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Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 31 2014,06:55) Marty Quote , but his salvation is a gift from God. the grace of God is free but without deeds we do not have a grace ;read and understand the scriptures
Mary Mary Quite Contrary.Why do you always have to argue with every verse, every statement, and every one?
We need grace in the first place, then we repent.
If we trample on the truth, then have we really repented?
God doesn't lead us to sin, but to righteousness.Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 31 2014,03:56) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 31 2014,06:55) Marty Quote , but his salvation is a gift from God. the grace of God is free but without deeds we do not have a grace ;read and understand the scriptures
Mary Mary Quite Contrary.Why do you always have to argue with every verse, every statement, and every one?
We need grace in the first place, then we repent.
If we trample on the truth, then have we really repented?
God doesn't lead us to sin, but to righteousness.
j42why are you getting upset with what I said is this not true
T.
There will be no gift given to them that are not seeking in truth.
You have the gift of arguing against every scripture.wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 31 2014,06:32) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 30 2014,23:52) Hi Pierre: My Father is my teacher, He has said that He will lead me into all truths by His Spirit.
Quote 1Cr 2:11
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.1Cr 2:12
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Cr 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.And it is for sure, that you are not going to teach me anything that you cannot support by the scriptures. I gave you scriptures to support what I have stated, but apparently, you know better than God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MARTYQuote God is responsible for creating the serpent that deceived Eve, tell me was it the serpent that deceived Eve
if yes then the animal where all fluent in the language spoken by Adam and Eve is this what you tell me the serpent is to me any way the cover of the real deceiver ,that ad to gain from the corruption of men ,what would have been the gains for a snake to deceive men
I have no intention of teaching any one anything just bring a light here and there , if you figure it is darkness what I bring so that is what it will be to you ,
Hi Pierre:This what the bible states:
Quote Genesis 3 New International Version (NIV)
The Fall
3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,
“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.15
And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring[a] and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.”6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (terraricca @ Jan. 31 2014,06:49) Marty 1Cr 2:7
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:1Cr 2:8
Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.1Cr 2:9
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.1Cr 2:10
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.1Cr 2:11
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Cr 2:12
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of Godwhat do those scriptures really say are the mystery and the hidden wisdom still mysteries and hidden
if so why Paul says that they have been revealed now at his time through the spirit of truth ,???but it is true it will not come to us sitting on a bunch in the park so to speak we have to willingly seek it BUT WITH WHAT SPIRIT SHOULD WE SEEK IT
AND FOR YOUR INFO GOD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR NOTHING BECAUSE ALL HE DOES IS OUT OF LOVE AND RIGHTEOUSNESS ,TRUTH,ALL HE CREATED WAS GOOD ,CAN ANYONE BE BEARING A RESPONSIBILITY FOR DOING GOOD
WHAT YOU THINK OF ME IS IRRELEVANT TO WHATEVER WE MAY DISCUSS I AM A NOBODY I JUST LOVE GOD AND HIS SON WITHOUT MEASURE ,
Hi Pierre:No, the mystery not hidden now, it was hidden from the beginning until the ministry of Jesus on earth, please read the scriptures, and the scriptures state that we should study to show ourselves unto God, and so, do what the scriptures state.
No, you are not a “nobody”, but I do think that you are “somebody” that should search his heart for some faults and when he finds them as God to help you to become the person that He would have you to be. faults.
And I am praying that God will help you with this.Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (terraricca @ Jan. 31 2014,06:55) Marty Quote , but his salvation is a gift from God. the grace of God is free but without deeds we do not have a grace ;read and understand the scriptures
Hi Pierre:This is what the bible states:
Quote John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Quote John 4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans. 10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
Quote Romans 5:16
And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Jan. 31 2014,20:50) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 31 2014,06:55) Marty Quote , but his salvation is a gift from God. the grace of God is free but without deeds we do not have a grace ;read and understand the scriptures
Hi Pierre:This is what the bible states:
Quote John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Quote John 4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans. 10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
Quote Romans 5:16
And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyQuote This is what the bible states: you should say THIS IS PARTLY WHAT THE BIBLE STATES “
Jas 1:25 But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does.
Jas 1:26 If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless.
Jas 1:27 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.Jas 2:14 What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?
Jas 2:15 Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food.
Jas 2:16 If one of you says to him, “Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it?
Jas 2:17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
Jas 2:18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.
Jas 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
Jas 2:20 You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless ?
Jas 2:21 Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?
Jas 2:22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.SO FAITH AS TO BE WITH ACTIONS SO THAT THEY WORK IN US AND BECOME COMPLETE
Marty
Quote No, you are not a “nobody”, but I do think that you are “somebody” that should search his heart for some faults and when he finds them as God to help you to become the person that He would have you to be. faults.
And I am praying that God will help you with this.this statement is plainly religion oriented ,look to find blame into the others ,EVEN IF I WOULD HAVE FAULT DO YOU BELIEVE GOD WOULD NOT MAKE IT KNOWN BY HIS WIP ,IF HE DOES NOT DO ANYTHING IT DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE OK ,HE WILL CHOSE THE TIME AND THE WAY TO CORRECT US,
THE PHARISEES ALSO TRY TO MAKE CHRIST FAULTS ,WHILE THE HARDLY CHANGE THEMSELVES ,
SO IF I SHOULD SEARCH MY HEART THAT IS COMPLETELY GIVEN TO GOD NOT RELIGION ;WERE ARE YOU SENDING ME TO RELIGION
I CAN SEE IF YOU WERE LIVING WITH THE APOSTLES PETER ,YOU WOULD GIVE HIM MANY RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE ,ON THE OTHER HAND I NOT SURE YOU COULD HAVE TRAVELED WITH PAUL ,
Hi Pierre:
When we are saved we respond to God with good works, in obedience to His Word, out of our gratitude for what He has done for us, and so, yes, faith without works is dead. But we are not saved by good works but because we believed what God has done for us in the person of Jesus Christ and when we believed we have come to Him with a repentant heart.
And I do know of what religion you are speaking, and I am not taking you anywhere except to the scriptures so that you can read them as God has stated them and learn from them until you learn not to argue when I have given you scriptures to support what I have stated. You are not arguing with me but with God if He stated it in the scriptures. And I did not accuse you of any fault, I only asked you to examine your heart to see if you might have some faults that God could help you to overcome, and I am still praying for you.
Maybe, he is correcting you through me. He used a donkey to speak to Balaam when he wouldn't listen to what God was saying to Him.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Feb. 01 2014,03:04) Hi Pierre: When we are saved we respond to God with good works, in obedience to His Word, out of our gratitude for what He has done for us, and so, yes, faith without works is dead. But we are not saved by good works but because we believed what God has done for us in the person of Jesus Christ and when we believed we have come to Him with a repentant heart.
And I do know of what religion you are speaking, and I am not taking you anywhere except to the scriptures so that you can read them as God has stated them and learn from them until you learn not to argue when I have given you scriptures to support what I have stated. You are not arguing with me but with God if He stated it in the scriptures. And I did not accuse you of any fault, I only asked you to examine your heart to see if you might have some faults that God could help you to overcome, and I am still praying for you.
Maybe, he is correcting you through me. He used a donkey to speak to Balaam when he wouldn't listen to what God was saying to Him.
Love in Christ,
Marty
martyQuote When we are saved we respond to God with good works, in obedience to His Word, out of our gratitude for what He has done for us, and so, yes, faith without works is dead. But we are not saved by good works but because we believed what God has done for us in the person of Jesus Christ and when we believed we have come to Him with a repentant heart. this is correct faith + deeds together give us the grace of life ;
Quote And I do know of what religion you are speaking, and I am not taking you anywhere except to the scriptures so that you can read them as God has stated them and learn from them until you learn not to argue when I have given you scriptures to support what I have stated. You are not arguing with me but with God if He stated it in the scriptures. And I did not accuse you of any fault, I only asked you to examine your heart to see if you might have some faults that God could help you to overcome, and I am still praying for you. you have it wrong ,i never argue with scriptures ,what i argue about is that someone takes one or few verses and then comment on it ,while other scriptures are nor supporting his comment ; so by no means do i argue with God word,
so what i point out is the wrong way of a person use of God's word ,not claiming that God's word his wrong ,
many here use one scripture and make lean toward there own faulty view or understanding ,while many other scriptures is saying the almost total opposite of what his comment is saying ,
that type of comment i challenge yes I do ,
my prayers go to all who believe truly with their hearts in total submission to there God and father through Jesus our Lord
Quote (942767 @ Jan. 31 2014,15:04) Maybe, he is correcting you through me. He used a donkey to speak to Balaam when he wouldn't listen………
I always thought you were an ass, Marty.
Of course you know that was just a joke based on your wording. You and I don't always agree on scriptural matters, but you've always struck me as a decent, humble, God-fearing seeker of truth.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 01 2014,11:07) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 31 2014,15:04) Maybe, he is correcting you through me. He used a donkey to speak to Balaam when he wouldn't listen………
I always thought you were an ass, Marty. Of course you know that was just a joke based on your wording. You and I don't always agree on scriptural matters, but you've always struck me as a decent, humble, God-fearing seeker of truth.
peace and love,
mike
Yes, Mike that is a joke, maybe you will be the donkey that God will get to use to reach him. No matter if he makes a comment trying to show that the scriptures that I posted mean something other than what I have stated, and I show another scripture or scriptures that what I have stated is correct. Stubborn, I have never seen anything like this.I don't understand how can get away with so much on this site?
Love in Christ,
MartyHi Marty,
To me is seems self evident that God foreknows anything He wants to foreknow.
There would be no such thing as a prophecy without foreknowledge of the future. And we all know that the scriptures are loaded with prophesies.
Pierre and Seeking Truth seem to think God doesn't “foreknow” these things, but is confident in His own power to bring about anything He says will happen in the future. So it's not really a matter of “foreseeing”, but a matter of CAUSING things to happen.
But take the case of Cyrus. God prophesied about him 400 years before he was born. So even if they say God used His own power to CAUSE Cyrus to come into existence 400 years later (which I'm sure He did), it doesn't negate the fact that God KNEW He was GOING TO cause Cyrus to be born 400 years later. And that is “FORESIGHT” – no matter how you slice it.
I mean, if God KNOWS what's GOING TO occur 400 years in the future, then God “FOREKNOWS” those things. And “FOREKNOW” = “FORESIGHT” = “FORSEEING”.
But that Deuteronomy passage I quoted a long time ago sums it up for me. Because it is clear from that passage that God FOREKNEW the Israelites would break His covenant by going after other gods.
So the only question that remains is: Did God use His own power to CAUSE the Israelites to go after other gods, thereby starting a chain reaction that ended with them eating their own children to survive?
I say “NO”. God FOREKNEW these things would come about, but He DIDN'T use His own power to CAUSE them.
To ALL……….God knew because, he created the spirit mind in man and those minds, will always work how they were designed to work. That is how God always knew, from the very beginning what man kind would do, because it is Man natural propensity to function as he functions. None of what mankind does is surprising to God. Mankind likes to think he is the Master of his Destiny , but that is far from the truth, because GOD is, and He's SOVEREIGN, “and” all knowing , and that is why God does not “ask” us to obey him, he commands us to. The TEN COMMANDMENTS, are not the TEN WILL YOU PLEASE DO THIS BY YOUR “OWN” so-called “FREEWILL” choices, they are COMMANDS from the SUPREME AUTHORITY, OUR ONE and “ONLY” GOD. That is why God the FATHER gave Israel his commandments in a form of LAW “FORCED” COMPLIANCE> Through the medium of FEAR, because, He knew no man would willing obey Him, so he used fear as a tool for working compliance to his Laws.
But we (true believers) have not come to that mountain “TO FEAR” as they did. We are not caused to obey God by the “WORKS” of LAW “forced compliance”, but by a New and Living WAY, through the SPIRIT of GOD. It has nothing to do with our SO-CALLED “freewill” Choices, But a NEW CREATION Performed by GOD HIMSELF> “We have not been given the Spirit of FEAR, but a Spirit of Power, Love, and of a sound Mind”. And God get the Glory for it all from start to finish. IMO
peace and love to you all…………………………….gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 01 2014,20:14) Hi Marty, To me is seems self evident that God foreknows anything He wants to foreknow.
There would be no such thing as a prophecy without foreknowledge of the future. And we all know that the scriptures are loaded with prophesies.
Pierre and Seeking Truth seem to think God doesn't “foreknow” these things, but is confident in His own power to bring about anything He says will happen in the future. So it's not really a matter of “foreseeing”, but a matter of CAUSING things to happen.
But take the case of Cyrus. God prophesied about him 400 years before he was born. So even if they say God used His own power to CAUSE Cyrus to come into existence 400 years later (which I'm sure He did), it doesn't negate the fact that God KNEW He was GOING TO cause Cyrus to be born 400 years later. And that is “FORESIGHT” – no matter how you slice it.
I mean, if God KNOWS what's GOING TO occur 400 years in the future, then God “FOREKNOWS” those things. And “FOREKNOW” = “FORESIGHT” = “FORSEEING”.
But that Deuteronomy passage I quoted a long time ago sums it up for me. Because it is clear from that passage that God FOREKNEW the Israelites would break His covenant by going after other gods.
So the only question that remains is: Did God use His own power to CAUSE the Israelites to go after other gods, thereby starting a chain reaction that ended with them eating their own children to survive?
I say “NO”. God FOREKNEW these things would come about, but He DIDN'T use His own power to CAUSE them.
MikeQuote Pierre and Seeking Truth seem to think God doesn't “foreknow” these things, but is confident in His own power to bring about anything He says will happen in the future. So it's not really a matter of “foreseeing”, but a matter of CAUSING things to happen. no,mike that is not what i think ,BECAUSE GOD IS THE ONE THAT KNOWS WHERE HE IS GOING “HE DOES NOT NEED FOREKNOWLEDGE ;THERE IS NO ONE THAT CAN STOP GOD FROM GOING WERE HE WANTS TO GO ,SO HE IS THE ONLY ONE TO KNOW OF WHAT HE WILL DO ;THE FACT THAT THERE ARE PROPHECY IT CONFIRMS THAT HE KNOWS FOR HE TELLS US WHAT WILL BE IN THE FUTURE,SO THAT WE (MEN) CAN HAVE FOREKNOWLEDGE OF HIS PLAN ;
does anyone need foreknowledge of his own knowledge
Mike
Quote But take the case of Cyrus. God prophesied about him 400 years before he was born. So even if they say God used His own power to CAUSE Cyrus to come into existence 400 years later (which I'm sure He did), it doesn't negate the fact that God KNEW He was GOING TO cause Cyrus to be born 400 years later. And that is “FORESIGHT” – no matter how you slice it. God also knew that his son will be send 4000 years AHEAD OF TIME down to give up his live for us all , this was the plan of reconciliation ,
God add many other plans less long in time some a few days , but in all cases God known s what those plans are and so he does not use foreknowledge when he tell men in prophecy what the things to com will be it is God that shares his knowledge to us of what he KNOWN'S that he will bring to be a reality in truth, SO THAT WE AS MEN HAVE FOREKNOWLEDGE OF THE THINGS TO COME FOR US FROM GOD ,SO THAT THE MAN OF FAITH CAN BE REJOICED IN HIS HEART WHEN IT COMES TO PASS ,
Quote (942767 @ Feb. 01 2014,14:06) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 01 2014,11:07) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 31 2014,15:04) Maybe, he is correcting you through me. He used a donkey to speak to Balaam when he wouldn't listen………
I always thought you were an ass, Marty. Of course you know that was just a joke based on your wording. You and I don't always agree on scriptural matters, but you've always struck me as a decent, humble, God-fearing seeker of truth.
peace and love,
mike
Yes, Mike that is a joke, maybe you will be the donkey that God will get to use to reach him. No matter if he makes a comment trying to show that the scriptures that I posted mean something other than what I have stated, and I show another scripture or scriptures that what I have stated is correct. Stubborn, I have never seen anything like this.I don't understand how can get away with so much on this site?
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyQuote Yes, Mike that is a joke, maybe you will be the donkey that God will get to use to reach him. No matter if he makes a comment trying to show that the scriptures that I posted mean something other than what I have stated, and I show another scripture or scriptures that what I have stated is correct. Stubborn, I have never seen anything like this. I don't understand how can get away with so much on this site?
Jonas tree would have be a better example ,but it is important that we do not let our ego grow over the works that God may or may not do through us ,after all it is his plan and his decision not ours ,and if we think God uses us then we would be wise to fight down our ego even more so not to fall into Satan sin ;
the glory of God will go to God not to any man
Terricca………..God not only tells us what he will do, he also foreknows, exactly what we will do, at any give moment of time, or he couldn't be “all knowing”, knowing the end from the beginning, he knows from the start all the way to the finish, both now, and forever, he always has.
Man”s ego come from him believing, that his destiny is based on his so-called “freewill” choices and efforts. His desire, to posses a WILL, “FREE” FROM GOD'S WILL, IS THE WORK OF SATAN HIMSELF, and functions to produce PRIDE. Egotistical people are all about themselves and there own so-called “FREE” WILLS, controlling their lives. “Free”-willed people are “STUBBORN”, and SELF-CENTERED People, giving themselves all the credit for what ever they do. IMO
love and peace……………………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 02 2014,05:52) Terricca………..God not only tells us what he will do, he also foreknows, exactly what we will do, at any give moment of time, or he couldn't be “all knowing”, knowing the end from the beginning, he knows from the start all the way to the finish, both now, and forever, he always has. Man”s ego come from him believing, that his destiny is based on his so-called “freewill” choices and efforts. His desire, to posses a WILL, “FREE” FROM GOD'S WILL, IS THE WORK OF SATAN HIMSELF, and functions to produce PRIDE. Egotistical people are all about themselves and there own so-called “FREE” WILLS, controlling their lives. “Free”-willed people are “STUBBORN”, and SELF-CENTERED People, giving themselves all the credit for what ever they do. IMO
love and peace……………………………………gene
gyou are given men to much credit way to much credit ,
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