The Angel of the LORD

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 15 2012,08:27)

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 14 2012,11:48) g Quote …..A soul is the whole being not just part of it.   witch part can men kill and wich part it is only God that can destroy ? Terricca………..Man can Kill all of you , but ONLY God can restore all of you again. God alone can regenerate you by resurrecting you and He is the only one that can do that and must in order for us to become alive again after we die. You are falsely believing your Souls are still alive after you die Pierre. Our “only” hope for life again is in GOD 'alone' and NO OTHER. The whole concept of still alive after we die is a false Pagan teaching and has not scriptural support. There is no scripture that say we are still alive after we die ,otherwise we would not be “DEAD” would we,  if there is a scripture please Post it. peace and love to you and yours………………………………….gene

gene

you are hopeless ,you disregard scriptures in a way that they are only an outline to your desires.

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 15 2012,12:26)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2012,18:41) Hi Mike, 1) The Angels took them to wife.                            Mary was not God's wife. He obviously planted the seed of Jesus     This implies Angelic intercourse.                         (or just the “Y” chromosome needed to be male) by other means. 2) No clue. Wait a minute, Jesus resurrected body may be identical to theirs?     …just a thought? 3) This seems to be the case regardless of point #2. God bless Ed J Edj. The Book of Enoch which has the complete record for what happened says that these angels also sinned against animals in the same way. Real intercourse or genetic engineering? Or perhaps just a fiction. That book says that they sinned against birds, animals and reptiles. Perhaps that's what dinosaurs were. As their offspring are known to be giants and the purpose of the flood was to destroy these creatures of which are now fossilized by some major catastrophe.

Hi T8,

Why would the bible say that they took them to wife,
and they saw that they were fair if it was not for sex?
I have no doubt there was animal DNA manipulation. but
that does NOT preclude the words of Scripture now does it?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 16 2012,04:53)

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 15 2012,12:26) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2012,18:41) Hi Mike, 1) The Angels took them to wife.                            Mary was not God's wife. He obviously planted the seed of Jesus     This implies Angelic intercourse.                         (or just the “Y” chromosome needed to be male) by other means. 2) No clue. Wait a minute, Jesus resurrected body may be identical to theirs?     …just a thought? 3) This seems to be the case regardless of point #2. God bless Ed J Edj. The Book of Enoch which has the complete record for what happened says that these angels also sinned against animals in the same way. Real intercourse or genetic engineering? Or perhaps just a fiction. That book says that they sinned against birds, animals and reptiles. Perhaps that's what dinosaurs were. As their offspring are known to be giants and the purpose of the flood was to destroy these creatures of which are now fossilized by some major catastrophe. Hi T8, Why would the bible say that they took them to wife, and they saw that they were fair if it was not for sex? I have no doubt there was animal DNA manipulation. but that does NOT preclude the words of Scripture now does it? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

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but that does NOT preclude the words of Scripture now does it?

wen was the written word of God made before or after the flood

[Ed J]

Hi Pierre,

Do you mean  “when was the word of God written?”  ?
Or do you mean  “when was “The Word” created?”  ?
You apply different meanings to both, right?  

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 15 2012,12:19)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 14 2012,13:08) Mike …..A soul is the whole being not just part of it.   …………………..gene gene. We have come to expect from you a disagreement on nearly every major part of scripture. Your view suggests that the souls under the altar around the time of the fifth seal were complete persons with bodies. Yet they are told to rest a little longer. So are there a whole lot of beds under the altar?

T8……So take up the challenge of the Scriptures i quoted then and enlighten us. It's not me you are disagreeing with T8 it those Scripture i quoted to you all and yet not one of you even address them Why is that T8, seems your my mind is set to disagree with not only what i say, but what the Lord our GOD has said also, so is it not really your mind that is denying God and his words. Another thing why do you go on the offensive here a slander me because i post directly quoted scriptures are you now my judge.

I could say the same things to you and others here but i chose not to, why is it that many Preexistences and Trinitarian always seem to indulge in character assignation to try to make themselves appear right.

Just commit on the scriptures i “quoted” and leave the rest of your deformation of my character out, if you can.

peace and love to you and yours………………………………gene

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 14 2012,19:26)

If what you believe Jesus meant doesn't agree with the LORD our and his God words , then who are you going to believe.

Gene,

I simply quoted the words of Jesus.  I can't see any other way to understand those words than the way I currently understand them.  Nor was I aware that those words supposedly contradict the words of God.  Perhaps you could post JUST ONE scripture in which you think God's words contradict what Jesus said in Matthew 10:28.  

Before you do, remember that the word “soul” not only refers to the “inner being” of a human, but sometimes refers to “life” in general, and other times to the complete being.

Here are the definitions of “soul”:
1) breath
  1a) the breath of life
     1a1) the vital force which animates the body and shows itself
in breathing
        1a1a) of animals
        1a1b) of men
  1b) life
  1c) that in which there is life
     1c1) a living being, a living soul

2) the soul
  2a) the seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions
(our heart, soul etc.)
  2b) the (human) soul in so far as it is constituted that by
the right use of the aids offered it by God it can attain
its highest end and secure eternal blessedness, the soul
regarded as a moral being designed for everlasting life
  2c) the soul as an essence which differs from the body and is not
dissolved by death (distinguished from other parts of the body)

So remember those many definitions before you post your ONE scripture.  Remember that if God said, “men are seeking your soul”, it would be the use of soul that means “life” – and would not contradict Jesus' statement that men cannot kill the soul.  Because in Jesus' statement, the meaning is the LAST one listed in the definitions.  (It is also the LAST definition meant when it is said that Rachel's soul departed.)

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 15 2012,04:53)

Hi T8, Why would the bible say that they took them to wife, and they saw that they were fair if it was not for sex?

Why would these things mean the angels had flesh?  Is human flesh the ONLY thing that can penetrate a woman?

This whole discussion stems from Kerwin's unscriptural belief that angels are comprised of “a different kind of flesh” – like some “heavenly flesh” or something.

Do you agree with him, Ed?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2012,03:02)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 15 2012,04:53) Hi T8, Why would the bible say that they took them to wife, and they saw that they were fair if it was not for sex? Why would these things mean the angels had flesh?  Is human flesh the ONLY thing that can penetrate a woman? This whole discussion stems from Kerwin's unscriptural belief that angels are comprised of “a different kind of flesh” – like some “heavenly flesh” or something. Do you agree with him, Ed?

Hi Mike,

I would assume the flesh the Angels had was the same as
the flesh Jesus had in the resurrection because of Mark 12:25.
Is this Kerwin's position or Your's or just mine alone (of us three)?

Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry,
nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

What part of Mark 12:25 speaks of anyone having flesh? And what scripture ANYWHERE speaks of angels having flesh?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2012,03:39)

What part of Mark 12:25 speaks of anyone having flesh?  And what scripture ANYWHERE speaks of angels having flesh?

Hi Mike,

It is implied in Gen.6:2 and again in Jude 1:6-7.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

No it's not. God impregnated Mary. Is it “implied” that God manifested flesh to do so?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2012,05:41)

God impregnated Mary.  Is it “implied” that God manifested flesh to do so?

Hi Mike,

Usually I understand your posts.
But can you explain this one to me?  

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[GeneBalthrop]

To all….Not one of you has yet to address the three scriptures I posted in Ezk , why is that? Is it because it proves you wrong about us not being resurrected with physical bodies and and proves the soul that is living has a body. There is no scripture that say we still are living after we die no not even one. In fact scripture say the soul that sins “It” shall DIE.

 Scripture also say all have sinned and come short of th glory of God. So some here go to revelations and quote about the souls under the alter speaking, but as usual neglect the fact that that book was “signified” better said “SYMBOLIZED” which means you can not take it literally in all places. The souls are people who have died in the faith and are memorialized by God,  for their sacrifices of their lives. The alter of God is where sacrifices are made and they are under that alter “symbolically ” speaking they are not “LITERIALLY” there. but are in memory befor GOD for their sacrifices they have made.  

Simple straight forward scripture spoken by GOD himself and yet not one of You seem to believe it or you would commit on them, but no just ignore them and then cast out dispersions of all kinds .

I still maintain a Soul is just the way God made it in the first
Place , he took dust from the earth and formed a man and he breath air into his nostrils and that earthly man became a living Soul, no “MYSTERY RELIGIOUS” speculation about it, its just that simple a soul is the “COMPLETE BEING” and if he or she is alive they are “LIVING SOULS” And of the are dead they are DEAD SOULS.

We are not alive when we die in any form we are totally dependent on God to be restored back to life. Notice also what God said in the end “and “Then” shall they “KNOW” I AM THE LORD , Why? Because they will absolutely know they were dead without hope of ANY KIND OF life at all and that ONLY GOD COULD HAVE RESTORED Back their Life, BY HIS OWN POWER ALONE. .  IMO

Peace and love to you all………………..gene

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 15 2012,14:59)

Not one of you has yet to address the three scriptures I posted in Ezk………….

Gene,

I don't read every post you make here. Why not post that one scripture for us, and we'll evaluate whether or not it says what you claim it does.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 15 2012,13:02)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2012,05:41) God impregnated Mary.  Is it “implied” that God manifested flesh to do so?   Hi Mike, Usually I understand your posts. But can you explain this one to me?   God bless Ed J

Nevermind, Ed. If YOU want to believe that angels manifested flesh, then believe it. Just know that this belief isn't actually taught in scripture. Neither is Kerwin's belief that there exists such a thing as “heavenly flesh” or whatever.

[terraricca]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 16 2012,07:28)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 16 2012,04:53) Quote (t8 @ Sep. 15 2012,12:26) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2012,18:41) Hi Mike, 1) The Angels took them to wife.                            Mary was not God's wife. He obviously planted the seed of Jesus     This implies Angelic intercourse.                         (or just the “Y” chromosome needed to be male) by other means. 2) No clue. Wait a minute, Jesus resurrected body may be identical to theirs?     …just a thought? 3) This seems to be the case regardless of point #2. God bless Ed J Edj. The Book of Enoch which has the complete record for what happened says that these angels also sinned against animals in the same way. Real intercourse or genetic engineering? Or perhaps just a fiction. That book says that they sinned against birds, animals and reptiles. Perhaps that's what dinosaurs were. As their offspring are known to be giants and the purpose of the flood was to destroy these creatures of which are now fossilized by some major catastrophe. Hi T8, Why would the bible say that they took them to wife, and they saw that they were fair if it was not for sex? I have no doubt there was animal DNA manipulation. but that does NOT preclude the words of Scripture now does it? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj Quote but that does NOT preclude the words of Scripture now does it? wen was the written word of God made before or after the flood

ED

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but that does NOT preclude the words of Scripture now does it?

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THIS

[Ed J]

preclude: Prevent from happening; make impossible.

That means one does not cancel the other.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2012,04:34)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 15 2012,13:02) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2012,05:41) God impregnated Mary.  Is it “implied” that God manifested flesh to do so?   Hi Mike, Usually I understand your posts. But can you explain this one to me?   God bless Ed J Nevermind, Ed.  If YOU want to believe that angels manifested flesh, then believe it.  Just know that this belief isn't actually taught in scripture.  Neither is Kerwin's belief that there exists such a thing as “heavenly flesh” or whatever.

Mike,

You are mistaken as the flesh of both Adam and Eve were not the same before God cursed them to return to the dust. There is the flesh that God created and then there is the flesh that is the result of sin. The two types of flesh are not the same but each is as Jehovah appointed.

As for angels they passed the same tests Jesus put forth to show they were not spirits; and yet you continue to claim that both Jesus and the angels are spirits.

The only spirit body I know of in Scripture; is the body of a ghost; and I am told that believers will not be found that naked after the resurrection.

[terraricca]

k

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You are mistaken as the flesh of both Adam and Eve were not the same before God cursed them to return to the dust. There is the flesh that God created and then there is the flesh that is the result of sin. The two types of flesh are not the same but each is as Jehovah appointed.

were do you get this are we not the descendant of Adam and Eve and their flesh and ours is the same flesh ,but we are born with their sin and curse ,but it was not the flesh that was cursed right

or was it because of their flesh that they were cursed or sin

Dt 9:4 After the LORD your God has driven them out before you, do not say to yourself, “The LORD has brought me here to take possession of this land because of my righteousness.” No, it is on account of the wickedness of these nations that the LORD is going to drive them out before you.

NOW IF YOU CAN PROVE WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT THE FLESH OF ADAM NOT BEING THE SAME THAN OURS ,SHOW ME THE SCRIPTURE, S, TO ME MEN FLESH HIS MEN FLESH ANY MEN ,

AND UNDERSTAND THAT CORRUPTION IS DONE FIRST WITH THE HEART AND MIND THEN EXECUTED WITH THE FLESH ,SO THAT IT IS THE SOUL INSIDE THE FLESH THAT SINS NOT THE FLESH ,THE FLESH HIS THE TOOL BY WITCH THE SIN IS MADE THROUGH.
THIS IS WHY SCRPTURES SAYS THE SOUL THAT SINS IS THE SOUL THAT DIES .

[terraricca]

K

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As for angels they passed the same tests Jesus put forth to show they were not spirits

WHAT THE TEST IN THE FLESH THAT CHRIST PASTED AS TO DO WITH THE ANGELS ,THE TEST IS FOR MEN,

HOW COULD THE ANGEL PAST THAT TEST THEY SEE GOD OR ARE IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD EVERY DAY ,

ANGELS ARE OF THE HEAVEN ,MEN ARE OF THE EARTH ARE STILL IN DOUBTS ON THIS

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