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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 29 2012,11:10) I've already answered your “quest” to me, Gene. 
Jesus was telling us that God knows us inside and out – to the point of knowing the exact numbers of hairs on our heads. He was pointing out that we are IMPORTANT to God, and not just like specs of sand on a seashore.
Mike………..Point is why used a Physical thing like Hair to illustrate that Point, and the other point is why would God even care about our “EXACTNESS” in any Physical sense if a Physical “Body” would not be Need again but was only going to be done away with as you presume we will be a “SPIRIT BEINGS” in the resurrection?Mike all resurrections in the scriptures show a “PHYSICAL” Body reconstructed or as Jesus put it in the regeneration> Jesus “BODY” was regenerated BY GOD after He died Mike> He plainly said He was not a “SPIRIT” , a spirit has not flesh and bone as you see i have
Peace and love to you and yours Mike……………………………….gene
Mat.22:30. In the resurrection they neither marry,nor are given to marriage,BUT ARE AS THE ANGELS OF GOD IN HEAVEN.
John 6:62. It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth NOTHING: The words that I speak to you they are spirit ,and they are life.
wakeup.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 29 2012,09:00) Mike………..Point is why used a Physical thing like Hair to illustrate that Point…………
Why not? Hair is arguably the least important part of the human anatomy, yet God knows the exact number of them on everyone's head.The point is if God knows the exact number of the least important body part, then He knows us pretty darn well.
It means we are IMPORTANT to God, Gene.
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 29 2012,17:29) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 30 2012,04:33) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2012,17:41) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 27 2012,21:07)
T,We are taught that the soul of a person goes to Sheol but that it is not destroyed there. It is destroyed in Gehenna, the lake of fire.
Abaddon, though means destruction.
Know you mixing more stuf ,and so now what is it that we were discussing
T,Not really as Sheol/Hades is the first death and Gehenna/The Lake of Fire is the second death.
Abaddon's name hints it refers to the second death but it is seemingly used to speak of the first and then as a companion to Sheol.
Jesus speaks of a land of torment within Sheol; and Abaddon's name seems to fit such a place.
kRev 9:11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon.(means destroyer)
is this scritpure reffers to the grave
? read it again Christ to me in his parable illustrate the place were one righteous goes and were the wicked goes waiting for the time of judgement.
so that even in dead the righteous are kept separated from the wickeds ,
T;The NASB is a better translation when speaking of Sheol and Abaddon as it keeps those names for both and does not translate them.
There 6 Old Testament mentions of Abaddon but Job 28:22 has the angels Death and Abaddon speaking.
The rest are Job 26:6, 31:12; Psalms 88:11; and Proverbs 15:11, 27:20. At least some are speaking of Abaddon as a place of the dead.
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 30 2012,17:57) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 29 2012,17:29) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 30 2012,04:33) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2012,17:41) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 27 2012,21:07)
T,We are taught that the soul of a person goes to Sheol but that it is not destroyed there. It is destroyed in Gehenna, the lake of fire.
Abaddon, though means destruction.
Know you mixing more stuf ,and so now what is it that we were discussing
T,Not really as Sheol/Hades is the first death and Gehenna/The Lake of Fire is the second death.
Abaddon's name hints it refers to the second death but it is seemingly used to speak of the first and then as a companion to Sheol.
Jesus speaks of a land of torment within Sheol; and Abaddon's name seems to fit such a place.
kRev 9:11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon.(means destroyer)
is this scritpure reffers to the grave
? read it again Christ to me in his parable illustrate the place were one righteous goes and were the wicked goes waiting for the time of judgement.
so that even in dead the righteous are kept separated from the wickeds ,
T;The NASB is a better translation when speaking of Sheol and Abaddon as it keeps those names for both and does not translate them.
There 6 Old Testament mentions of Abaddon but Job 28:22 has the angels Death and Abaddon speaking.
The rest are Job 26:6, 31:12; Psalms 88:11; and Proverbs 15:11, 27:20. At least some are speaking of Abaddon as a place of the dead.
kAND WHAT IS IT THAT YOU TRY TO SAY TO ME
I know what it means ,and it does not mean Sheol or hades
I try to see were you want to go ;and it runs away so what is it
T,
At this point I am investigating as I just recently learned of Abaddon. I do know that Jesus teaches of a place of torment after death.
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 30 2012,22:36) T, At this point I am investigating as I just recently learned of Abaddon. I do know that Jesus teaches of a place of torment after death.
kjust show me were Jesus teach abaddon
is abaddon the same thing than torment
T,
Jesus teaches of a place of torment for the wicked after the first death and calls that place Sheol/Hades.
I am not yet certain that Abaddon is another name for that place of torment.
I do know that Abaddon will lead what sounds like scorpion type demons out of an Abyss at the End of Days.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 30 2012,09:12) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 29 2012,09:00) Mike………..Point is why used a Physical thing like Hair to illustrate that Point…………
Why not? Hair is arguably the least important part of the human anatomy, yet God knows the exact number of them on everyone's head.The point is if God knows the exact number of the least important body part, then He knows us pretty darn well.
It means we are IMPORTANT to God, Gene.
Mike………..Right and it also means every Hair has been numbed for a definite Purpose, and to me it is for reconstruction or regeneration or a resurrection, however you want to put it.. There is a recorded record of our Genetic DNA Mike for the resurrection of another BODY MIKE. IMOpeace and love to you and yours………………………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 31 2012,09:39) Mike………..Right and it also means every Hair has been numbed for a definite Purpose, and to me it is for reconstruction or regeneration or a resurrection, however you want to put it.
Okay Gene.But just remember that this is your speculation, and not actually taught in the scripture. We are told that our hairs are numbered. We are not told that the reason they are numbered is for DNA reconstruction at the resurrection.
It's okay to speculate about what certain scriptures imply. But we shouldn't force that speculation on others as if it is scriptural fact. And we certainly can't use our speculation as proof that we will be resurrected in the same exact bodies we died in. (Especially when there are scriptures that teach something else.)
Mike………There are No scriptures that show any resurrection without a BODY, If so please post it. I have many reason to think that our DNA is preserved From scriptures, that show a regeneration taking place. Notice i said as Jesus, a REGENERATION, not a Generation. And please don't tell me about speculations, after all all Trinitarians and Preexistences are Speculators at best . IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 02 2012,10:41) Mike………There are No scriptures that show any resurrection without a BODY, If so please post it.
I don't know of any such scriptures either. That was your friend Toby/Istari/JA's claim – not mine. Yet you always took his side in the “Bodies” thread, didn't you? Scripture teaches that we will be resurrected with spiritual bodies – not flesh and blood ones.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 01 2012,02:50) T, Jesus teaches of a place of torment for the wicked after the first death and calls that place Sheol/Hades.
I am not yet certain that Abaddon is another name for that place of torment.
I do know that Abaddon will lead what sounds like scorpion type demons out of an Abyss at the End of Days.
KOK ,kerwin
when you ready ,and I am still around we can then discuss it
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 03 2012,03:44) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 02 2012,10:41) Mike………There are No scriptures that show any resurrection without a BODY, If so please post it.
I don't know of any such scriptures either. That was your friend Toby/Istari/JA's claim – not mine. Yet you always took his side in the “Bodies” thread, didn't you? Scripture teaches that we will be resurrected with spiritual bodies – not flesh and blood ones.
Mike………All resurrections in scriptures show “PHYSICAL” Bodies even Jesus' body was physical . The words Spiritual Bodies are referencing how those BODIES are functioning, not a Body type, a Physical Body can be a Spiritual “functioning” Physical Body Mike. And we can be “SPIRITUAL People even Now in these present Physical Bodies. IMOpeace and love to you and yours Mike………………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 03 2012,14:25) The words Spiritual Bodies are referencing how those BODIES are functioning, not a Body type, a Physical Body can be a Spiritual “functioning” Physical Body Mike.
44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.
Paul lists the natural body as something DIFFERENT THAN the spiritual body. You say they can be the same body. I believe Paul.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 04 2012,07:07) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 03 2012,14:25) The words Spiritual Bodies are referencing how those BODIES are functioning, not a Body type, a Physical Body can be a Spiritual “functioning” Physical Body Mike.
44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.
Paul lists the natural body as something DIFFERENT THAN the spiritual body. You say they can be the same body. I believe Paul.
Mike,That is not a literal translation as soulish body is the one that is buried. The KJV therefore also interprets the idiom to come up with “natural”.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 06 2012,22:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 04 2012,07:07) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 03 2012,14:25) The words Spiritual Bodies are referencing how those BODIES are functioning, not a Body type, a Physical Body can be a Spiritual “functioning” Physical Body Mike.
44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.
Paul lists the natural body as something DIFFERENT THAN the spiritual body. You say they can be the same body. I believe Paul.
Mike,That is not a literal translation as soulish body is the one that is buried. The KJV therefore also interprets the idiom to come up with “natural”.
Kyou on it again ,INTERPRETING THE SCRIPTURES WITH YOUR OWN VERSION AND UNDERSTANDING ,
create more question then answers; 1Co 15:45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being” ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
1Co 15:46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven.
1Co 15:49 And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven.Quote That is not a literal translation as soulish body is the one that is buried. The KJV therefore also interprets the idiom to come up with “natural”. how is your comment fit those verses above
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 04 2012,12:07) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 03 2012,14:25) The words Spiritual Bodies are referencing how those BODIES are functioning, not a Body type, a Physical Body can be a Spiritual “functioning” Physical Body Mike.
44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.
Paul lists the natural body as something DIFFERENT THAN the spiritual body. You say they can be the same body. I believe Paul.
Mike………The Natural body is dealing with the way a Person “THINKS” His complete Nature, another words from a Natural or Carnal mind Perspective , But there is also a Spiritual Perspective a Spiritual way of thinking or operating. Paul was not dealing with a “TYPE” of BODY, except to the way it thinks, not a type of body, not being made up of Physical matter as you assume. But a type of MIND that is in that Physical BODY> If Paul believed we will be a SPIRIT “BODY” he would have said it that way and not used the term “SPIRITUAL”. But he could not have used the term “SPIRIT” becasue there is no such thing as a “SPIRIT BODY” becasue Spirits do not have bodies they are assigned ones they can posses>Paul is relating to How the Minds in those Bodies will functioning as Physical minded or Spiritual Minded. No where was he meaning we are to be Spirit Bodied “BEINGS” with Spirit composed “Bodies” as you falsely assume.
Paul in many Places referenced being Physical or “Carnal “minded verses Spiritual or Spiritually Minded , He even said if we sow to the flesh we will reap death , but if we sow to the spirit we will reap life.
The word Body was used there to show in which way the physical “BODY” will mentally function and has nothing to do with the make up of the body itself. Jesus Plainly said, “A” SPIRIT does not have a flesh and bone “BODY” as you see i Have”. So if Jesus was not a SPIRIT then WHAT was he after his resurrection then?
WE can” NOW” be SPIRITUAL “minded” PEOPLE in these BODIES to a point, but there is still a war going on between the Spirit and the Flesh in these present Bodies becasue of our “CARNAL” Nature. Our minds are the driving forces of our bodies and that mind can be Physically ie, “CARNALLY” Motivated or be “SPIRITUALLY” Motivated. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………gene
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