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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 06 2012,09:41) Paul was not dealing with a “TYPE” of BODY, except to the way it thinks, not a type of body, not being made up of Physical matter as you assume. But a type of MIND that is in that Physical BODY>
1 Corinthians 15:35
But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?”Gene, the above is the question Paul was answering, so he certainly WAS explaining different types of BODIES.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 05 2012,22:14) Mike, That is not a literal translation as soulish body is the one that is buried.
I have never heard of any such thing as a “soulish body”, Kerwin. Could you explain what it is you're talking about?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 07 2012,05:41) Mike………The Natural body is dealing with the way a Person “THINKS”
Oh right, that is why it says 'body'.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 03 2012,06:41) And please don't tell me about speculations, after all all Trinitarians and Preexistences are Speculators at best . IMO
An opinion is speculation.You ended your sentence in IMO.
Therefore it reads like this:
And please don't tell me about speculations, after all all Trinitarians and Preexistences are Speculators at best . I am speculating.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 07 2012,04:44) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 05 2012,22:14) Mike, That is not a literal translation as soulish body is the one that is buried.
I have never heard of any such thing as a “soulish body”, Kerwin. Could you explain what it is you're talking about?
Mike,Just something I learned when looking at the ancient Greek behind the English translations.
Helps Wordstudies:
Quote 5591 psyxikós (an adjective, derived from 5590 /psyxḗ, “soul, natural identity”) – properly, soulish, i.e. what is natural, as it relates to physical (tangible) life alone (i.e. apart from God's inworking of faith). It appears certain experts believe soulish is an idiom that means natural. It is only used in 1 Corinthians 44 & 46.
I suspicion it is in reference to the soul of the body being in the blood.
Deuteronomy 12:23, Leviticus 17:11, and maybe others though translators seem to prefer translating it to life.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 08 2012,02:29) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 07 2012,04:44) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 05 2012,22:14) Mike, That is not a literal translation as soulish body is the one that is buried.
I have never heard of any such thing as a “soulish body”, Kerwin. Could you explain what it is you're talking about?
Mike,Just something I learned when looking at the ancient Greek behind the English translations.
Helps Wordstudies:
Quote 5591 psyxikós (an adjective, derived from 5590 /psyxḗ, “soul, natural identity”) – properly, soulish, i.e. what is natural, as it relates to physical (tangible) life alone (i.e. apart from God's inworking of faith). It appears certain experts believe soulish is an idiom that means natural. It is only used in 1 Corinthians 44 & 46.
I suspicion it is in reference to the soul of the body being in the blood.
Deuteronomy 12:23, Leviticus 17:11, and maybe others though translators seem to prefer translating it to life.
Kwhat have you learn
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 07 2012,09:41) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 06 2012,09:41) Paul was not dealing with a “TYPE” of BODY, except to the way it thinks, not a type of body, not being made up of Physical matter as you assume. But a type of MIND that is in that Physical BODY>
1 Corinthians 15:35
But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?”Gene, the above is the question Paul was answering, so he certainly WAS explaining different types of BODIES.
Mike……….Have you every looked up what a BODY “IS”. A “SPIRITUAL “, BODY is still a “BODY”. Paul did not say a SPIRIT BODY as you assume he meant. Every example Paul gave showed all were physical BODY involved, even though it was Not the exact “SAME” Body that was Planted or Buried. Non the less it was a “physical” Body that came up in all examples he gave.Paul was not saying we would not have Physical Bodies, he was saying those “PHYSICAL BODIES” would be “Spiritually” activated. Jesus was resurected with a BODY and said a spirit does “not” have flesh and bone as He had Please show ONE scripture that says there are “SPIRIT” resurrections or regenerations. There is none Right?
Rom 8: 23….> And not only they but ourselves also, which have the first-fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, to wit, the redemption of “OUR” Bodies. [/B Now Mike what is the “OUR BODIES” referring to.
The word “OUR”, Bodies is relating to our PRESENT BODIES. A different Body would not need to be “REDEEMED Mike now would it?
It amazes me how you people do not even know what the word “SPIRITUAL” Means . Here is another example of Spiritual
Rom 8:6……. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be “spiritually” minded is life and peace.
Mike our bodies can be Carnally “minded” or Spiritually “minded” even now, They can “now” exist in any of these states. The Body it self is not the question it is how it exists either Spiritual or Carnal Minded. Spiritual is not referencing what a body is composed or made of, but how it operates or thinks. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 07 2012,10:11) It amazes me how you people do not even know what the word “SPIRITUAL” Means . Here is another example of Spiritual Rom 8:6…….For to be carnally minded is death; but to be “spiritually” minded is life and peace.
Yes Gene,There are many scriptural meanings of “spiritual” just like there are of “spirit”. Here is one of those meanings:
pneumatikos
2) belonging to a spirit, or a being higher than man but inferior to God
In 1 Cor 15, the “spiritual body” is the body which belongs to a spirit being. Paul is teaching that we were once HUMAN beings in natural bodies, but will be raised SPIRIT beings in spiritual bodies.
Of course, I don't expect you to agree with it now, since you fought against EVERY SINGLE PERSON on this site about it in the “Bodies” thread. Naturally, we're ALL wrong, and only you are right.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 07 2012,02:29) Just something I learned when looking at the ancient Greek behind the English translations. Helps Wordstudies:
Quote 5591 psyxikós (an adjective, derived from 5590 /psyxḗ, “soul, natural identity”) – properly, soulish, i.e. what is natural, as it relates to physical (tangible) life alone (i.e. apart from God's inworking of faith).
NETNotes says the word is a synonym of “sarkikos”, which means “fleshy, fleshly, carnal”, etc.Anyway, was your “soulish” post supposed to be disagreeing with what I posted to Gene? If so, with what part were you disagreeing? I'm still not sure what point you're trying to make by introducing a word that I don't think any of us have ever heard or used in our lifetime.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2012,08:04) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 07 2012,02:29) Just something I learned when looking at the ancient Greek behind the English translations. Helps Wordstudies:
Quote 5591 psyxikós (an adjective, derived from 5590 /psyxḗ, “soul, natural identity”) – properly, soulish, i.e. what is natural, as it relates to physical (tangible) life alone (i.e. apart from God's inworking of faith).
NETNotes says the word is a synonym of “sarkikos”, which means “fleshy, fleshly, carnal”, etc.Anyway, was your “soulish” post supposed to be disagreeing with what I posted to Gene? If so, with what part were you disagreeing? I'm still not sure what point you're trying to make by introducing a word that I don't think any of us have ever heard or used in our lifetime.
Mike,The soul is what gives the flesh life at this time; the Spirit is what gives creation life after the resurrection.
Flesh is also used as an idiom; as your sources tell us, but was not used in 1 Corinthians 15:44 & 46.
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 07 2012,18:00) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 08 2012,02:29) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 07 2012,04:44) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 05 2012,22:14) Mike, That is not a literal translation as soulish body is the one that is buried.
I have never heard of any such thing as a “soulish body”, Kerwin. Could you explain what it is you're talking about?
Mike,Just something I learned when looking at the ancient Greek behind the English translations.
Helps Wordstudies:
Quote 5591 psyxikós (an adjective, derived from 5590 /psyxḗ, “soul, natural identity”) – properly, soulish, i.e. what is natural, as it relates to physical (tangible) life alone (i.e. apart from God's inworking of faith). It appears certain experts believe soulish is an idiom that means natural. It is only used in 1 Corinthians 44 & 46.
I suspicion it is in reference to the soul of the body being in the blood.
Deuteronomy 12:23, Leviticus 17:11, and maybe others though translators seem to prefer translating it to life.
Kwhat have you learn
T,The soul gives life to the mortal body.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 09 2012,02:52) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 07 2012,18:00) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 08 2012,02:29) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 07 2012,04:44) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 05 2012,22:14) Mike, That is not a literal translation as soulish body is the one that is buried.
I have never heard of any such thing as a “soulish body”, Kerwin. Could you explain what it is you're talking about?
Mike,Just something I learned when looking at the ancient Greek behind the English translations.
Helps Wordstudies:
Quote 5591 psyxikós (an adjective, derived from 5590 /psyxḗ, “soul, natural identity”) – properly, soulish, i.e. what is natural, as it relates to physical (tangible) life alone (i.e. apart from God's inworking of faith). It appears certain experts believe soulish is an idiom that means natural. It is only used in 1 Corinthians 44 & 46.
I suspicion it is in reference to the soul of the body being in the blood.
Deuteronomy 12:23, Leviticus 17:11, and maybe others though translators seem to prefer translating it to life.
Kwhat have you learn
T,The soul gives life to the mortal body.
Kyou mean MOTION but it is the soul that his the live and the being ,right
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2012,12:59) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 07 2012,10:11) It amazes me how you people do not even know what the word “SPIRITUAL” Means . Here is another example of Spiritual Rom 8:6…….For to be carnally minded is death; but to be “spiritually” minded is life and peace.
Yes Gene,There are many scriptural meanings of “spiritual” just like there are of “spirit”. Here is one of those meanings:
pneumatikos
2) belonging to a spirit, or a being higher than man but inferior to God
In 1 Cor 15, the “spiritual body” is the body which belongs to a spirit being. Paul is teaching that we were once HUMAN beings in natural bodies, but will be raised SPIRIT beings in spiritual bodies.
Of course, I don't expect you to agree with it now, since you fought against EVERY SINGLE PERSON on this site about it in the “Bodies” thread. Naturally, we're ALL wrong, and only you are right.
Mike………..Wrong, Spiritual means Spirit focused in it's simplest terms. It does not have all kind of meanings in scripture as you falsely assume. And never is given to mean a type of body makeup, all bodies or Souls are driven by the minds in them, that mind can be Carnal focused or “Spiritually” focused.Our bodies we are born with has life IN it and these BODIES are maintained by the Life which is the Spirit working in the Blood, these Spirits control and maintains and repairs our bodies even now. The spirit in blood sustains our bodies and thus our life, this “body”and Spirit is the complete “Living Soul” .
When a man dies the Spirit in the blood leaves his body and returns to God who gave it in the first place that soul dies. This is why God said Ables blood cried unto him from the ground where it was spilled. Life of the body is (Spirit) and is in the blood. Because LIFE “IS” SPIRIT living “IN” bodies.
There is no such thing as a SPIRIT “BODY” , there is only “Spirit in “BODIES”> A man can focus to the flesh body or focus to the Spirit in which case would make him “Spiritual” or Godly Minded even now.
But all bodies are spiritually maintained even now and will be at the resurrection also. Spirit is Spirit a Body is a Body and it takes both to be a LIVING SOUL. IMO
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 08 2012,02:49) Mike, The soul is what gives the flesh life at this time; the Spirit is what gives creation life after the resurrection.
Flesh is also used as an idiom; as your sources tell us, but was not used in 1 Corinthians 15:44 & 46.
Kerwin,In 1 Cor 15, Paul answers these questions: How will the dead be raised? With what kind of body will they come?
His answer is: With a spiritual body, which will replace the natural, fleshy body that died.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 08 2012,09:18) Mike………..Wrong, Spiritual means Spirit focused in it's simplest terms. It does not have all kind of meanings in scripture as you falsely assume.
I'll tell you what, Gene,YOU keep on believing in only ONE meaning of “spirit” and “spiritual” in scripture…………….. while I and the rest of the world go on believing the truth of the matter, okay?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 09 2012,02:42) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 08 2012,02:49) Mike, The soul is what gives the flesh life at this time; the Spirit is what gives creation life after the resurrection.
Flesh is also used as an idiom; as your sources tell us, but was not used in 1 Corinthians 15:44 & 46.
Kerwin,In 1 Cor 15, Paul answers these questions: How will the dead be raised? With what kind of body will they come?
His answer is: With a spiritual body, which will replace the natural, fleshy body that died.
Agreed. Paul said that the resurrection body is “not made with hands,” 2 Corinthians 5:1. The expression “not made with hands” means “not of THis creation, ” Hebrews 9:11 NKJV
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