such was God fulfilling His word unto David in 1 Chronicles 17, His word being made true in the flesh where He had promised to become a Father unto a son of David.
The Spirit came to abode in Jesus without measure, where at that moment John testified also that this was the Son of God. That Spirit made him in the form of God for through it he spoke God’s words, he did God’s mighty miraculous works and he was carrying out God’s will.
In John 2 Jesus turns the water into wine and in verse 11 we read, “This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.”
Jesus was identified as the Only Begotten Son of God BECAUSE he had been born of the Spirit without measure that enabled him to perform mighty deeds, those deeds worked as his proof, where people beheld his glory, the glory of the one who was begotten by God full of grace and truth by the Spirit that aboded in him.
In 1 Chronicles 17 God says concerning a son of David that He will be a Father to him and that He would not take His mercy/goodness away from him. What other man can we give such credit to? There is none, ONLY Jesus, and because God’s goodness/His seed remained in him, he was able to be the Lamb of God sacrificed for us though he was not deserving of death.
“because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
That name is Jesus and a human was given that name, a son of David was given that name and that name means YHVH is salvation AND A SON OF DAVID WAS PROMISED TO BE MADE INTO A SON OF GOD.
Furthermore, Act 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: 24 When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
YHVH saved us through the human Jesus by begetting him of His Spirit whereby such he was called to righteousness and anointed/set apart to fulfill God’s covenant, to set us at liberty from the penalty of our sins becoming our savior.
We are to believe that YHVH is our salvation through Him begetting the son of David with His Spirit, thus making him into His own Son as was promised, were by that Spirit he could be our savior.
Hi Jodi, Gene, and all those who are in harmony with you!
You: God indeed sent His Son into the world,
Jesus tells you directly when he was sent,
Me: THAT’S RIGHT Jodi, READ HEREUNDER WHAT I TOLD YOU IN #942956
Me: Luke 2:48 And seeing him, they wondered. And his mother said to him: Son, why hast thou done so to us? behold thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. 49And he said to them:
How is it that you sought me? did you not know,
that I must be about my father’s business?
Jodi this time you have to answer THIS:
HOW JESUS A MERE CHILD OF TWELVE BECAME AWARE
THAT GOD IS HIS FATHER?
HE EVEN ANTICIPATED GOD AT THE RIVER JORDAN! NO?
YOU DO WELL TO KEEP SILENT, Jodi, and Gene,
AS YOU CAN ONLY ANSWER THIS QUESTION THROUGH
LIES!
You: it was upon him having the Spirit come down from heaven like a dove and abode in him,
where God declared at that very moment that this was His Son.
Me: I repeat Jodi,
Luke 2:49 …..
How is it that you sought me? did you not know,
that I must be about my father’s business?
JESUS A MERE CHILD OF TWELVE ANTICIPATED
GOD ALMIGHTY, AND DECLARED THAT
GOD WAS HIS FATHER !!!!
SAY SOMETHING
Jodi and Gene, and all those who are in harmony with you!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Proclaimer,
You said Jesus was begotten by God and yes, the human who at birth was given the name Jesus he, as in this man, was indeed begotten by God.
1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
born/gennao, to be born, to be begotten.
Eph 5:9 For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness and truth.
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles…6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, FOR A LIGHT of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. 7 Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee. 8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; 9 That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places. 10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath ANOINTED ME to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
2 Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should SHINE unto them. 5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
Proclaimer, you and Berean truly seem to be just flat out denying the significance that the human Jesus WAS INDEED CALLED TO RIGHTEOUSNESS and it came through him having been the ONLY man to have received God’s Spirit WITHOUT MEASURE which made him in the form of God. Jesus was begotten by God having His seed remain in him. This was AN ANOINTING making him the anointed one, set apart to be a LIGHT. This Anointed Human is he who is the image of God.
2 Tim 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, 10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
God’s PURPOSE which was held in His WORD before the world began was Eternal Life. Also God’s WORD before the world began, was a promise that one man would be begotten of His Spirit without measure, an anointing to be sent out to fulfill God’s WORD of eternal life.
This is exactly why God’s WORD also says that all things were created through him and for him, without him nothing would have been made by YHVH that was made.
Isaiah 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. 18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God HIMSELF that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. 19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.20 Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save. 21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. 22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. 24 Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed. 25 In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
Jeremiah 10:1 Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel…:12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion. 13 When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures.14 Every man is brutish in his knowledge: every founder is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them. 15 They are vanity, and the work of errors: in the time of their visitation they shall perish. 16 The portion of Jacob is not like them: for he is the former of all things; and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: The LORD of hosts is his name.
Romans 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
I don’t mean to be rude Proclaimer, but it is frustrating that you don’t listen and apply Isaiah’s words. Honestly the image that comes into my mind is I picture you as a 4 year old child who is closing his eyes and plugging his hears and shouting na, na, na, na, na, I can’t hear you YHVH.
Jesus is of the tribe of Judah of ISRAEL, he is an heir of YHVH and we are joint heirs of YHVH with him. YHVH Himself, not a pre-existing Jesus, UTTERED HIS VOICE and said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters”.
The Son of Man is coming in the glory of our Father to INHABIT the earth and rule over it, all thing were made by reason of him and for him. According to Isaiah 11 he rules through having God’s Spirit dwelling in him where he has God’s righteousness and His strength upon him where he judges mankind not by his own eyes and ears where he will bring men to shame and destruction. This came out of YHVH’s OWN MOUTH from the beginning when YHVH Himself was creating earth with the utterance also of His own mouth, for the purpose that it be inhabited by people who do not seek him in vain but in righteousness.
Luke 1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; 70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: 71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; 72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; 73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham, 74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, 75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.Jesus was a man that was IN YHVH’s WORD from the beginning. He was to fulfill YHVH’s purpose for why YHVH HIMSELF had SPOKEN earth and man into existence in the first place, this is EXACTLY WHY when scripture speaks of the anointed Jesus we are told that all things were created through him and for him and that nothing would have been made that was made without him. Not by means of, because that goes directly against a number of scriptures, but BY REASON OF.
Hi Carmel
You
JESUS A MERE CHILD OF TWELVE ANTICIPATED
GOD ALMIGHTY, AND DECLARED THATGOD WAS HIS FATHER !!!!
SAY SOMETHINGJodi and Gene, and all those who are in harmony with you!
Me
You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ON THIS.
JESUS WAS THE SON OF GOD LONG BEFORE HIS BAPTISM AND JESUS AT 12 YEARS OLD WAS AWARE OF THIS GLORIOUS FACT.More later if God wills.
Hi Carmel,
Luke 2:46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of teachers, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers. 48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. 49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father’s business?
teachers, didaskalos- in the NT one who teaches concerning the things of God, and the duties of man, teacher of the Jewish religion.
Carmel, in the OT God is the FATHER of Israel. Jesus was in the temple hearing and asking questions that all related to God their Father and His people.
What do we read in this same chapter and the chapter before that directly speak to OT scripture that teach of God being a Father unto Jesus?
Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
1 Chronicles 17:11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. 12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever. 13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee: 14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.
The child Jesus in Luke 1, is going to be great and is going to be called God’s Son and is going to receive an eternal kingdom.
How does God make David’s son into His own Son? Go read 1 John 3! David’s son is begotten by God’s seed. He is begotten of God’s Spirit which bears the fruit of all goodness righteousness and truth. He is begotten by God and we are given that he was called to righteousness. What does mercy mean, it means GOODNESS, which is what God gives to David’s son as He begets him of His Spirit and He does not take it away.
Luke 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, 69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; 70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: 71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; 72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;
Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Luke 2: 5 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. 26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord’s Christ. 27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law, 28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, 29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: 30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, 31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; 32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.
Simeon, like that of Zacharias, saw prophecy of the word of God being one day fulfilled upon the child Jesus, the same word that God shared with Mary regarding her son. God’s words of Isaiah and that of 1 Chronicles being made true in the flesh of Jesus. The Spirit would come to abode in Jesus where he would be great, filled with grace and truth, begotten of God’s Spirit not by measure and people would behold his glory. By such he would be called God’s only begotten Son and he would fulfill God’s covenant bringing forth salvation, ANOINTED to be for a light fulfilling God’s purpose for why God had created all things in the first place.
Hi Jodi,
You: Carmel, in the OT God is the FATHER of Israel. Jesus was in the temple hearing and asking questions that all related to God their Father and His people.
Me: FROM GOD’S PERSPECTIVE FOR SURE
BUT ONLY IN RELATION TO THEIR SOULS, AS THE FATHER IS SPIRIT, and flesh counts for nothing when it comes to God’s own work, it is His spirit which gives life/existence to all of His work even as flesh the fact that “THE WORD”/SPIRIT WAS MADE FLESH.
Proverbs 16:2 All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes;
but the LORD weigheth the spirits.
Before Jesus redemption human flesh was satanic and cursed, not justified as a pure sacrifice for the human race confirmed in
Psalm 49: 7No brother can redeem, nor shall man redeem:
he shall not give to God his ransom,
Now read what Jesus said (NOT ME) in
John 8:44 You are of your father the devil,
and the desires of your father you will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
Now, Jodi, You yourself said:
…….God their Father and His PEOPLE.
Why didn’t you say;
God their Father and His CHILDREN?
ONLY THE JEW JESUS A MERE CHILD OF TWELVE CALLED GOD HIS FATHER!
FIND A SCRIPTURE WHERE AN ORDINARY JEW DIRECTLY CALLS GOD HIS FATHER!
You: What do we read in this same chapter and the chapter before
that directly speak to OT scripture that teach of God being a Father unto Jesus?
Me: Yes I’ve not a single doubt about that,
but apart from the mysterious and unknown God of the OT that called “ISRAEL HIS SON” and also the prophets did so, where do we read in the OT scripture
THAT THE ORDINARY JEWS DIRECTLY CALLED GOD THEIR FATHER?
ALL I KNOW IS THAT THE JEWS WERE TERRORIZED OF GOD NEVER MIND ACCEPTED AND CALLED GOD THEIR FATHER READ:
Deuteronomy18:16 As thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb, when the assembly was gathered together, and saidst:
Let me not hear anymore the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see any more this exceeding great fire, lest I die.
OK, Jodi?
THEY SAID :the voice of the Lord my God, THEY NEVER MENTIONED GOD THEIR FATHER!
ALSO, EXPLAIN PLEASE HOW COME THAT
WHEN JESUS SAID THAT HE IS THE SON OF GOD THEY TRIED TO STONE HIM, IF ACCORDING TO YOU ALL THE JEWS CONSIDERED THEMSELVES SONS OF GOD?
now reflect on the scripture hereunder
Jeremiah 31:31 Behold the days shall come, saith the Lord, and I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Juda:
32Not according to the covenant which I made with their fathers, in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt: the covenant which they made void, and I had dominion over them, saith the Lord. 33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel, after those days, saith the Lord: I will give my law in their bowels, and I will write it in their heart: and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
Jodi, in the above scripture, directly from God, we are aware that THE OT JEWS WERE NOT EVEN GOD’S PEOPLE NEVER MIND GOD’S CHILDREN! AT LEAST FROM THEIR SIDE FOR SURE.
Jodi, abandon your imagination for a while and produce scripture that support your belief, please.
Thus I repeat, Jesus a mere child of twelve anticipated God Almighty at the river Jordan and declared in
Luke2:49 that GOD WAS HIS FATHER!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
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