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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 21 2013,21:26)

Mike…….You making the Word GOD a PERSON, it is NOT , it is a Relationship, and being a relative term it can apply to anything. Do you agree with that?

peace and love………………gene

gene

where in the scriptures it says THAT 'the word”OF God is a relationship

CAN A RELATIONSHIP BECOME FLESH AGAIN WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT OR EVEN MENTION A TRACE OF WORDS IN THAT DIRECTION

DO YOU NOT SEE HOW YOU ARE GOING IN GREAT LENGTH TO EXPLAIN WHAT SCRIPTURES DO NOT SAY OR SUPPORT ,THIS WOULD AND SHOULD GIVE YOU THE HINT OF A REASONING UNTRUE TO THE TRUTH OF SCRIPTURES ,

December 22, 2013 at 3:51 pm#364400

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Terricca……….God and read the General Scholuim , written by Sir Issac Newton , What i am saying totally agrees with Him. Also go and read what Jeff Beanner say that the original Hebrew word God meant in the original Pictorial language of the Hebrews. If the word God is not a relational word then why do we say our God, or their God , or the God of this or the God of that , The very words OF,OUR, Their, My, means a relational attachment. Your lack of understanding English words is affecting your understanding as usual.

This is another situation where the little Fox need to let the big Wolf, who it was addressed to answer for him. IMO

peace and love to you and yours Pierre………………………….gene

December 22, 2013 at 4:21 pm#364402

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 22 2013,20:51)

This is another situation where the little Fox need to let the big Wolf, who it was addressed to answer for him. IMO

peace and love to you and yours Pierre………………………….gene

gene

are you also believing that the english language is a divine language

if not .then my understanding in french or other language would be equal to english .

as for your comment about men ,are you telling me that their word his equal to the scriptures

to me they are only opinions ,just like your comments

December 22, 2013 at 5:48 pm#364408

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Terricca…………If you don't understand that the word GOD is a relationship, then it doesn't matter what language you use you still have no idea what you are talking about> IMO, Now please let Mike answer my post and butt out please. All you do is just throw out flack to divert and confuse the Posts, we are discussing. It seem to be above you comprehension level at this time. IMO

peace and love…………………………………gene

December 22, 2013 at 6:05 pm#364409

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 22 2013,22:48)

peace and love…………………………………gene

god is a tittle ;so is king,lord,master,and president ,,and so on ,,,,,,,

father is a relationship like mother,brother, sister ,and so on,,,,

opinions of yours are very disturbing ,because they let me know that you relly do not understand the scriptures ,but you do try hard to understand men's theories

December 22, 2013 at 10:04 pm#364410

Wakeup

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 22 2013,02:26)

Mike…….You making the Word GOD a PERSON, it is NOT , it is a Relationship, and being a relative term it can apply to anything. Do you agree with that?

peace and love………………gene

Gene B.

I agree with that.

Let's say I live for making lots and lots of money,
so I can be one of the richest person on earth.
So people can look up to me,because I have power.
My dream in life is to have power,to have a real good life.
Have all what I want, and get richer as I go along.
I can tell people what to do. All will look up to me.
That is what I live for;therefore that is my god.

Others dedicate their lives in sport;to be the best in the world,and get famous.
A person's god is what he lives for in this world.
What is in his heart; his desires in life.
All those things belongs to the god of this world.
He can make your dreams come true,only if you worship
all those things which is material and status.

But peace in your soul and life everlasting he can not give.
Only problems, and sorrows, and wars, and in the end it is death.

The kingdoms of this world belongs to satan,because all are after those things.He could give it to Jesus also,only if he worships all those things instead of the creator God.

Do as you your heart desire and I will make it come true;that is satan's motto.

wakeup.

December 22, 2013 at 10:50 pm#364412

Wakeup

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 22 2013,02:26)

Mike…….You making the Word GOD a PERSON, it is NOT , it is a Relationship, and being a relative term it can apply to anything. Do you agree with that?

peace and love………………gene

Gene B.

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Mike…….You making the Word GOD a PERSON, it is NOT , it is a Relationship, and being a relative term it can apply to anything. Do you agree with that?

LET US MAKE MAN ***IN OUR IMAGE**

wakeup.

December 23, 2013 at 3:54 pm#364433

942767

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 17 2013,11:11)

Okay. Let's use your definition #2 for a second – just for argument's sake.

In what way do you suppose the DINOSAURS were made for Jesus – since you believe Jesus never existed to see or enjoy them?

Mike:

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2.through A.the ground or reason by which something is or is not done a.by reason of

That does not mean that he had to be there when the dinosaurs were on the earth for them to be made for him. Just how God used them in the progression of his plan unfolding, I do not know. But about Adam the scripture below states:

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Rom 5:14

Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who(Adam) is the figure of him that was to come.

Love in Christ,
Marty

December 23, 2013 at 4:05 pm#364434

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Wakeup………Yes in the “IMAGE” of God made He them, male and female, but being “MADE” and Image, is to reflect something, It does not mean being made a GOD, An image is much Like when you look in a mirror and see an “image” of yourself, why ? because you are being reflected in it, We to, reflect the LORD, our GOD in many ways, we have been given that by our God, the ability to reflect him in life. Especially those who have received the Holy Spirit of Truth. But None of that ever makes us a God of any kind.

A God of any kind must meet the Word requirements, required in the Word “GOD”, and that is , TWO THINGS< ONE POWERTHE OTHER IS WHAT, YOU LEAN ON AND TRUST IN> therefore “FAITHFULNESS” is a requirement of a GOD. Faithfulness is a “STEADY ALLEGIANCE” a complete “DEVOTION” to something, “ONES” GOD, requires it. WE cannot have “TWO” God's because “ONLY” ONE will be A TRUE GOD, and the all others will be “FALSE” GOD”S (to us that is). Therefore it says < but unto us (true believers) there is but “ONE” GOD. > and that is why Jesus said to His God, in prayer, thou art the “ONLY” TRUE” GOD, to Jesus that is , and to all (true believers) there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, all others are false “TO US” that is.

As i have said any thing can be a GOD to anyone , but Not to US ( true believers) we have a GOD, and it is the same GOD, Jesus had and has. Anyone, who preaches other gods, or GOD'S as “TRUE” GODS, TO US (true believers), is preaching IDOLATRY. While others can have their “so-called” Gods, and to them they may be a GOD, but to us (true believers) they are NOT , they are nothing, having no power over us and we do not “LEAN” on them for NO support or Power, nor do we fear them, they are Nothing in our minds. IMO

peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene

December 23, 2013 at 4:09 pm#364435

942767

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 17 2013,11:14)

Oh, and how does definition #2 work in Colossians 1:16, where it is said that all things were made THROUGH him AND FOR him?

Should we change it to “FOR him and FOR him”?

And so, it would work the same way as I have stated. That scripture says that all things were created for him. If he was the one that created them the scripture would state that all things were created for “himself” not “for him”.

“For him” would imply that someone else created all things, and that someone is God.

Check out the Greek interlinear reference to the word through in Colossians 1 and also Hebrews 1:2.

Love in Christ,
Marty

December 23, 2013 at 4:45 pm#364436

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Quote (942767 @ Dec. 23 2013,21:09)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 17 2013,11:14)

Oh, and how does definition #2 work in Colossians 1:16, where it is said that all things were made THROUGH him AND FOR him?

Should we change it to “FOR him and FOR him”?

“For him” would imply that someone else created all things, and that someone is God.

Check out the Greek interlinear reference to the word through in Colossians 1 and also Hebrews 1:2.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty

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If he was the one that created them

but scriptures do not say the the son created anything ,so your “IF” does not stand right

December 24, 2013 at 2:39 am#364464

942767

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2013,02:45)

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 23 2013,21:09)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 17 2013,11:14)

Oh, and how does definition #2 work in Colossians 1:16, where it is said that all things were made THROUGH him AND FOR him?

Should we change it to “FOR him and FOR him”?

“For him” would imply that someone else created all things, and that someone is God.

Check out the Greek interlinear reference to the word through in Colossians 1 and also Hebrews 1:2.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty

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If he was the one that created them

but scriptures do not say the the son created anything ,so your “IF” does not stand right

That he is not the creator is precisely my point. You say that he pre-existed, and so, explain what the following scripture means:

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Hbr 1:10

And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

In conjunction with the following scripture:

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Rom 5:14

Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression,who(reference to Adam) is the figure of him(Jesus) that was to come.

Thanks for explaining it to me,
Love in Christ,
Marty

December 24, 2013 at 6:27 am#364470

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Quote (942767 @ Dec. 24 2013,07:39)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2013,02:45)

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 23 2013,21:09)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 17 2013,11:14)

Oh, and how does definition #2 work in Colossians 1:16, where it is said that all things were made THROUGH him AND FOR him?

Should we change it to “FOR him and FOR him”?

“For him” would imply that someone else created all things, and that someone is God.

Check out the Greek interlinear reference to the word through in Colossians 1 and also Hebrews 1:2.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty

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If he was the one that created them

but scriptures do not say the the son created anything ,so your “IF” does not stand right

That he is not the creator is precisely my point. You say that he pre-existed, and so, explain what the following scripture means:

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Hbr 1:10

And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

In conjunction with the following scripture:

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Rom 5:14

Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression,who(reference to Adam) is the figure of him(Jesus) that was to come.

Thanks for explaining it to me,
Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty

Heb 1:10 And,
“In the beginning, Lord, you founded the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands;
Heb 1:11 they will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like clothing;
Heb 1:12 like a cloak you will roll them up,
and like clothing they will be changed.
But you are the same,
and your years will never end.”

it is God that created all things but he did it through his first born called THE WORD and JESUS CHRIST on earth does the master architect lies because he says he created this thing or things even though he did not do any physical work on his creation no ,his creation was in his mind and so directed all concern to fulfill the creation ,this is why it says in Geneses LET US MAKE MAN TO OUR IMAGE ,AND NOT I MAKE MAN TO MY OWN IMAGE ,IT also says in Proverb 8;The LORD created me at the beginning of his work,
the first of his acts of long ago.
Pr 8:23 Ages ago I was set up,
at the first, before the beginning of the earth. and Pr 8:30 then I was beside him, like a master worker;
and I was daily his delight,
rejoicing before him always,
Pr 8:31 rejoicing in his inhabited world
and delighting in the human race.

14 Yet death exercised dominion from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sins were not like the transgression of Adam, who is a type of the one who was to come.

what was and the transgression of Adam was it not a direct disobedience to a clear command ,to me it was ;;
and until moses where the 10 commandments where given as direct commands was it not said that it was LIVE AND DEAD ,EQUAL TO OBEY OR DISOBEY YES IT WAS ,BUT WHAT THIS AS TO DO WITH THE PREVIOUS SCRIPTURES NOTHING ; UNLESS YOU GO INTO THE RESTORATION OF WHAT WAS LOST ,BECAUSE OF THE TRANSGRESSION OF ADAM

AND YES JESUS CHRIST PREEXISTED AS THE FIRST WORK OF GOD ,IT IS FOR THIS VERY REASON THAT HE WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT COULD SAVE US ,BECAUSE HE WAS THE IN BETWEEN GOD AND MEN AND ALL CREATION ,

THE BASIC RULE IN HEAVEN HIS LOVE ;BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IT IN THE HEAVENLY MANNER

December 25, 2013 at 4:07 pm#364549

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Terricca……….Marty is right , you need to go and make a word study on the word Through and see how many different ways it is used it is used in our scriptures, I gave Mike a complete list once of all the different ways, several years ago, But go ahead and do your own word study and then maybe you can get the true understand you need. IMO

peace and love to you and yours……………………………….gene

December 25, 2013 at 4:21 pm#364551

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 21 2013,08:42)

……..that GOD, of those people was “THEIR” GOD, why because it meet the requirements for a GOD……….

So then Satan DOES meet the requirements of being a god?

Agreed.

So tell me, if Jehovah Himself calls Satan a god, and Paul calls Satan a god, why does Gene Balthrop take it upon himself to say Satan ISN'T a god?

Because that is the real question.

December 25, 2013 at 4:24 pm#364552

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 20 2013,09:07)

Satan is no God at all to Us, why because we do not trust in him and lean on his power for any support………

Again, I agree with you.

I do not personally trust in Satan, or lean on his power for any support. But some people DO trust in him, and lean on his power for support, right?

So like you said before, that meets your own designated requirements for Satan to be a god – just like Jehovah and Paul called him, right?

So how then is he NOT a god – according to you?

December 25, 2013 at 4:29 pm#364553

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 21 2013,09:26)

Mike…….You making the Word GOD a PERSON, it is NOT , it is a Relationship, and being a relative term it can apply to anything. Do you agree with that?

peace and love………………gene

No Gene. I disagree with you on this “relationship” thing.

When I say, “God makes it rain on the earth”, I am not talking about a “relationship”. I am talking about the PERSON known to us as “God”.

December 25, 2013 at 4:34 pm#364554

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Quote (942767 @ Dec. 23 2013,08:54)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 17 2013,11:11)

Okay. Let's use your definition #2 for a second – just for argument's sake.

In what way do you suppose the DINOSAURS were made for Jesus – since you believe Jesus never existed to see or enjoy them?

Mike:

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2.through A.the ground or reason by which something is or is not done a.by reason of

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Rom 5:14

Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who(Adam) is the figure of him that was to come.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Hi Marty,

The only part in that post that addresses my point is the “I DON'T KNOW” part.

In other words, you don't know how the dinosaurs could have been made FOR Jesus, when Jesus (according to you) wasn't even around to enjoy them.

Perhaps “through” is a better translation than “for” after all? :;):

December 25, 2013 at 4:37 pm#364555