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Hi All,
1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus (salvation) Christ (anointed) is come in ____ flesh is of God:
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Me: Jesus Christ was to become the anointed king and high priest when was this PREORDATION (not anointing)? You notice, I have modified my position on this.
Mich 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler (king) in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Me: Christ was preordained to become king and high priest and thus salvation rom eternity. And when was his anointing?
Dan 7:12 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 13 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten (born) of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amien.
Me: As King and high priest, first of his Church (after his resurrection and glorification), and then the rest of the world (at his return) he would bring salvation to all.
Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Me: This is the final and enduring kingdom on earth.
https://biblehub.com/lexicon/micah/5-2.htm
Micah 5:2 (bible hub lexicon) “But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, [Too] little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity.”Me: Let’s see.
A The phrase, “From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel” is a prophecy for the future from that point. It had not happened yet.B “his going forth are from long ago” is speaking about his going forth in the future after point A. It cannot mean his going forth is both from eternity and yet to happen after point A..
Thus this verse by itself has nothing to do with the Messiah preexisting.
Young’s Literal Translation
John 1:18 God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten (born from the dead) Son, who is on the bosom of the Father — he did declare.Me: The only true son of God comes after the Father. The son always comes after the father. We become sons of God through Christ by adoption.
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by (in) him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:16( Bible Hub) Because IN him were all things in the heavens and upon the earth the visible and the invisible whether thrones dominions or rulers or authorities all things (dia 1223 on behalf of) and unto (1599.eis: (for the benefit of) him.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/colossians/1-16.htm
1223. dia: through, on account of, because of
Usage: (a) gen: through, throughout, by the instrumentality of, (b) acc: through, on account of, by reason of, or the sake of, because of1599.eis: to or into (indicating the point reached or entered, of place, time, fig. purpose, result)
New American Standard Bible
Heb 1:2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, (1223:on account of) whom also He made the world.Me: All emphasis in the parenthesis are mine
TC…..YOU HAVE IT RIGHT, DIA… means on behalf of, …… IT Does not mean through or by.
Good job.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi All,
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word (spirit of God), and the Word was with God (mind of God), and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made (1223.diaon account) him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 3 IN him was life; and the life was the light of men.
https://biblehub.com/greek/1223.htm
1223. diaDefinition: through, on account of, because of
Usage: (a) gen: through, throughout, by the instrumentality of, (b) acc: through, on account of, by reason of, for the sake of, because of.Me: Who was everything made for the account of in John 1:3? Was it the Word of God? Isn’t the Word of God is the holy spirit.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh (one with flesh), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten (from the dead as the true son of God) of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Me: It was the Word (spirit of God) as bonded as one with human flesh (the humanity of the mind). The words in the parenthesis in bold are my emphasis).
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in BLOOD: and his name is called The Word of God.
1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus (salvation) Christ (anointed king) is come in ___ flesh is of God:
Me: The mind of God is in the spirit of God, and the spirit of God is in the mind of God.
Examples:
Eph 423 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Romans 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Phil 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:Me: The spirit aspect of the mind in Christ was a expressed image of the mind of God. We too have this spirit aspect when we are born of God but not of the same majesty.
Hi All,
Isa 43: I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour…15 I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.
Micah 14:2 … out of thee shall he come forth UNTO ME ___ to be ruler in Israel…
Me: Christ was to become ruler in the stead of God Almighty.
1 Cor 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power…28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
1 Tim 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings (our heavenly Father), and Lord of lords: Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_timothy/6-15.htm
Me in the end, the Messiah will rule under God Almighty as one of the kings but directly under him.
TC…….another right . The spirit of God is indeed the mind of God and “IS” GOD.
JESUS WILL BE A KING AND WILL RULE UNDER GOD THE FATHER authority, and he will hand over his kingdom to God the Father, after the Father has put all Jesus’ enmies under his feet., at the end of the thousand year reign of Jesus and the Saint’s. Things seem to be lining up for you brother.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi All,
Young’s Literal Translation
John 8:56 Abraham, your father, was glad that he might see my day; and he saw, and did REJOICE.‘…58 Jesus said to them, ‘Verily, verily, I say to you, Before Abraham’s coming (me: resurrection) — I am;’Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promise (1860. epaggelia promise, not promises), but having (782 GREETED) afar off, and were persuaded of ____, and embraced_____ and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth…39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise 1860. epaggelia): 40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
https://biblehub.com/lexicon/hebrews/11-13.htm
Me: All the saints and prophets of the OT greeted and rejoiced to the promise of eternal life afar off.
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come ____unto you. If ye loved me, ye would REJOICE (John 8:56 above), because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Me: Abraham REJOICED to see the day that Christ would be glorified with his father, thus we could now receive the promise and be baptized with the spirit and receive salvation.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
John 1:15 Yohannan bore witness of him and cried, saying, “This was he of whom I spoke: ‘He that comes after me is preferred in honor before me, for he had priority over me.’Greek and Aramaic Manuscripts of the New Testament
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/nt_manuscripts.htmlJohn 1:15
Quote from the author: John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ “ (NIV)This verse is occasionally used to support the Trinity because it is assumed that for Jesus to come “before” John he would have had to exist before John. While it is true that the Greek word “before” (protos) can mean “before in time,” it can just as easily be “first,” “chief,” “leader,” etc. The “first” and great commandment was not the first given in time, but the first in rank. There are many examples of this in Scripture, including: Matt. 20:27; 22:38; Mark 6:21; 10:44; Luke 11:26. John the Baptist recognized that Jesus was above him in rank, and said so plainly.
TC…… The Aramaic bible you quoted has it exactly right brother, Good post.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Matt 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
Me: Was John the Baptist greater than the Messiah? We have just read above that the Messiah is greater than John. The Messiah said that his father is greater than he is (John 14:28 in the above post). So, the kingdom of God at this point must consists of the heavenly Father and Christ because there cannot be more and Christ the least.
Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within (G1787:among) you. 22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/17-21.htm
Me: The Messiah was not merely a man. He was the (SON of God)… OF MAN. He had the spirit of God in him as his only spirit. He did not have the spirit or breath with the corrupt one in it (Eph 2:2). We become of his flesh (1 John 3:2) which was higher than ours and became glorified.
New American Standard Bible
John 1:14 And the Word (holy spirit with the mind of God within it) became (joined) flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
https://biblehub.com/greek/1096.htmMe: The Messiah is the direct expression of God. He is not God Almighty, but the Son of God of flesh.
Hi Jodi,
Good Questions:
Me: First of All, I do not believe in the pre-existence of the son of God, except in the bosom of God. I suspect that all existed in the mind of God as a final product and that this physical age will never be remembered. I will give you my thoughts on this. I will try to answer your questions from a non-preexistence point of view.
You: Please explain what it means for a non flesh one of a kind son of God to be called the Word of God? Just trying to understand this as pre-existers think, as I have never heard it explained.
As you say, this non flesh son of God was the firstborn over all creation and his name was the Word of God. So are you saying that God made him of His Spirit, His truth and His power, His understanding, His wisdom, and because of that he was named the Word of God?Me: The word of God is the spirit of God from the mind of God. The “word of God” was never used in the OT to describe a person. Rather it was used as a conveyance. It revealed the thoughts of God to the intended.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=word+of+God&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1Example:
1 Chronicles 17:3 And it came to pass the same night, that the word of God came to Nathan, saying,
Prov 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.Me: If we trust in his words (in God) he is salvation and a deliverer for us.
Psalm 62:1 To the chief Musician, to Jeduthun, A Psalm of David. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. 2 He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved.
Me: YHWH spoke his words to his prophets in the OT but spoke them through the one prophet, the Messiah, when he was on earth.
Heb 1:2 (bible hub) In these last days have spoken to us in His Son, whom he appointed heir of all things (G1223:on account of) also he made the (G165:age).
Acts 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Me: The Messiah mind is a direct image of his Father’s and all of the words he speaks are from his father. His spirit is the holy spirit. The Messiah is the Father expressed during this age (see Hebrew 1:2 above). He has the heart of the seed of David in his humanity. The Father expressed himself as a burning bush, and angel, etc. in the OT. Did not those who he spoke to considered even the milieu as part of God.
King James Bible
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.Me: The invisible God in his milieu is invisible to all in speech and appearance. The Word became one with flesh. The fleshly mind of the seed of David grew in it’s bond with the mind of God through the Word or spirit of God. This is similarly to us growing to bond with God through his written word. His words are spirit and life.
Hi Jodi,
You: As you say, he emptied himself coming to earth, so wouldn’t he have emptied himself of those things that made him be named the Word of God?
If he was empty of those things that made him the Word, then it wasn’t the Word made flesh, it would be he emptied himself of that which made him the Word and he became flesh. However the passage does in fact say the Word was made flesh. Another fact is that the one that died on the cross for our sins came from being an ignorant infant. What part of the infant Jesus was the Word? The non flesh one of a kind son of God as you say, emptied himself, what part of him that remained was part of the infant Jesus? What part of the WORD actually became flesh, if in fact the non flesh son of God named the Word had emptied himself?Me: The Word or spirit of God existed eternally. The mind of God through his spirit became one with the humanity of the son of man. That bond grew. The man of the seed of David came into existence 2,000 years ago, not from eternity. The Son of God of man did not exist until 2,000 years ago. The Word (spirit) of God along with God (the mind of God existed from eternity.
New American Standard Bible
Phil 2:5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form (image) of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped (725. harpagmos:sieze), 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.Me: We should have the same attitude of humility that Christ had. Christ was the appearance (image) of the father expressed. What did he empty himself of? It was the temptation to grasp or seize the opportunity to be equal with God in verse. He resisted this.
Hi Jodi,
You: One thing that is for sure, simple and clear, is that God promised the house of David an eternal king from their bloodline, when they seemed to lack faith in this promise, God said He would provide a sign so that they would know that God keeps His promises. That promise was a virgin birth. The birth of Jesus was certainly God’s word made flesh.
Me: It was God’s mind becoming as one God’s with the fleshly mind of the man of the seed of David through the word or holy spirit. This is similarly to Adam and Eve becoming one flesh. They were of one human mind and spirit i.e. the two living as though they were one. The promise was salvation through the sacrifice of the Messiah.
You: Another thing that is for sure, simple and clear, is that God gave Isaiah a promise that had been With God since the foundation of the world, which was of an anointing of a descendant of David who would be sent out and be for a light. Jesus quotes this promise concerning him. The anointing and sending of Jesus to preach God’s Gospel was certainly God’s word made flesh.
Me: The Messiah was anointed King and high priest after his ascension into heaven.
Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like (not in existence yet) the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days (The father older than the Son), and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
You: Another thing that is for sure, simple and clear, is that God gave David a promise that his descendant would not have his flesh decay, but would according to the flesh sit at God’s right hand to become an eternal king. Such is certainly God’s word that had been made flesh upon Jesus rising from the dead and ascending to sit at God’s right hand.
Me: God’s flesh was made spirit. You have it the opposite way around. God’s Word was made one with flesh at his conception.
Romans 1:4 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection (and ascension) from the dead:
1 Cor 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that (BODY) which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
Hi Jodi,
You do emphasize the flesh way too much.
1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Comment: If we are called the sons of God, then why isn’t the Messiah called the Son of God here on earth.
Matt 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Me: The Messiah is the literal Son of God.
TC……All those being lead by the spirit of God “are ” sons of God, not just Jesus. WHAT makes you think we are not “literial” son of God also?
Rom 8:14, Gal 4:6, 1 John 3:2
In what way does that make Jesus any different then his brothers and sisters?
You also left out some inportant details in your quote, by not quoting the following
MATT 16: 18…… (please notice how Jesus equates his reavealed knowledge he has, with Peter’s, ) ……. And I say “also” unto you, that you are Peter (a God reaveald name) ; and upon this “rock”, ( what rock?, the power of God to reveal truth in the minds of men), I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Point is we can have the same reavealed knowledge of God in us, just the same as Jesus has. Those scriptures ties Jesus’ idenity with God, exactly as we have.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Gene,
You: TC……All those being lead by the spirit of God “are ” sons of God, not just Jesus. WHAT makes you think we are not “literal” son of God also?
Rom 8:14, Gal 4:6, 1 John 3:2.Me:
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Me: We are not fully the sons of God until we are born again from the dead. Those who endure unto the end are the born again sons of God (Luke 14:28-30).
Matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
2 Tim 4:6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
Me: Paul was not fully the Son of God until he was resurrected and had ascended into heaven. You are a born of the spirit son of God before you are resurrected from the dead, and a born again son of God at your resurrection from the dead.
Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the YHWH hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
New International Version
1 Peter 1:21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, THE firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Me: Christ was anointed king, high priest, and the spirit Son of God by his resurrection from the dead.Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;….
Me The Messiah was the Son of God of man or the Son of man.
…4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
Me: The Son of God of man became the Son of God of God spiritually by the resurrection from the dead. We too are sons of God of man and become sons of God of God by the resurrection from the dead.
Rev 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. 5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. 6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
Me: Christ was a man before be was resurrected from the dead and was worthy to “read the book”.
Gene,
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one LIKE unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Rev 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat LIKE unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Me: Christ is like the son of man but is composed of spirit and not human flesh.
New American Standard Bible
1 Cor 15:44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving SPIRIT.Gene
You quoted: Gal 4:6 and 1 John 3:2.Me:
Gal 4:6 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son (from the bosom of God), made of a woman, made under the law, 5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the ADOPTION of sons. 6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Me: We become like Christ and understand fully who he is when we endure to the end and are resurrected from the dead—not know. The Messiah is THE image of God. We are created in that image fully at our resurrection.
Col 1:15 Who is THE image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Me: He is the prototype. He is THE Image of God. He is THE Son of God. The article “the” before “Son of God”, “mage of God”, and “firstborn” of the dead makes him God.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in OUR IMAGE, after OUR LIKENESS: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Me: Man was to be created in both IMAGE and LIKENESS. As mentioned at the beginning of this topic, “OUR” in Genesis 1:26 refers to intensity rather than in number when applied to God. In the very next verse, God created man in “HIS” image
27 So God created man in HIS own IMAGE, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Me: God created man in “the IMAGE of God”. Even though the messiah was not born yet, God had his image in full view. God completes the creation of man in his “LIKENESS” from the resurrection of the dead.
The start of “LIKENESS”:
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:The finish:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all (4137. pléroó :completion) dwell.
https://biblehub.com/greek/4137.htm
4137. pléroó: completion
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