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Hi Gene You said: PAGE 7> Before that, he was the son of God, by God impregnating His mother Mary, but was not a anointed son until he was anointed at the Jordan river then he became the CHRISTO’S OF GOD. At that point the SPIRIT BEGAN TO LEAD HIM, just as scripture shows, you can’t find him being lead by the anointing spirit till after he was anointed by God with his holy spirit. Me: “at this point the Spirit started to lead Him” would you say that when he stayed behind in the temple, at the age of 13 teen, talking with scrips and priest that He wasn’t being led of the Spirit of God to do that? or did He do this on His owe? yes or no God bless
Hi T8 #post-842129 You said: What do others think?
1.) Nick corrected a heavenly angel because while lower than the angels for a time, he is so great despite that, his truth is greater.
2.) Nick is deluded and the angel is correct, that Jesus was the Christ when he was born.
Forced to choose, I go for 2). What about you, 1 or 2? Me: Number 2 God blessHi Gene “He first finds his own brother Simon, and says unto him, ‘We have found the Messias,’ which is, being interpreted, the Christ[Messiah]. And he brought him to Jesus.” John 1:41–42 Messiah= Christ= the Anointed One. Jesus Christ was always anointed. God bless
CARMEL…..So to you Jesus did not grow, in grace , and knowledge, He already was?
Gene,
As far as scripture is concerned, what you are referring to is only a reference to Jesus when He was only TWELVE.
Jesus started His mission at the age of thirty, AT THAT AGE
HE WAS PERFECT, HE STOPPED GROWING IN GRACE, AND KNOWLEDGE.
The fact that HE WAS BAPTIZED IN ORDER TO BE MANIFESTED IN ISRAEL. and GOD THE FATHER GIVES HIS TESTIMONY!
He was not baptized to become perfect. Now read scripture and explain:
Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said to him: SUFFER IT TO BE SO NOW.
For so it becometh US
To fulfil ALL JUSTICE!
What did Jesus meane with term
ALL JUSTICE?
Also what is the reason that Jesus was manifested in ISRAEL?
Now you also said:
YOU ARE MIXING UP prophetic Language with things all ready happened.
Can you be more specific please.
Again you asked:
Now ask yourself what was God doing offering his own Son for a sacrifice , what does it mean to offer a sacrifice for sins,
God the Father through the Holy Ghost, furnished Jesus with a FLESH BODY. To be clear since Jesus’flesh body was furnished/BUILT by the Holy Ghost, it was in actual fact the God’s PROPERTY. THE FACT THAT JESUS’FLESH IS GOD’S WORD MADE FLESH!
God furnished Jesus with His body simply to give it as A RANSOM, listen to this now.
He gave His body, the Father’s property, as a RANSOM IN EXCHANGE FOR THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE. Got Gene?
Jesus, for the pleasure of the Father, since the Father could never die, GAVE HIS BODY AS A RANSOM TO BE DESTROYED!
Now If Jesus gave His body as a ransom,
YOU ASK YOURSELF! IN WHAT BODY JESUS RESURRECTED IN, SINCE HIS BODY WAS GIVEN AS A RANSOM?
Can anybody pay for something, and he gets BOTH His money back and at the same time he also get WHAT HE PURCHASED!
DEFINITELY NOT!
So I repeat:
ASK YOURSELF, IN WHAT BODY JESUS RESURRECTED IN?
Also, be aware, that Jesus NEVER LOST THE BODY HE WAS BORN IN, the one HE GAVE AS A RANSOM! Asserted by Jesus Himself in
John6:39 Now this is the will of the Father who sent me:
THAT OF ALL THAT HE HATH GIVEN ME
I SHOULD LOSE NOTHING; but should raise it up again in the last day.
So reflect, Jesus gave His body, He never resurrected with THAT SAME BODY, and at the same time
HE NEVER LOST IT.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Me: “at this point the Spirit started to lead Him” would you say that when he stayed behind in the temple, at the age of 13 teen, talking with scrips and priest that He wasn’t being led of the Spirit of God to do that? or did He do this on His owe? yes or no
Anthony,
Jesus was TWELVE when He deliberately remained in the temple. Or more appropriate He disobeyed His Parents’ instructions, the fact that His mother asked Him why He did so. Now that means that Jesus SINNED, since He disobeyed. But in actual fact, he never sinned, simply as Jesus was not yet subject to the LAW OF MOSES at the age of twelve. HE HAD TO BE THIRTEEN.
Jesus did so as a message, that from that moment on HE WOULD SOON BE IN HIS FATHER’S BUSINESS, HENCE, SUBJECT TO MOSES LAW, and He would be obedient FOR SURE, well clear in
Luke 2:49 And he said to them: How is it that you sought me? did you not know, that I must be about my father’s business?
Notice Jesus’ words: DID YOU NOT KNOW? Obvious that He would soon be thirteen subject to Moses’ carnal law, and in obedience to God in respect of SIN. otherwise, He would not qualify as the redeemer. HE HAD TO BE PERFECT! This is pinpointed out by Jesus in
John8:46 Which of you can truthfully accuse me of sin? And since I am telling you the truth, why don’t you believe me?
Now read
Luke 2:50 And they understood not the word that he spoke unto them. 51And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject to them. And his mother kept all these words in her heart.
Reflect Luke said: AND HE WAS SUBJECT TO THEM, HE WAS OBEDIENT. It suggests that before Jesus wasn’t that obedient.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Carmel,
YOU:
John 6:39 Now this is the will of the Father who sent me:
THAT OF ALL THAT HE HATH GIVEN ME
I SHOULD LOSE NOTHING; but should raise it up again in the last day.
So reflect, Jesus gave His body, He never resurrected with THAT SAME BODY, and at the same time
HE NEVER LOST IT.
ME: Carmel you have destroyed what the verse is saying. How you treat scripture is truly unbelievable, you are filled with falsehood.
39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
That which the Father gave Jesus were people who believed in him, Jesus would not lose them but would raise them up on the last day giving them eternal life.
Carmel, what you speak is not only pure foolishness it is totally incoherent. Not only have you destroyed the context of what is being said, but what you are pushing it to mean is illogical and completely against scripture. The LORD promised the son of David that He would not allow his flesh to see decay, it would see eternal life.
Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Hi Carmel,
YOU:
God furnished Jesus with His body simply to give it as A RANSOM, listen to this now.
He gave His body, the Father’s property, as a RANSOM IN EXCHANGE FOR THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE. Got Gene?
Jesus, for the pleasure of the Father, since the Father could never die, GAVE HIS BODY AS A RANSOM TO BE DESTROYED!
Now If Jesus gave His body as a ransom,
YOU ASK YOURSELF! IN WHAT BODY JESUS RESURRECTED IN, SINCE HIS BODY WAS GIVEN AS A RANSOM?
Can anybody pay for something, and he gets BOTH His money back and at the same time he also get WHAT HE PURCHASED!
DEFINITELY NOT!
ME:
Romans 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. 12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so BY THE righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so BY THE OBEDIENCE of one shall many be made righteous.
Carmel, we have a HUMAN (anthropos) who by his righteousness, his obedience we have justification of life.
HOW IS this HUMAN ABLE to be righteous? YOU ARE DIRECTLY TOLD Carmel, but the words of the LORD are just pure vanity to you, apparently you love your own reasoning.
Isaiah 45:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him,Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Luke 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Acts 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) 37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, AFTER the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
RECALL Isaiah 42 and APPLY IT! The LORD’S WORD was a promise to rest His Spirit on the son of Jesse, a calling to righteousness, a receiving of the LORD’S GLORY that the LORD would not give to any other. This Spirit upon him was of full measure, Wisdom and Understanding, Council and Might, Knowledge and Fear of the LORD. Jesus of Nazareth was begotten of the LORD’S Spirit being made full of grace and truth, the WORD of the LORD according to the prophet Isaiah MADE TRUE IN Jesus of Nazareth.
RECALL Acts 10 and APPLY IT! The LORD’S WORD was preached by Jesus BECAUSE the Spirit came to abode upon him without measure, and that WORD preached BEGAN in Galilee AFTER the baptism John preached and that WORD that we are to believe that is the Gospel, is how the LORD ANOINTED Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and POWER, where the LORD was with him, and the people were a witness to all the great things that this HUMAN did. He was crucified and God raised him up in glory, in power, incorruptible, and showed him openly.
Carmel, THAT WORD pre-existed, Jesus did not pre-exist.
THE WORD that began in Galilee AFTER the baptism John preached was spoken by Jesus and was fulfilled in Jesus.
Do you get it Carmel?
The WORD from the beginning declared by the LORD, was of a human who the LORD would rest His Spirit upon, called also AN ANOINTING where thus Jesus was CHRIO making him into THE CHRISTOS, where the LORD called him to righteousness directing all his ways for to be a LIGHT for all people.
This WORD of the LORD that was from the beginning the LORD shared it with Isaiah, it had been WITH the LORD before the world was, after Isaiah we then read Jesus declaring it as MADE TRUE in him, a flesh and blood HUMAN.
Before the world was the LORD’S WORD was that ONE man would bring forth justification unto life.
Jesus of Nazareth was a Son, for the LORD directed all His ways because the LORD’S Spirit was working in the HUMAN Jesus, this was a call to righteousness where this man would be obedient to the LORD even unto death, that act of obedience is said to be the LORD having PERFECTED Jesus, and by his obedience unto death we are captives set free.
When the Son of Man had the Spirit descend upon him, an anointing and he was SENT out into the world, Jesus went into that world being sent directly from heaven, he came from heaven, he came directly from the WILL of the LORD. Beginning in Galilee the bread from heaven appeared on the seen, people were a witness to the WORD of the LORD that was from the beginning, a man anointed given the full measure and power of the LORD’S Spirit.
Jodi……so clear, so plain, so simple to understand, yet they just can’t understand it, no matter how clear you or I make to them. They are so deluded in their minds, they are simply unable to grasp it.
In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit and said, ” I thank you, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hid these things from the wise and prudent, and has “revealed” them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
SIMPLY AMAZING.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi Anthony and All,
YOU: would you say that when he stayed behind in the temple, at the age of 13 teen, talking with scrips and priest that He wasn’t being led of the Spirit of God to do that? or did He do this on His owe? yes or no
ME: One can easily READ scripture and differentiate between Jesus BEFORE his baptism and after his baptism when the Spirit came down and abode upon him where it is said that he left the river Jordan being full of the Holy Spirit.
BEFORE his baptism, Luke 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him….52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.
AFTER his baptism,
John 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
At the river Jordan the prophecies of Isaiah 11, 42, 45, and 61 were made true in the flesh of Jesus. This Spirit resting upon Jesus of Nazareth was the LORD setting Jesus apart from all other mortal humans, it was an anointing, a calling of this man to righteousness where he would go out into the world with the LORD directing ALL his ways, where the LORD promised that this son of Jesse would not fail at fulfilling the WORD of the LORD that had been with the LORD even before the world was.
At the river Jordan the prophecies given unto to David concerning his son were made true in the flesh of Jesus, the LORD made David’s son into His own Son, begetting him with His Spirit, filling him with grace and truth, where he would be SENT out to speak the truth because as said he had received the Spirit not by measure.
Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Acts 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. 42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
John 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph. 46 And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see. 47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him,Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile! 48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him,Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee. 49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel. 50 Jesus answered and said unto him,Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these. 51 And he saith unto him,Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
1 Chronicles 17:11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. 12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever. 13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee: 14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore. 15 According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David.
There IS NO SON in the LORD’S house that then comes down and becomes a son of David. DIRECT TRUTH, A son of David, OF David’s sons is to BE a Son of the LORD, and the LORD IS TO SETTLE him into the LORD’S house.
Isaiah tells us that THIS SON of DAVID is going to come through a SIGN, the son of the house of David will be conceived by a virgin. The promised son of David who God said He would make that son into His own Son is said to come from David’s sons. Matthew DIRECTLY GIVES US THOSE SONS of which lead us to none other than JOSEPH. By a SIGN, which is a virgin becoming pregnant through the power of the LORD’S Spirit, the promised son of David comes, and he is linked to David’s genealogy through being of the genealogy of Joseph.
Matthew WROTE AFTER the Son of Man was resurrected receiving the promise of the mercies of David and the Holy Spirit. He wrote AFTER Jesus was raised from the dead in power, glory, incorruptible. He wrote AFTER the Son of Man ascended to sit at the LORD’S right hand. Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Mathew gives us the account of him, his resurrected Christ. He speaks according to WHO Jesus is now, a man of David’s seed through Joseph, resurrected from the dead given eternal life, who God had MADE both Lord and Christ. The GENESIS of the one who was MADE both Lord and Christ, comes from the genealogy of Abraham, of David, OF JOSEPH.
Matthew 1:1 The book of the generation (GENESIS) of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. 2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;…16 And Jacob begat Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. 17 So all the generations (genealogy) from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations. ..(GNTA)20 While he was thinking about this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph, descendant of David, do not be afraid to take Mary to be your wife. For it is by the Holy Spirit that she has conceived.
This child is born, he grows in wisdom and stature and in favor of both God and man, for God’s grace is upon him. When he is around 30 years old he is baptized and the Spirit descends and comes to abode upon him, said to be an ANOINTING CHRIO made into THE CHRISTOS, he is born of the Spirit not by measure where the LORD SENDS him out into the world directing ALL his ways, holding his hand and keeping him for to be a LIGHT. A LIGHT, a SAVIOR of the tribe of Judah a son of Jesse, whose coming forth had been PROMISED by the LORD BEFORE THE WORLD WAS. The promise of the LORD that He would raise him up from among his brethren to fulfill all His will.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. 5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. 9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
In the beginning, THE SPIRIT OF the ONE TRUE GOD moved upon the waters, and by His Spirit through the power of His WORD there was LIGHT. WHEN the LORD our God said “let there be LIGHT”, IN HIS WORD there was another LIGHT that was WITH Him at that time, the LIGHT OF Isaiah 42. ALL things were made by the LORD through that LIGHT that would come. In the beginning and also at the time of Isaiah that LIGHT and it’s glory had not yet been done, it was made true in the flesh of Jesus when the Spirit came to rest upon him at the river Jordan.
Jodi,
YOU: Carmel you have destroyed what the verse is saying. How you treat scripture is truly unbelievable, you are filled with falsehood.
39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
…..that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
What did God give Jesus?
THE ONE WHO WAS BORN, and
IMMEDIATELY
IN ONE INSTANT ON THE CROSS,
DIED AND GLORIFIED
ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE HOLY GHOST John13:31-32, John17:1, AND BECAME
JESUS CHRIST
GODMAN, SPIRIT and FLESH, SON OF GOD/SON OF MAN,
WHILE HIS BODY, WAS
DEAD IN THE TOMB. I repeat for the sake of clarity:
Jesus in one instant was both dead, and
IN FULL GLORY IN HELL PREACHING THE GOSPEL!
ONE BODY GLORIFIED
ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE HOLY GHOST, John13:31-32, John17:1, and
ONE BODY DEAD!
TWO BODIES!
ARE THESE BODIES IN THAT MOMENT IN TIME OF HIS DEATH
THE SAME?
DEFINITELY NOT!
IF ONE IS DEAD, A TRUNK, and
ONE IN FULL GLORY AND MANIFESTED HIMSELF IN HELL AS
THE SON OF GOD/ SON OF MAN IN FLESH, AND PREACHED THE GOSPEL. Asserted by Jesus in
John 5:25 Amen, amen, I say unto you, that the hour cometh, and
NOW IS,
when
THE DEAD (SPIRITUALLY DEAD both on earth and
in hell, )
shall hear the voice of
THE SON OF GOD: (WHILE HE PREACHED HIS GOSPEL)
and they that hear (AND BELIEVE,) shall live. ( ETERNAL LIFE)
26 For as the Father hath life in himself, so he hath given to
THE SON (OF GOD) also to have
LIFE IN HIMSELF. (ETERNAL LIFE HIMSELF) Well CLEAR IN
John17:3 Now this is ETERNAL LIFE: That they may know thee,
( AS SOON AS THEY HEARD JESUS’ GOSPEL IN HELL, AND BELIEVED IN JESUS AS)
the only true (PHYSICAL) God, and Jesus Christ, (IN FLESH)
whom thou hast (PURPOSELY) sent.
NOW TO
5:27 And he hath given him power to do judgment, because he is
(ALSO) THE SON OF MAN.(UNIQUE GLORIFIED FLESH)
OK Jodi:
JESUS FROM HIS BIRTH HAD
TWO FULL NATURES SON OF GOD and SON OF MAN!
DIVINE IN THE HOLY GHOST the fact that HE IS
OF THE HOLY GHOST. ATTRIBUTED TO THE SON, and
SON OF MAN in “THE WORD” MADE FLESH!
On his death
JESUS GLORIFIED AND INTEGRATED INTO ONE SUBSTANCE
THE TWO NATURES IN
JESUS CHRIST
THE POWER and WISDOM OF GOD
Now let’s read what God gave Jesus
THE ONE WHO GLORIFIED IN JESUS’FLESH ON THE CROSS
THE HOLY GHOST
THE SON OF GOD while the SON OF MAN, JESUS’FLESH WAS DEAD!
KEEP IN MIND UP TO THAT MOMENT IN TIME:
TWO DIFFERENT BODIES.
John17:2 As thou hast given him power over
ALL FLESH,..…( BOTH HEAVENLY, ALL THE ANGELS AS HUMANS, through SETH, and EARTHLY ex satanic through sin, through CAIN. 1Corinthians 15:46-49 Genesis 2:4 )
The above Jodi is a clear message that Jesus, THE SON OF MAN, “THE WORD” MADE FLESH is
THE PROPRIETOR OF ALL THE PHYSICAL, since
HE DIED FOR IT and became THE FATHER OF IT, as much as God the Father is THE PROPRIETOR OF THE SPIRIT in this case IN
THE HOLY GHOST THE SON OF GOD!
NOW ON JESUS’ DEATH BOTH THE SON OF MAN “THE WORD” MADE FLESH and
THE SON OF GOD, THE HOLY GHOST, integrated John13:31-32 and became
ONE SUBSTANCE IN
JESUS CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD!
THE SON OF MAN, DIED
but HIS FLESH ATTRIBUTES BECAME SPIRITUALIZED THROUGH JESUS’ HOLY SPIRITUAL LIFE AND WERE INHERITED BY
THE HOLY GHOST attributed to the Son of God.
THE ONLY WAY for the Son of Man, DIVINE FLESH FURNISHED BY THE FATHER, to die as A RANSOM
IN EXCHANGE FOR THE HUMAN RACE, and
LOOSE NOTHING! “THE WORD” BACK TO THE FATHER: Isaiah 55:11
ONCE THEY INTEGRATED AND BECAME ONE SUBSTANCE, SPIRIT/FLESH.
ALL THE HEAVENLY SPIRITUAL REALMS IN THE SON OF GOD, and ALL THE EARTHLY CARNAL IN THE SON OF MAN,
BECAME ONE UNIQUE EMBODIMENT OF
JESUS CHRIST,
A UNIQUE MOST POWERFUL SOVEREIGN OVER ALL UNIVERSES:
Specifically asserted hereunder:
Colossians 1:16 For
in him were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers.
All things were created by him and in him. 17And he is before all: and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead,(SPIRITUALLY DEAD) that in all things he may hold the primacy: 19Because in him, it hath well pleased the Father that all fulness should dwell: 20And through him to reconcile all things unto HIMSELF, making peace ( BETWEEN THE SPIRIT AND THE FLESH) through the blood of his cross, both as to
the things that are on earth (PHYSICAL) and the things that are in heaven.(SPIRITS)
Now we come to the
DEAD BODY OF JESUS IN THE TOMB!
TO WHOM THIS DEAD BODY IS ALLOCATED?
SINCE GOD ALREADY ACQUIRED JESUS’FLESHY BODY
ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE HOLY GHOST ON THE CROSS?
JESUS CHRIST THROUGHOUT DIVINE?
GODMAN!
ATTENTION:
NOT YET THOUGH
GOD OF ALL FLESH
since Jesus was still
DEAD IN THE TOMB!
That in the next post!
UNLESS YOU HAVE A GO YOURSELF.
YOU: Carmel, what you speak is not only pure foolishness it is totally incoherent.
1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this world? Hath not God made
foolish the wisdom of this world?
21For, seeing that in the wisdom of God, the world, by wisdom, knew not God, it pleased God,
by the foolishness of our preaching, to save them that believe.
22For both the Jews require signs: and the Greeks seek after wisdom. 23But we preach Christ crucified: unto the Jews indeed a stumblingblock, and
unto (US) the Gentiles
foolishness:
YOU: Not only have you destroyed the context of what is being said, but what you are pushing it to mean is
illogical
Jodi, WE ARE DISCUSSING GOD!
In order to HAVE IT YOUR WAY, do you expect that
GOD IS NOT
ILLOGICAL?
Exodus 3:2 And the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush:
and he saw that the bush was on fire, and was not burnt.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Carmel,
Let’s try this again,
39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
God GAVE Jesus believers in him, and God promises that those who God has given to Jesus he will not lose those people, he will in fact raise them up AT THE LAST DAY and give them eternal life.
Carmel, what you declare that God gave Jesus upon his death, is not represented at all in the above passage, let’s get that straight.
Hi Jodi,
and I will raise him up at the last day.
YOU:
Hi Carmel,
Let’s try this again,
Carmel, what you declare that God gave Jesus upon his death,
is not represented at all in the above passage, let’s get that straight.
Jodi,
ANSWER
WHEN AND AT WHAT TIME WAS
JESUS’ LAST DAY
ON EARTH
AS
SON OF MAN ?
AND LIKEWISE ALL HUMANITY
YOUR CARNAL MENTALITY , COMPLETELY
BLOCKED, and KILLED
YOUR SPECK OF
SPIRITUALITY
IN
YOU! I’M AFRAID!!!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel,
You fail once again and moreover you are incoherent. There is something that needs to be established right now between you and I regarding scripture.
The authors of the bible didn’t give code that then those who believe they are of the Spirit of God could break that code and thus hold some secret truth, that then God wanted people such as yourself to come on forums and declare that secret truth. The scriptures give us clearly that which IS in fact the Gospel of God, which you in turn reduce that Gospel to supposedly be carnal words and declare that those who believe those words as they are written are merely carnally minded people.
Hi Jodi,
YOU: You fail once again and moreover you are incoherent. There is something that needs to be established right now between you and I regarding scripture.
The authors of the bible didn’t give code that then those who believe they are of the Spirit of God could break that code and thus hold some secret truth,
1Ephisians 1:17 May THE GOD of our Lord Jesus Christ,
the FATHER of glory,
give unto you the SPIRIT of wisdom and of revelation,
in the knowledge of
HIM.
YOU: that then God wanted people such as yourself to come on forums and declare that secret truth. The scriptures give us clearly that which IS in fact the Gospel of God, which
you in turn reduce that Gospel to supposedly be carnal words and
declare that those who believe those words as they are written
are merely carnally minded people.
1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this world? Hath not God made
foolish the wisdom of this world?
21For, seeing that in the wisdom of God, the world, by wisdom, knew not God, it pleased God,
by the foolishness of our preaching, to save them that believe.
22For both the Jews require signs: and the Greeks seek after wisdom. 23But we preach Christ crucified: unto the Jews indeed a stumblingblock, and
unto (US) the Gentiles
foolishness:
Exodus 3:2 And the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush:
and he saw that the bush was on fire, and was not burnt.
THE BUSH?
THE FIRE?
NOT BURNT?
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said:
I confess to thee, O Father, Lord of Heaven and earth,
because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, (CARNALLY MINDED PEOPLE)
and hast revealed them to
little ones.
26Yea, Father: for so hath it seemed good in thy sight. 27All things are delivered to me by my Father.
And no one knoweth the Son but the Father:
neither doth anyone know the Father, but the Son,
and he to whom it shall please
the Son
to reveal him.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ!
Hi Carmel,
12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
1 Thes 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: 5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: 6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ: 7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. 8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. 9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;
The Gospel was of a promise spoken prior by the prophets!
The Gospel is not secrets that the prophets, or Jesus nor the apostles spoke in code, they spoke so the truth of God’s determined purpose could be made known.
Acts 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) 37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. 42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
CARMEL, I look to what the prophets wrote, as we are directly told they spoke the Gospel to which we are to believe, 1 Chronicles 17, Psalm 2, 8, 89, Isaiah 7, 11, 22, 42, 45, 53, 61 is a good place to start. Paul and other apostles were called by God to preach His Gospel concerning His Son, we are to believe in what they wrote, as it is written,
“when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.”
Hi Jodi,
YOU: ……..we are to believe in what they wrote, as it is written,
1Ephisians 1:17 May THE GOD of our Lord Jesus Christ,
the FATHER of glory,
give unto you
THE SPIRIT of wisdom and of revelation,
in the
knowledge of
HIM.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Carmel,
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For he RECEIVED FROM God the Father honour and glory, WHEN there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. 19 We have also a more SURE WORD of prophecy; where unto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
The SURE WORD of prophecy, Isaiah 11, 42, 45, 61, it is given to BELIEVE. THE POWER and the COMING of our LORD Jesus Christ according to an eyewitness occurred UPON Jesus RECEIVING FROM GOD honor and glory at the river Jordan. WHEN Jesus came up from the water, the Spirit descended and a voice came to Jesus from the Excellent Glory, saying that THIS is MY BELOVED SON. SURE WORD of PROPHECY is that of Isaiah 42, where GOD elects a son of Jesse, and calls him to righteousness for to be a LIGHT, TO be SENT to deliver captives from darkness, GLORY that is GOD’S that He says that He will not GIVE to any other.
Jesus of Nazareth RECEIVED Carmel, at the river Jordan glory and honor, the very glory that Isaiah wrote in chapter 42. YOU PREACH that which are FABLES of your own mind, ignoring the direct truth of those that were actually of the Holy Spirit receiving the TRUTH for the purpose to share it and bring people into the faith.
You just ignored all the scriptures I gave you Carmel, and you reply back to repeat ONE VERSE, how about we look at the entire CHAPTER!
Ephesians 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus: 2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
NOW Carmel below you are being TOLD the mystery by the man of the Holy Spirit chosen by the LORD to give us that which IS the WILL of the LORD,
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye HEARD the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints, 16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers; 17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: 18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that YE MAY KNOW what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, 19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
CARMEL let’s get this straight,
God chose men to preach the Gospel, that which they speak is the TRUTH of God’s will, and they speak through the Holy Spirit that is upon them. They give us the direct TRUTH of the will of God and of the knowledge of WHO His Son is.
Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
God also chose people, giving them the Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation, so that they would believe in the WORD spoken by the prophets, spoken by Jesus, spoken by the apostles.
Get it straight Carmel, people are not called by God given the Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation so that they can find hidden truth supposedly veiled here and there throughout the bible.
People RECEIVE from GOD WISDOM and REVELATION, they receive wisdom to know the WORD that is written is in fact God’s TRUE WORD. God REVEALS to them that the WORD written is in fact HIS TRUTH.
2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are UNLEARNED and UNSTABLE wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.1 Thes 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
Carmel the above passages is DIRECTLY AGAINST that which you say.
THEY HEARD the actually WORD of GOD from men of the Holy Spirit. The word of God that these men spoke worketh in those that believe and they are able to BELIEVE BECAUSE God has given them the wisdom to know that it is the TRUTH, God has given them the revelation to know it is the TRUE WORD from Him.
Those who are unlearned and unstable in the scriptures, they are those who are ignorant of written passages, they are those who don’t believe in that which is written, and it brings forth to themselves destruction.
If you are unlearned of the SURE WORDS of prophets you will bring forth great destruction to the words of Jesus and to the words of the apostles.
Paul’s words in places are difficult to understand by those who do not apply scripture with scripture. If you don’t know of the very passages that directly apply you will not have true understanding.
Carmel we READ the WISDOM that God gave to Paul, God calls you to believe Paul’s words are true and wise.
Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
1 Timothy 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
Carmel Paul and the apostles spoke to us the TRUTH, they preached to us the gospel, they did not preach a code.
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, HEAR THESE WORDS; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. 25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance. 29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
DID YOU HEAR THESE WORDS Carmel? Is the Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation in you causing you to BELIEVE THESE WORD ARE TRUE?
YOU ARE GIVEN a COMMAND TO HEAR THEM AND TO BELIEVE THEY ARE TRUE.
Hi Jodi,
YOU: God also chose people, giving them the Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation,
so that they would believe in the WORD spoken by the prophets, spoken by Jesus, spoken by the apostles.
ME: LIES, LIES, and LIES!
YOU AND ME BOTH
BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST!
BOTH ARE CHRISTIANS!
BUT WE ARE NOT IN HARMONY!
NOW HOW ACCORDING TO YOU WE BOTH ARE CHOSEN BY GOD AND GIVEN
THE SPIRIT OF WISDOM AND OF REVELATIONS AND IN THE SAME TIME
WE ARE NOT IN HARMONY?
Get it straight Carmel, people are not called by God given the Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation so that they can find hidden truth supposedly veiled here and there throughout the bible.
LIES LIES and LIES
READ HEREUNDER:
1Corinthians 12:1 Now concerning spiritual things,
my brethren, I would not have you ignorant. 2You know that when you were heathens, you went to dumb idols, according as you were led. 3Wherefore, I give you to understand that no man,
speaking by the Spirit of God,
saith Anathema to Jesus.
And no man can say
The Lord Jesus,
but by the Holy Ghost.
4Now there are diversities of graces,
but the same Spirit.
5And there are diversities of ministries.
but the same Lord.
6And there are diversities of operations,
but the same God,
who worketh all in all.
7And the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man
unto profit.
8To one indeed, by the Spirit, is given
the word of wisdom:
and to another,
the word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit:
9To another,
faith in the same spirit:
to another,
the grace of healing in one Spirit:
10To another
the working of miracles:
to another,
prophecy:
to another,
the discerning of spirits:
to another,
diverse kinds of tongues:
to another,
interpretation of speeches.
11But all these things, one and the same Spirit worketh,
dividing to every one according as he will.
12For as the body is one and hath many members; and all the members of the body, whereas they are many, yet are one body: So also is Christ. 13For in one Spirit were we all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Gentiles, whether bond or free: and in one Spirit we have all been made to drink.
14For the body also is not one member, but many. 15If the foot should say: Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body: Is it therefore not of the Body? 16And if the ear should say: Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body: Is it therefore not of the body? 17If the whole body were the eye, where would be the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where would be the smelling? 18But now God hath set the members, every one of them, in the body as it hath pleased him. 19And if they all were one member, where would be the body? 20But now there are many members indeed, yet one body. 21And the eye cannot say to the hand: I need not thy help. Nor again the head to the feet: I have no need of you. 22Yea, much, more those that seem to be the more feeble members of the body are more necessary 23And such as we think to be the less honourable members of the body, about these we put more abundant honour: and those that are our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. 24But our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, giving to that which wanted the more abundant honour. 25That there might be no schism in the body: but the members might be mutually careful one for another. 26And if one member suffer any thing, all the members suffer with it: or if one member glory, all the members rejoice with it.
27Now you are the body of Christ and members of member.
28And God indeed hath set some in the church;
first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly doctors: after that miracles: then the graces of healings, helps, governments, kinds of tongues, interpretations of speeches.
29Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all doctors? 30Are all workers of miracles? Have all the grace of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?
31But be zealous for the better gifts.
And I shew unto you yet a more excellent WAY.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Carmel,
ME: God also chose people, giving them the Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation,
so that they would believe in the WORD spoken by the prophets, spoken by Jesus, spoken by the apostles.
YOU: LIES, LIES, and LIES!
ME: That which you gave does not in anyway show I spoke lies.
1 Corinthians 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps,governments, diversities of tongues.
Carmel, this is just quite bizarre, you have no reasoning.
A teacher OF God’s TRUTH speaks God’s truth, NOT CODE but the TRUTH, so that we may learn God’s truth. A prophet tells you the future of that which will occur, he tells you THE TRUTH.
So hear we are again, DO YOU BELIEVE the PROPHET DAVID? You would be WISE to as the prophet gives you the WILL of the One True God.
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, HEAR THESE WORDS; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. 25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance. 29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
DID YOU HEAR THESE WORDS Carmel? Is the Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation in you causing you to BELIEVE THESE WORD ARE TRUE?
YOU ARE GIVEN a COMMAND TO HEAR THEM AND TO BELIEVE THEY ARE TRUE.
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