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Hi Carmel,
First point,
The Spirit descended and REMAINED on Jesus for BOTH JEWS and GENTILES alike you are DIRECTLY TOLD.
1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. 5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Second point, In the above passage we know from Isaiah 11, that this is the offspring of Jesse who God elected to rest His Spirit upon. He is identified NOT as a Creator but as one created, one of the PEOPLE who God gave the breath of life to and a spirit to walk therein, when the LORD had spread forth the earth, as He says by HIMSELF.
Third point, In the above passage the man elected from among the people, is CALLED to righteousness, where God holds his hand and keeps him for to be a LIGHT. We read the same in Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward,
Such is the glory of God that He would not give to any other man, a man who has God’s Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding, Council and Might, Knowledge and Fear of the LORD upon him without measure, being raised up in righteousness with God directing all his ways and sending this man out into the world TO PREACH, TO Deliver Captives. This man COMES into the world being SENT directly from HEAVEN/FROM GOD for to fulfill all of God’s will. Which it was PROMISED by God that David’s seed would do so.
Fourth point,
Matthew 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This IS my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
John DIDN’T KNOW that he was to baptize Jesus, Jesus tells John that he absolutely did need to baptize him, it was necessary to fulfill ALL righteousness.
Carmel, TO THE CARNAL MIND, the prophecies of Isaiah fall on DEAF ears, the WORD of God to them does not enter their heart, it does not present to them as the TRUTH of God’s WORD that it is, therefore they lack the Wisdom and Understanding that God gave through Isaiah. TO THE CARNAL MIND deaf and blind to Isaiah’s words, they would not see or hear that Matthew 3 is the fulfillment of God’s WORD spoken by Isaiah, made true in a man of flesh, as the WORD was indeed concerning a human, and Jesus was indeed a human. Jesus being immersed in water and rising up with the Spirit descending to rest upon him is the man who God promised He would raise up in righteousness and SEND out into the world directing all his ways for to be a LIGHT, delivering captives.
The CARNAL MIND INVENTS FABLES against the CLEAR GIVEN WORD because they are DEAF to the WORD. God electing a man from out of the people, calling this man to righteousness, where God holds this man’s hands and keeps him for to be a LIGHT directing all this man’s ways for to deliver captives, IS the WORD of the LORD. Your word Carmel are fables from the imagination of your carnal mind.
HEAR THESE WORDS, “Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Acts 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. 42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
It is a Son of Man returning Carmel in his glory, the glory God had promised unto a man in Psalms 8, that was His WORD before the world was.
Carmel, YOU PREACH a FABLE, that Jesus raised himself, when you are told numerous times that Jesus, that our CHRIST DIED, then God brought him back to LIFE and gave him the promises that God had promised unto a man. By Jesus others would have eternal life, by Jesus’s death he raises LIFE up again for others.
You are directly told that he was raised by God RECEIVING from God the promised Holy Spirit, that he was raised receiving the promises of the mercies of David. You are told that Jesus IS the firstborn of the dead of many brethren being the ROOT and OFFSPRING of David. Jesus when he had risen from being dead he did not preach that he pre-existed, he didn’t preach that he was the one true God, he taught his disciples about himself going directly to Old Testament prophecy, which was all about a HUMAN who God elected from out of the people. On top of this you are directly told that the End was declared by God from the beginning, in God’s WORD from the beginning was the MAN who would DIE and bring forth eternal life. Through this man God was able to promise eternal life even before the world was. You are told that God did not make earth in vain that He made it to be inhabited, it is inhabited by the firstborn of the dead AND the many brethren who are likewise raised from the dead. It is inhabited by the man who God called to righteousness in order to deliver captives. The promise is this firstborn man with eternal life will have dominion overall the earth, all creatures great and small, where the human child will play with no fear by the serpents den.
YOUR CARNAL MIND Carmel does not allow you to take to heart the clear given truth of Isaiah 45. You can’t put simple two and two together.
According to God’s WORD in Isaiah 45
There is one God and no one else, only He is good, and He made earth by HIMSELF.
He made earth by Himself not in vain but for it to be inhabited.
WHO is it going to be inhabited by? Obviously by the man who God elects from the people and calls to righteousness TO DELIVER CAPTIVES, and those captives that he delivers. They too are promised to be called to righteousness and have God also direct all their ways.
Now when God was making the earth and man by Himself not doing so in vain but for it to be inhabited the simple truth is that He was thus making it THROUGH and FOR the one called to righteousness who would deliver captives. Where they would all be raised from the dead given eternal life dwelling on earth in righteousness.
You don’t take other passages and change this given truth, if you don’t apply this truth elsewhere then you have no truth in you. This truth provides the perspective of how you read other passages. The “he” in John 1 is the LIGHT, if you believe in who that LIGHT is according to God’s word from Isaiah you understand the chapter in John 1 correctly. The LIGHT came to his OWN and they rejected him. The LIGHT was for the LIFE of MAN. When the One True God who made heaven and earth by HIMSELF said “let there be LIGHT”, in His WORD was also the LIGHT of Isaiah 42, all things were created by God not in vain by REASON OF that LIGHT. You are told it was by God’s mouth the earth was formed, He would not have said “let there be light”, if WITH Him there was not the other light PROMISED to COME.
We have eternal life as God had promised in His WORD before the world was, we have that life according to the LIGHT. Our LIGHT is a man who could do nothing of himself, he is a LIGHT for God had CALLED him to righteousness. People treat this passage as if it is just empty words, when it is of MOST GREAT SIGNIFICANCE that is to be applied to all other passages. Without this man being elected out of the people CALLED to righteousness NOTHING would exist, God would have never said in the beginning by His mouth, “let there be light”. That was the beginning and God likewise was also declaring the END.
You get it? The One True God declared by His mouth the END from the beginning when He made earth not in vain but for it to be inhabited. The beginning was “let there be light”, which is also the declaration of what the END IS. Humans on earth dwelling in LIGHT, dwelling in righteousness.
You don’t go from God’s word of Him creating heaven and earth by Himself by His mouth, not in vain, where by His PROMISED WORD a man would be called to righteousness for to be a light to deliver captives to then inhabit the earth with righteousness for eternity, to then turn and preach that Jesus pre-existed and created heaven and earth as having been a spirit son being made into God’s word, so this spirit son could create all things for himself.
You don’t go from being told that Jesus was raised from the dead the first of many brethren who received upon being raised the promised Holy Spirit and the promises of the mercies of David and be said to be the Son of Man returning in his glory being the root and offspring of David, to say that Jesus is the One True God, or Jesus was and is now again a one of a kind spirit son.
Hi Jodi,
YOU: The Spirit descended upon Jesus “LIKE” a dove, so now imagine a dove descending from the sky,
NO, NO, and NO Jodi, scripture didn’t say that!
Scripture said:
And John gave testimony, saying:
I saw the Spirit coming down,
That’s
AS FAR AS I GO Jodi.
Now it is your turn Jodi to
describe
a SPIRIT,
coming down FROM HEAVEN/from the sky.
And describe it AS your carnal mentality TELLS YOU, BUT THIS TIME I’M AFRAID
WITHOUT MENTIONING ANY PHYSICAL ENTITY.
JUST
A SPIRIT
HAVE A GO Jodi!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Carmel,
Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
The name of Jonas does mean dove, however the SIGN of Jonas EQUATES to the Son of Man being three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
The people of Nineveh repented at the preaching of Jonas. Jesus likewise preaches, and he does so BECAUSE the Spirit descended and remained upon him, and by that Spirit given unto the man Jesus of Nazareth without measure he speaks God’s word.
You: The “sign of Jonas” in Matthew 16:1–4 is related to the “sign of the dove”.
The DESCENT of the Spirit was like watching a dove descend. Carmel there is NO actual dove. Likewise there is no scripture that speaks of “sign of the dove”. You just make stuff up.
YOU ARE DIRECTLY TOLD what the SIGN of Jonas is RELATED to in Matthew 12.
Hi Jodi:
YOU: The name of Jonas does mean dove, however the SIGN of Jonas EQUATES to the Son of Man being three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
The people of Nineveh repented at the preaching of Jonas. Jesus likewise preaches, and he does so BECAUSE the Spirit descended and remained upon him, and by that Spirit given unto the man Jesus of Nazareth without measure he speaks God’s word.
The same story again!
Read Matthew 16 hereunder:
Matthew 16:1 And there came to him the Pharisees and Sadducees tempting:
and they asked him to shew them
A SIGN FROM HEAVEN
2But he answered and said to them: When it is evening, you say, It will be fair weather, for the sky is red. 3And in the morning: To day there will be a storm, for the sky is red and lowering.
You know then how to discern
THE FACE OF THE SKY
and can you not know
the signs of the times?
4A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign: and a sign shall not be given it,
but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
And he left them, and went away.
Now read Matthew 12:
Matthew 12: 38Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered him, saying: Master,
we would see a sign from thee.
39Who answering said to them: An evil and adulterous generation seeketh a sign: and a sign shall not be given it,
but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
40For as Jonas was in the whale’s belly three days and three nights:
so shall the Son of man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.
41The men of Ninive shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it:
because they did penance at the preaching of Jonas.
And behold a greater than Jonas here.
Now Jodi,
I leave it to you
to see the difference and
discern the truth!
this is my QUESTION Jodi:
Jesus asserted that
so shall the Son of man be in the heart of the earth
three days and three nights.
Answer Jodi:
Is Jesus being MAD or a LIAR, here!
SINCE ON THE THIRD DAY, HE RESURRECTED HIMSELF?
Peace and Love in Jesus Christ
Carmel……No where does the bible say Jesus “resurected ” himself. “Now if the spirit of “Him”, who raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, “HE” , who raised up christ Jesus from the ‘dead”, (God the Father ), shall “ALSO” quicken (bring to life) your “mortal” (dead) (BODY)”.
NOW WHO WAS THE “Also” THAT WAS RAISED, SPEAKING OF?
Carmel do you write your own versions of the bible as you go along?
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Carmel,
As Gene said, Jesus did not resurrect himself.
Acts 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Acts 13:28 And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain. 29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre. 30 But God raised him from the dead: 31 And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people. 32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, 33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. 34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David. 35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption: 37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
1 Cornthians 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
Ephesians 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
1 Thes 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
1 Peter 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Carmel, you are the one with a carnal mind, you are like an adder who stoppeth his ear to the clear given WORD of God. You want to pull out a verse and not even apply the context given in that same verse, nor the context just prior and just after in the same chapter, nor do you want to apply all the other passages given above.
John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. 36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. 37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them,Murmur not among yourselves. 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Carmel, it is not truth but only your delusional carnal mind that has invented a lie, verse 39 does not teach that Jesus resurrected himself.
Likewise, verse 44 and Romans 8 tell you that all is according to the Spirit of the Father, He draws us into faith of His Son. That same Spirit of the Father that CALLED Jesus to righteousness and directed all his ways, is the same Spirit that calls us into faith.
Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
as Paul said prior, 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Carmel, Jesus can still do nothing of himself, God is ALL in him, he is an eternal heir of God’s Spirit, God’s Spirit will never leave him, it will always direct him in the way that he should go. You are directly told that Jesus was raised having received the promised Holy Spirit. God says that He will be ALL IN ALL. Paul says that those that are LED by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God. Jesus was the fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecy, God called him to righteousness and directed all his ways. Simple truth, if God is directing all your ways you are thus being led fully by God’s Spirit, and thus you are a Son of God. If we are said to be Sons of God by being led by God’s Spirit, and we are said to be made in the image of God’s Son who is the firstborn of the dead, then it should be obvious to you that we are promised to have God direct all our ways, to have God call us to righteousness so we to0 can live without sin and be perfect. The very reason WHY we are said to be heirs of God and JOINT heirs WITH CHRIST.
Hi Jodi,
Just to remind you:
describe
a SPIRIT,
coming down FROM HEAVEN/from the sky.
And describe it AS your carnal mentality TELLS YOU, BUT THIS TIME I’M AFRAID
WITHOUT MENTIONING ANY PHYSICAL ENTITY.
JUST
A SPIRIT
HAVE A GO Jodi!
I AM WAITING
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
HI Jodi,
Read Matthew 16 hereunder:
Matthew 16:1 And there came to him the Pharisees and Sadducees tempting:
and they asked him to shew them
A SIGN FROM
HEAVEN
2But he answered and said to them: When it is evening, you say, It will be fair weather, for the sky is red. 3And in the morning: To day there will be a storm, for the sky is red and lowering.
You know then how to discern
THE FACE OF THE SKY
and can you not know
the signs of the times?4A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign:
and a sign shall not be given it,
but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
And he left them, and went away.
Now read Matthew 12:
Matthew 12: 38Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered him, saying: Master,
we would see
a sign from thee.
39Who answering said to them: An evil and adulterous generation seeketh a sign: and a sign shall not be given it,
but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
40For as Jonas was in the whale’s belly three days and three nights:
so shall the Son of man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.
41The men of Ninive shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it:because they did penance at the preaching of Jonas.
And behold a greater than Jonas here.
I am waiting Jodi to tell me
in your carnal minded reasoning and wisdom
what is the difference between the two
regarding the word
Jonas
A SIGN FROM
HEAVEN
and
a sign from
YOU.
AND ALSO:
WHAT ACTUALLY JESUS REFERRED TO IN THIS STATEMENT HEREUNDER.
You know then how to discern
THE FACE OF THE SKY!!!!!!
and can you not know
the signs ofthe times??????
I AM WAITING
Peace and Love in Jesus Christ.
Hi Carmel,
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
YOU: describe a SPIRIT, coming down FROM HEAVEN/from the sky.
WITHOUT MENTIONING ANY PHYSICAL ENTITY.
JUST
A SPIRIT
HAVE A GO Jodi!ME: Let me tell you Carmel this is getting so ridiculous.
Why can’t I DESCRIBE what the Spirit descending upon Jesus looked like as according to direct scripture?
You seriously ask really STUPID/POINTLESS QUESTIONS!
According to Isaiah the prophet, one day in the future an offspring of Jesse was promised by God to have God’s Spirit rest upon him and upon that Spirit coming to rest upon him he would be SENT out TO preach God’s WORD, HEAL, DELIVER CAPTIVES.
WHEN was this fulfilled Carmel? I say it was fulfilled unto Jesus at the river Jordan, where we are told directly that Jesus left the river Jordan having been FILLED with the Holy Spirit.
According to prophecy the son of Jesse was to be SENT. Did the son of Jesse when SENT COME from the sea or the world? NO, of course not. Was he SENT coming from of himself, his own will? NO, scripture directly says otherwise. The son of Jesse was SENT coming into the world having been SENT FROM God, thus he came directly from the powers that be in heaven. He was SENT from heaven/ from God unto the people upon having God’s Spirit come to rest upon “him”, “him” as in the son of Jesse according to GOD’S WORD.
Hi Jodi,
YOU: Let me tell you Carmel this is getting so ridiculous.
Why can’t I DESCRIBE what the Spirit descending upon Jesus looked like as according to direct scripture?
You seriously ask really STUPID/POINTLESS QUESTIONS!
Me: Now read and discern the truth Jodi
WHICH YOUR CARNAL MINDED MENTALITY I’M AFRAID, HAS COMPLETELY BLOCKED THE ONLY SPECK OF
SPIRITUAL LIGHT
“THE WORD” JESUS. THE SON OF MAN LEFT IN YOUR MIND AND,
ENGRAFTED IN YOUR HEART,
ETERNAL LIFE. FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD!
SLAIN!
John1:29 The next day, John saw Jesus coming to him; and he saith: Behold the Lamb of God. Behold him who taketh away the sin of the world. 30This is he of whom I said:
After me there cometh a man, who is
preferred (IN THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF CREATION)
before me: ( BEFORE MY EXISTENCE)
because he was before me. ( THE BEGINNING, AS A SPIRIT, )
31 And I knew him not: ( AS A SPIRIT, the fact that He became MAN! The only way POSSIBLE for humans to see GOD.)
But that he may be made
manifest in Israel,
therefore am I come baptizing with water.
OK Jodi: NOT TO DECLARE IN A WAY THAT THE SPIRIT ABIDED IN JESUS
ONLY FROM THE MOMENT THE DOVE RESTED ON JESUS.
32And John gave testimony, saying:
I saw ( PHYSICALLY AS A DOVE, A SPIRIT CANNOT OTHERWISE BE SEEN Jodi)
the Spirit coming down, (SPECIFICALLY COMING DOWN)
as a dove from heaven; and ( SPECIFICALLY FROM THE SKY AS A DOVE!)
he remained upon him. (PHYSICALLY, AS A DOVE DEFINITELY FOR A WHILE, SIMPLY FOR THOSE PRESENT TO REALIZE FIRST THAT AN EXTRAORDINARY OCCURRENCE TOOK PLACE, AND THEN BELIEVE WHO JESUS WAS AS SOON AS THEY HEAR THE VOICE OF THE FATHER )
Jodi, for God’s sake, how those present could be aware of
who Jesus was if
THEY COULD ONLY HEAR the voice of the Father,
WHILE IN THE SAME TIME, A SIGN IS NOT GIVEN.
THE VOICE OF THE FATHER ALONE IS NOT SUFFICIENT!
THE DOVE ALONE IS NOT SUFFICIENT!
JESUS ALL BY HIMSELF IS NOT SUFFICIENT!
BUT IT IS MORE THAN SUFFICIENT WHEN THE THREE OF THEM
IN ONE INSTANT
DECLARE WHO JESUS WAS and ALSO
IT IS A VALID PROOF OF THE VITALITY OF THE UNION OF THE TRINITY!
The fact that IT WAS ALSO VITAL that this was the beginning of Jesus’ mission!
Something which Jesus Himself also repeated by His own mouth when He ended His mission before He left to heaven, regarding
BAPTISM!
Something which also occurred on Mount Tabor :
IN THE VOICE OF THE FATHER, IN THE PRESENCE OF THE HOLY GHOST IN THE CLOUD, and IN JESUS HIMSELF TRANSFORMED INTO
THE NEW MORNING STAR! IN FLESH!
Now read what Jesus Pin Pointed in
Matthew 16:2 BUT HE ANSWERED AND SAID TO THEM: WHEN IT IS EVENING, YOU SAY, IT WILL BE FAIR WEATHER, FOR THE SKY IS RED. 3AND IN THE MORNING: TODAY THERE WILL BE A STORM, FOR THE SKY IS RED AND LOWERING.
IN THE ABOVE JESUS MADE CLEAR TO THE PHARISEE THAT PHYSICALLY THEY ARE VERY CLEVER CONCERNING THE SKY BEHAVIOUR.
THEN HE SIMPLY MADE IT CLEAR AND SAID:
You know then how to discern
THE FACE OF THE SKY
and can you not know
the signs of the times?Attention Jodi:
What signs
FROM THE SKY
of the times Jesus referred to!READ AND DISCERN THE TRUTH:
4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign:
and a sign shall not be given it, (IN THAT MOMENT IN TIME)but the sign of
JONAS the prophet. (THE DOVE, WHICH CAME DOWN FROM THE SKY AND REVEALED
WHO JESUS WAS)
And he left them, and went away.
YOU: Let me tell you Carmel this is getting so ridiculous.
Why can’t I DESCRIBE what the Spirit descending upon Jesus looked like as according to direct scripture?
You seriously ask really STUPID/POINTLESS QUESTIONS!
IT IS YOU JODI, I’M AFRAID WHO ARE PRODUCING STUPID/POINTLESS REDICULOUS
CARNALLY MINDED CONCEPTIONS
BY WHICH YOU PROVOKE THEIR RESPECTIVE
QUESTIONS!
Read more scripture:
33 And I knew him not:
but he who sent me to baptize with water
said to me:
He upon whom thou shalt
SEE (physically)
the Spirit descending and remaining upon him, (DEFINITELY PHYSICALLY AS A DOVE IN A PHYSICAL WORLD)
he it is that baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
NOW ANSWER JODI:
HOW ON EARTH GOD, A SPIRIT ENTITY SENDS AN ANGEL IN
A PHYSICAL WORLD IN ORDER TO
MANIFEST HIS SON PHYSICALLY AS
THE TRUTH and
THE SON OF GOD
UNLESS HE HIMSELF DEFINITELY IN
THE HOLY SPIRIT LIKEWISE EMBODIED IN
A PHYSICAL ENTITY?
WHAT’S THE USE FOR GOD, A SPIRIT, TO SEND HIS SPIRIT IN
A PHYSICAL WORLD AND MANIFESTS HIS SON IF NOT
IN A PHYSICAL BODY?
AS A TRUE WITNESS?
AS PROOF THAT GOD
IS SOVEREIGN OVER ALL THE PHYSICAL
IN THE SAME WAY, HE MANIFESTED PHYSICALLY ON EARTH OTHER TIMES,
AS A CLOUD, AS A FIRE, AS A WIND,
READ MORE SCRIPTURE:
ACTS 2:3 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven,
as of a mighty wind coming:
and it filled the whole house where they were sitting.
Now tell me Jodi,
DO YOU ACCEPT THE FACT THAT THE ABOVE IT WAS
AS
A REAL SOUND OF A MIGHTY WIND FROM HEAVEN?
AND IF YOU ACCEPT THIS PARTICULAR PHYSICAL SIGN,
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT GOD
IN THE MOST CRUCIAL EVER OF ALL HIS MANIFESTATIONS, IN HIS SON
HE DIDN’T ACTUALLY COME DOWN
EMBODIED IN A DOVE.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel, I have never seen anyone hear who add more words to our scriptures that are not even written anywhere nor implied as you do.
You quote a scripture and then twist it to meet your own renditions, your a perfect example of who messed up a mind can get, when they change words in scriptures to fit personal convictions. If you are not able to take scriptures we quote to you at face value, as meaning exactly what they are saying, it becomes useless to even dialog with you. You simply are wearing JODI OUT, by ignoring those scripture she has presented to you . Please try to stay with scriptures as they are written, you will have a better dialogue with anyone here. Imo.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
You quote a scripture and then twist it to meet your own renditions, your a perfect example of who messed up a mind can get, when they change words in scriptures to fit personal convictions.
Take a long hard look in the mirror.
(DEFINITELY PHYSICALLY AS A DOVE IN A PHYSICAL WORLD)
Definitely? No.
It remains uncertain whether what was seen had the form of a dove, or descended / hovered as a descending dove.
And the Spirit descending in bodily form could be in the shape of a human body.
Hi Carmel and t8,
John 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. 25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. 26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, ….18 For as much as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. 25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance. 29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men/anthropos/HUMANS, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
TRUTH directly FROM scripture, the Gospel,
God’s WORD BEFORE the WORLD BEGAN was eternal life, eternal life for HUMANS who would dwell in the presence of God and worship Him.
Jesus of Nazareth a HUMAN approved of God died on the cross for the sins of the world bringing forth redemption/eternal life ACCORDING to God’s DETERMINED PURPOSE and FOREKNOWLEDGE. God made him both lord and Christ.
Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of Man of the fruit of David’s loins was raised from the dead to sit on his father David’s throne ACCORDING to the FLESH, such was an oath God had sworn, His WORD that He had declared from the beginning.
This Son of Man was GLORIFIED, he was raised receiving eternal life, he was raised receiving the PROMISED Holy Spirit, God’s WORD that was before the world began. He is the firstborn from the dead of many brethren, and he is OF the PEOPLE OF FLESH that will dwell on earth worshiping God.
Jodi and Gene lose the debate
Jodi, I skimmed through the scriptures that you quoted and of course I believe each one of them. But I noticed that you guys group scripture so that there are the ones you regularly quote from and the ones you regularly avoid, but only argue against them when they are brought up. Here are the best examples and by no means an exhaustive list.
John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.‘ “
“I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!“
to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.
He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God.
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father.”
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
It’s game over guys. You need to write a cleverly devised essay to try and disprove any one of these, but to disprove them all will take a crafty book. Lol. And no one would buy it.
Hi t8,
YOU: Jodi, I skimmed through the scriptures that you quoted and of course I believe each one of them. But I noticed that you guys group scripture so that there are the ones you regularly quote from and the ones you regularly avoid, but only argue against them when they are brought up. Here are the best examples and by no means an exhaustive list.
ME: Get real t8.
The scriptures in my last post tell you a clear simple fact which you just want to deny, hence why you chose to SKIM the scriptures I gave. You don’t want to allow them to enter into your mind. I give them so that you would think hard on exactly what they say/mean, but you even confess you just give them a skim.
You say you believe the scriptures I post are true, which of course you would. But yet you don’t give them when you speak of your position…hypocrite? You didn’t mention one of them in your last post. I at least give an exhausting and repetitive answer to those you say prove me wrong, showing you directly as to how they fit perfectly with the scriptures I give. YOU DO NOT do the same, you skim those scriptures and then don’t even discuss them. To me that shows your understanding to be weak and you don’t want to have to address those scriptures directly, you merely just want to say you do believe they are true, and then arrogantly say this topic has been put to rest. WOW!
The clear simple fact shown in my previous scriptures relate to these scripture I didn’t post prior that I will add now,
2 Timothy 8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God; 9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, 10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
Acts 13:23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: 24 When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
Now combine those with previous posted scriptures.
I will site this one again, I’ll even cut out some of the most meaningful parts in hopes maybe you just won’t skim this time.
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:…36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
The CLEAR SIMPLE FACT(S) you keep denying t8,
Before the world was, God’s word was a promise of eternal life. That word of eternal life, declared before the world began, was according to a MAN who would be crucified. ALL LIFE consists in this man, a man God says He MADE both lord and Christ. A man who is a savior, raised up to be a savior according to a PROMISE as he is a Son of Man, the son of David.
Why t8 would God have made anything at all without him, this MAN? The MAN crucified according to the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God who being crucified SHED HIS BLOOD. It is he who SHED HIS BLOOD in WHOM ALL THINGS CONSIST.
When God our Father said in the beginning, “let there be light” He KNEW of ANOTHER LIGHT, and His WORD was indeed of another LIGHT, the man who He would call to righteousness, hold his hand and keep him for to BE A LIGHT.
This man when he was called to righteousness he thus was the fulfillment of God’s WORD from the beginning. When this man was called to righteousness receiving the Spirit he was sent to PREACH God’s WORD. When this man was filled with the Spirit at the river Jordan he was sent to fulfill the very WORD of God to that which He spoke. Such is WHY Jesus of Nazareth, the MAN approved of God who IS the root and offspring of David was named by God the WORD of God. God’s WORD before the world began was eternal life, and Jesus of Nazareth was FIRST according to that WORD, making him proof that God’s word is true, and thus in this MAN is where our hope and belief in God is held.
Let’s connect that with, 1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
THIS DEBATE WILL NEVER REST, not until the SON OF MAN returns IN HIS GLORY.
Jodi……You are right they do not have nor won’t the truth. They simply ignore the scriptures we post to them. They do not earnestly take them to heart and compare them to their understanding of the scriptures, because it destroys their false teachings about Jesus. Bottom line is their aragrant pride gets in their way. If they were of the truth, they would have agreed long ago with those scriptures and have the same understandings we do.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
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