The Creations of Genesis 1 and John 1 Revised

This topic contains 199 replies, has 5 voices, and was last updated by  Truthcomber 3 weeks, 2 days ago.

  • Author
    Posts
  • #843505
     Truthcomber 
    Participant
    • Topics started 6
    • Total replies 896

    Gene:

    You: In what way does that make Jesus any different then his brothers and sisters?

    Me:
    1 John 5:20 And we know that THE Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is TRUE, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the TRUE, and eternal life.

    Me: We are adopted sons of God. We become the sons of God by putting on Christ. Yahsha is THE Son of God. He is the only TRUE Son of God. The Son of God never sinned. I guess you never have neither? Then of course, he is like you and Jodi. LOL.

    Matt 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and WORSHIPPED saying, Of a truth thou art THE Son of God.

    Matt 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and WORSHIPPED  him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.

    Me: The Messiah was worshiped from being a child.

    Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD…
    We should worship no other God but YHWH.

    Rev 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. 9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

    Me: The angel knew that only God is to be worshiped.

    Luke 19:14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to REIGN OVER US

    Me: Christ is our Master, he is our Lord. The Messiah is the exact expression of God and is God. He was worshiped as God. Do men worship you? Is he like his brothers and sisters in this regard? He is my Master. Is he yours? Are you lawless.

    The Son of God is God and should be worshipped as God, no matter when he came into being.

    #843506
     Truthcomber 
    Participant
    • Topics started 6
    • Total replies 896

    Gene,

    I wrote:

    Matt 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

    Me: The Messiah is the literal Son of God. I never really understood that understanding this simple passage it is a revelation from God and can be understood only by those he reveals it to…until I read yours and Jodi’s contrary discourses on this.

    Then you wrote: : You also left out some inportant details in your quote, by not quoting the following
    MATT 16: 18…… (please notice how Jesus equates his revealed knowledge he has, with Peter’s, ) ……. And I say “also” unto you, that you are Peter (a God revealed name) ;
    and upon this “rock”, ( what rock?, the power of God to reveal truth in the minds of men), I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

    Me:

    Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter (4074), and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
    https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/16-18.htm
    https://biblehub.com/greek/4074.htm
    4074. Petros
    HELPS Word-studies
    4074 Pétros (a masculine noun) – properly, a stone (pebble), such as a small rock found along a pathway. 4074 /Pétros (“small stone”) then stands in contrast to 4073 /pétra (“cliff, boulder,” Abbott-Smith).

    1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones (3037), are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
    3037. lithos λίθος, λίθου, ὁ, the Sept. for אֶבֶן (from Homer down); a stone: of small stones,

    1 Cor 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ (now Christ: the Word or holy spirit then).

    Me: The rock is Christ. The little rock (peter) is one of the living stones that are built on this foundation. The word revealed knowledge to the saints in the OT. The Word who is Christ now reveals it to us. No man can known God except through his Word (word).

    Christ is our foundation, NOT Peter.

    1 Cor 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

    #843507
     Truthcomber 
    Participant
    • Topics started 6
    • Total replies 896

    Gene:
    You: Point is we can have the same reavealed knowledge of God in us, just the same as Jesus has. Those scriptures ties Jesus’ idenity with God, exactly as we have.

    Me:

    No!!! Absolutely NOT!!!

    John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

    John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the spirit (word) of truth, is come, he (it) will guide you into all truth: for he (it) shall not speak of himself (itself); but whatsoever he (it) shall hear, that shall he (it) speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He (it) shall glorify me: for he (it) shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

    Me: Christ inherited all things including knowledge from the word or spirit in him. The Father in turn takes from the Messiah and shows it to us by the holy spirit. “It” is an alternative and I believe true rendering of instead of “he” in the scripture above.

    Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance
    he, it, the other, that very
    From ekei; that one (or (neuter) thing); often intensified by the article prefixed — he, it, the other (same), selfsame, that (same, very), X their, X them, they, this, those. See also houtos.
    see GREEK ekei
    see GREEK houtos

    https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/23-8.htm
    Matt 23:8 (NKJV) But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren.

    Me: Revelation came through God’s word or spirit of the OT. Christ is that Word of the NT. All revelation comes by him. No Gene, we learn through Christ, not directly from God.

    #843508
     Truthcomber 
    Participant
    • Topics started 6
    • Total replies 896

    Hi All,

    New American Standard Bible
    1 Cor 15:38 But God gives it a body just as He wished, and to each of the seeds a body of its own.

    Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

    John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

    Me: The seeds in I Cor 15:38 are spirit or minds of the spirit. God is spirit. He thus gives himself a body. If he gives himself a body, the body comes after his existence. That Body is the Messiah with a human aspect to his mind which is the exact image or representation of his Father.

    Adam and Eve had a spiritual aspect to their minds before they disobeyed God. The death of this spiritual aspect was passed on to all men.

    Matt 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead (spiritually) bury their dead (spiritually and physically).

    Me: Christ has both a spiritual and human aspect to his mind. We of his church do also when we are born of the spirit.

    Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one LIKE the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

    Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

    Me: The Father is spirit. You cannot see spirit. Therefore in Dan 7:13 this VISION of the Father with a body is the same ONE body of the Messiah. This is verified in Rev 21:22.

    Eph 4:4 There is ONE body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

    Me: In the OT God’s word was expressed through Theophanys and dreams and visions to the prophets. Today it is expressed through the Messiah.

    Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, (for) whom also he made the (ages);

    #843509
     Truthcomber 
    Participant
    • Topics started 6
    • Total replies 896

    Hi All,

     

    Young’s Literal Translation
    Romans 13:1 …for there is no authority except from God, and the authorities existing are appointed by God,

    Psalm 82:1 (A Psalm of Asaph.) God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods (men judges). 2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. 3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. 4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. 5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. I have said, Ye are gods (430. elohim); and all of you are children of the most High.

    430. elohim: NASB Translation
    divine (1), divine being (1), exceedingly (1), God (2326), god (45), God’s (14), goddess (2), godly (1), gods (204), great (2), judges (3), mighty (2), rulers (1), shrine* (1).

    Me: By the context, Gods here Psalm 82:5 mean rulers that God has appointed or sanctified.

    New Living Translation
    John 10:34 Jesus replied, “It is written in your own Scriptures that God said to certain leaders of the people, ‘I say, you are gods (2316:Theo)!‘ 35 And you know that the Scriptures cannot be altered. So if those people who received God’s message were called ‘gods, 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath SANCTIFIED (37. hagiazóto) and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

    37. hagiazóto: make holy, consecrate, sanctify
    Usage: I make holy, treat as holy, set apart as holy, sanctify, hallow, purify..

    https://biblehub.com/greek/2316.htm
    4. Θεός is used of whatever can in any respect be likened to God, or resembles him in any way: Hebraistically, equivalent to God’s representative or vicegerent, of magistrates and judges, John 10:34f after Psalm 81:6 () (of the wise man, Philo de mut. nom. § 22; quod omn. prob. book § 7; (ὁ σοφός λέγεται Θεός τοῦ ἄφρονος … Θεός πρός φαντασίαν καί δοκησιν, quod det. pot. insid. § 44); πατήρ καί μήτηρ ἐμφανεις εἰσί θεοί, μιμούμενοι τόν ἀγεννητον ἐν τῷ ζοωπλάστειν, de decal. § 23; ὠνομάσθη (i. e. Moses) ὅλου τοῦ ἔθνους Θεός καί βασιλεύς, de vita Moys. i. § 28; (de migr. Abr. § 15; de alleg. leg. i. § 13)); of the devil, ὁ Θεός τοῦ αἰῶνος τούτου (see αἰών, 3), 2 Corinthians 4:4; the person or thing to which one is wholly devoted, for which alone he lives, e. g. ἡ κοιλία, Philippians 3:19.

    Me: Theo used in verse 34 can mean magistrate or appointee by God as of the mighty. But overwhelmingly it means one of divinity, and such is the case in verse 37, The article “the” in front of “Son of God” confirms this. WE ARE NOT LIKE CHRIST IN THIS RESPECT, AMONG OTHERS AS I HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED. Christ is like us in his human aspects. We become like him in his Godly aspects.

    The scripture above is about SANCTIFICATION.  It is NOT about equating the Son of God with man.

    #843511
     GeneBalthrop 
    Participant
    • Topics started 43
    • Total replies 16,774

    TC……WRONG,  we learn from God the Father , just as Jesus learns from him, through the FATHERS SPIRIT, that abides in us.  What does this mean to you TC, “I am going to my Father and “your” Father, my God and “your” God.  Why do you try so desperately to “seperate” Jesus’ idenity with the father from us? , That is something  Jesus never did.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

    #843520
     Truthcomber 
    Participant
    • Topics started 6
    • Total replies 896

    Gene:

    Me: Here are the three corresponded verses that relate to each other.

    John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the (holy spirit), whom the Father will SEND IN MY NAME, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

    John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the spirit (word) of truth, is come, he (it) will guide you into all truth: for he (it) shall not speak of himself (itself); but whatsoever he (it) shall hear, that shall he (it) speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He (it) shall glorify me: for he (it) shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

    John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. 20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

    Me: How do they relate?

    John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will SEND IN MY NAME,…
    John 16:3 but whatsoever (the holy spirit) shall hear, that shall (the holy spirit) speak.

    Me: The holy spirit hears and reveals what the Father instructs it to speak.

     

    John 16:14 The (holy spirit) shall glorify me: for (the holy spirit) shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
    John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the (holy spirit), whom the Father will SEND IN MY NAME,…

    Me: The Father receives the word from the Messiah and sends it to us by the holy spirit.

     

    John 15:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him ALL THINGS that himself doeth:…

    John 15:14 (The Father) shall glorify me: for (The Father through the holy spirit) shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

    Me: Our heavenly Father takes from the Son through the holy spirit and shows it to us.

     

    John 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you

    John 5:19…The Son can do NOTHING of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. 20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him ALL THINGS that himself doeth

    Me: All things, here the thoughts of the Father, are the Messiah’s also. The Messiah can do nothing or speak nothing of himself because he and his father are one and the same person.

    So here is the scenario. The Father’s thoughts are his Sons thoughts. The Son’s mind has the humanity of the seed of David in him. So, the Son’s though are his Father’s thoughts. The Father takes from the Son and reveals it to us by his spirit, which is his word. The Son is the Father revealed through his word (John 1:14).

    John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

     

    #843521
     Truthcomber 
    Participant
    • Topics started 6
    • Total replies 896

    Gene: 

     

    You: What does this mean to you TC, “I am going to my Father and “your” Father, my God and “your” God.
    Me: God has more than one aspect: he and himself revealed. The Father is greater than himself (image) revealed (John 14:28).

    New American Standard Bible
    Matt 23:8 “But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers.

    New International Version
    Matt 23:9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah.

     

    #843535
     Truthcomber 
    Participant
    • Topics started 6
    • Total replies 896

    Hi All,

     

    Col 1:16 (Bible Hub) Because in (1722) him were created all things in (1722) the heavens and upon the earth the visible and the invisible whether thrones or dominions or rulers and authorities all things for him and unto (1519) him have been created.

    2 Cor 5:19 (Bible Hub) How that God was in (1722) Christ…

    Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in (1722) him should all fulness dwell;
    https://biblehub.com/interlinear/colossians/1-16.htm

    HELPS Word-studies
    1722 en (a preposition) – properly, in (inside, within); (figuratively) “in the realm (sphere) of,” as in the condition (state) in which something operates from the inside (within).

    1519. eis
    B. Used Metaphorically,
    2. of ethical direction or reference;
    b. for one’s advantage or disadvantage; α. for, for the benefit of, to the advantage of:

    Me: God in Christ created the world on account of the Messiah and for him.

    When the image of God died, it was as if the Father  himself died. The whole image of Christ died, not just the human part.

    So was Gene correct in that he stated that the Father had raised Christ from the dead?  Yes, he was here. I stand corrected on this point. The Father is God and so is his image (John 1:1-2) who is an expression of himself. The Father and Son are one and the same. But the Father is greater than the Son. The Father cannot die. But the Son did.

    Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, (1223:on account of) whom also he (the Father) made the worlds;
    https://biblehub.com/lexicon/hebrews/1-2.htm
    1223. dia
    Usage: (a) gen: through, throughout, by the instrumentality of, (b) acc: through, on account of, by reason of, for the sake of, because of

    Me: If you are heir in the first part of Heb 1:2, then in the second part the creation was made on your account.

    Prov 16:4 (YHWH) hath made all things for himself:…

    Me: The image of Christ is one with his Father.

     

    Then Christ is responsible to create the new heavens and new earth and therein after that.

    Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

    #843536
     Truthcomber 
    Participant
    • Topics started 6
    • Total replies 896

    Hi All,

    One main point in the last post is that in order for someone to have an inheritance, someone had to die.  When the Messiah died, it was as if the Father had died.

    Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

     

     

    #843537
     Truthcomber 
    Participant
    • Topics started 6
    • Total replies 896

    Hi All,

    Someone had to die in order that an inheritance be passed down to the inheritor.

    #843546
     Truthcomber 
    Participant
    • Topics started 6
    • Total replies 896

    Hi Anthony,

    Me: Good post…but I would like to add some clarity.

    You:

    The Watchtower book, Holy Spirit–The force behind the coming new order, printed in 1975 says that Jesus became the Christ at His baptism. This is not true. Jesus was born the Christ as it says in Luke 2:11
    for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord,”
    The literal translation of the Hebrew word mashiach (messiah) is “anointed“, Hebrew mashiakh (משיח) meaning “anointed”, and is usually transliterated into English as “Messiah“. Christ (Greek: Χριστός, Christós, meaning “the anointed one“)
    In the New Testament, Adam, and, most notably, Jesus Christ are called “son of God,” while followers of Jesus are called, “sons of God.” In the New Testament, ”
    Jesus came to be called “Jesus Christ” (meaning “Jesus the Khristós”, i.e. “Jesus the Messiah” or “Jesus the Anointed”)

    Me:

    New American Standard Bible
    Luke 2:11 for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

    Me: Yes, THE son of God was anointed TO BECOME our salvation.

    Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS (2424): for he shall save his people from their sins.
    2424 Iēsoús – Jesus, the transliteration of the Hebrew term, 3091 /Lṓt (“Yehoshua”/Jehoshua, contracted to “Joshua”) which means “Yahweh saves” (or “Yahweh is salvation”).
    Old Testament:3091 Strong’s Concordance
    Yehoshua: “the YHWH is salvation,” Moses’ successor, also the name of a number of Isr.
    Original Word: יְהוֹשׁוּעַ
    Part of Speech: proper name, masculine; proper name, of a location; proper name
    Transliteration: Yehoshua
    Phonetic Spelling: (yeh-ho-shoo’-ah)
    Definition: “the YHWH is salvation“, Moses’ successor, also the name of a number of Isr

    Me: Jesus means salvation. Salvation did not come until the Messiah died. That is when he became anointed as King and high priest and became our salvation.

    Dan 7:12 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 13 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

    Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
    Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten (born) of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amien.
    Me: As King and high priest, first of his Church (after his resurrection and glorification), he would bring salvation to all. He was actually anointed King and high priest from the resurrection of the dead and after his ascension into heaven.  But first he was anointed TO BECOME our salvation.

    New American Standard Bible
    Acts 13:33 that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that He raised up (verse 34:from the dead) Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, ‘YOU ARE MY SON; TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU.’ 34 “As for the fact that He raised Him up from the dead, no longer to return to decay, He has spoken in this way: ‘I WILL GIVE YOU THE HOLY and SURE blessings OF DAVID.’

    Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

    Me: We are saved by being baptized in the holy spirit—to die and resurrect with the Messiah.

    #843553
     Anthony 
    Participant
    • Topics started 0
    • Total replies 880

    Hi TC

    You said: Me: Jesus means salvation. Salvation did not come until the Messiah died. That is when he became anointed as King and high priest and became our salvation.

    Me: I can see that, that  make sense. Yes He would have to die to bring Salvation. But are you saying He didn’t have the Spirit at conception? Wasn’t He the Messiah then also? What do you think? Good post. Did you get that private message I send you, yes or no be fine.

    God bless 🙏

    #843560
     Truthcomber 
    Participant
    • Topics started 6
    • Total replies 896

    Hi Anthony,

    The Messiah had the spirit of God in him from conception (John 1:1).  Thus, he did not need to be baptized to receive it.  Jodi and Gene are saying that Christ was baptized at Jordan. This  doesn’t make sense, not one ounce of sense at all.

     Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

    Me: Was Christ baptized into his own death before he died later?  Did he need to be? Had he already resurrected from the dead before he died?  Was John the Baptist greater than he was?  John the Baptist received the holy spirit after he was born.  So did King David.  Christ received the holy spirit at conception (John 1:14).  He was the only one that had.

    John 1:15 For he (John the Baptist) shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even From  his mother’s womb.

    Psalm 22:10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother’s belly.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    I have sent you a reply to the message that you had sent me.

    #843561
     Truthcomber 
    Participant
    • Topics started 6
    • Total replies 896

    Hi Anthony,

    Thanks for the message.  I have answered it.

    #843706
     Truthcomber 
    Participant
    • Topics started 6
    • Total replies 896

    Hi Anthony,

    Gen 17:5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
    Me: God name Abram Abraham before he became a father of many nations. Notice, “I have made you” which is present tense as if it had happened already.
    Isa 14:24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:

    Similarly,
    Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
    Me: Notice that the name given to the Messiah was Jesus, which means savior, before this accomplishment, before he was resurrected from the dead thereafter will save all.

    #843707
     Truthcomber 
    Participant
    • Topics started 6
    • Total replies 896

    Hi All,

    John 1:14 And the “word” was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    Me: Christ had descended from God, his Father. Thus he is the Son of God. He had descendant from David, his earthly Father. Thus he is the Son of Man. In other words, he was THE SON of God of MAN. The word or spirit of God begot the spirit aspect of the Messiah’s mind to be of the exact image of his Father. The Messiah’s human aspect is of the seed or mind of his father David. This too was part of the supernatural impregnation of his mother Mary.  The only begotten or “one of a kind” son of God has had the holy spirit of life as his only spirit of life, not the spirit of the air. Seed is a spiritual quality. It gives life to the body.

    Me: Christ was born the Son of God of the holy spirit. This is the exact representation of the mind of God.

    1 Cor 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

    John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

    #843708
     Truthcomber 
    Participant
    • Topics started 6
    • Total replies 896

    Hi All,

    The baptism at Jordon.

    Matt 3:13 Then cometh JESUS (which means salvation) from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

    Aramaic Bible in Plain English
    Acts 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 About Yeshua who was from Nazareth, whom God ANOITNTED with The Spirit of Holiness and with power, and he was traveling and healing those injured by The Evil One, because God was WITH him.

    Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

    John 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and REMAINING on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

    Me: This is a continuing process, not a one time event. The first part of John 1:32 is in contrast with second part.  The first part shows the holy spirit resting UPON  the Messiah to empower him and guide him.  The second part shows that the Messiah, who was born with the holy spirit in him,  will baptize with the holy spirit to be IN us.

    Prov 3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

    Example:
    Matt 4:5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

    #843710
     Truthcomber 
    Participant
    • Topics started 6
    • Total replies 896

    Hi All,

    Born from the Dead as THE SON of God

    Psalm 8:5 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten (born) thee.
    Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

     

    Christ was made a king:

    Heb 1:9 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath ANOINTED  thee with the oil of gladness (holy spirit) above thy fellows.

    Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one LIKE the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

    Me: One “like the Son of man” in Dan 7:13 refers to one that will become the Son of God, i.e. the Son of God of man will become the Son of God of the spirit.

    New American Standard Bible
    Rev 1:13 and in the middle of the lampstands I saw one like (3664. homoios) a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded across His chest with a golden sash.

    3664. homoios Definition: like, resembling, the same as
    Usage: like, similar to, resembling, of equal rank.

    New American Standard Bible
    Rev 14:14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and sitting on the cloud was one like (3664. homoios) a son of man, having a golden crown on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand.

    Me: No where after Pentecost is Christ called “The Son of man”.  He is the Son of God of the holy spirit and not the Son of God of man anymore.  Yes, he does have the traits of the humanity of the seed of David in his character but is the Son of God born of the spirit from the resurrection from the dead.

    1 Cor 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.


    Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

    Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

     

    Christ was made a high priest:
    Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

    #843727
     Truthcomber 
    Participant
    • Topics started 6
    • Total replies 896

    Hi All,

     

    Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

    Me: Now a mediator is between two or more parties. The Mediator between the two is God, one person.

     

    1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

    Me: So God and the Messiah are one, because in 1 Tim 2:5 says the mediator comes from the now human aspect of God.

    Young’s Literal Translation
    Rev 5:4 And I was weeping much, because no one (3762. oudeis)was found worthy to open and to read the scroll, nor to behold it, 5 and one of the elders saith to me, ‘Weep not; lo, overcome did the Lion, who is of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, to open the scroll, and to loose the seven seals of it; 6 and I saw, and lo, in the midst of the throne, and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, a Lamb hath stood as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the Seven Spirits of God, which are sent to all the earth
    3762. oudeis: Definition: no one, none
    Usage: no one, none, nothing.

    Me: The definition of 3762. oudeis: is “one” not “man”.

    John 17:20 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 21 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

    1 John 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

     

    John 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
    Me: Not only is God mind through his spirit is in us, but our humanity is in him through Christ by the same holy spirit. Thus, the humanity in God through Christ is the mediator between God and man.

     

     

     

Viewing 20 posts - 181 through 200 (of 200 total)

You must be logged in to reply to this topic.

© 1999 - 2019 Heaven Net

or

Log in with your credentials

or    

Forgot your details?

or

Create Account