Should a muslim be able to post in believers area?

[Ed J]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 09 2009,21:59)

Hey Bod: All I can say is persecution for righteousness sake is what happened to Jesus. The forces of darkness, lies, and deception came against him pointing the finger and accusing him of many things. They hated Jesus (dark, uninlightened energies) because of his light/truth. He said if they hated him they will hate you if you are in the light. I don't know all your doctrines but when I see people accuse you by putting words in your mouth about what they believe you believe I know they are incorrect. Why we cannot seem to express our opinions of the truth of God on this site, without accusing and hating and telling our brothers they are not of God I do not know. Your way is of truth through much knowledge stated in a peaceful manner as a matter of the way you perceive it. I find no fault. I wish you and I could banter our beliefs a bit I feel I could learn something. Do you believe that Jesus came to enlighten the people to the true way to God? Do you believe that there was a covenant change? Do you see that covenant change from physical church building (temple) worship with multitudes of ritual and many doctrines to the new Spirit way through Jesus' words (from God/Spirit)? Now, in the New Covenant Jesus introduced the Kingdom of God (within each person) and all things pertaining to God converted to spirit/beliefs/words/truth within, IE: being born again through recreating the mind with the words of God through Jesus. What do you say? If you could answer any or all of these questions or just state the way you see and perceive them, I would greatly appreciate it. Peace and Blessing to you, TK

Hi TK,

Can a person be accused of a bad choice?

[karmarie]

Has BD been moved to the skeptics section and banned from the believers?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 09 2009,20:12)

Do you REALLY think God cares much about : what clothes you wear, or what food you eat? Or weather you believe in a trinity or not? God is God, God is love, Do you REALLY think God chooses between Jew, Christian or Muslim, Catholic, Baptist or Anglican? (or Heaven net!) God is continually searching out the heart of each and every individual! And continually sending his son out into the world, This is the simple truth, the heart of every individual, the ability to feel compassion and love, Gods creation, from the smallest Ant, to the youngest child, God is anywhere, everywhere! Gods ways are NOT our ways, TK speaks alot of truth, God bless

K

I take it you do not believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus and the shedding of his blood for our salvation either do you?

Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life, no man comes to the Father but by me!"

There is no other way to salvation friend.

Sorry!

WJ

[karmarie]

What? How do you know what I believe?

So, that didnt answer my question

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 10 2009,00:06)

What? How do you know what I believe? So, that didnt answer my question

K

I don't know what you believe, so why get all defensive?

Do you see the Big question mark above?

What question are you speaking of that I didn't answer?

WJ

[Ed J]

Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 10 2009,15:59)

Has BD been moved to the skeptics section and banned from the believers?

Hi karmarie,

Than this thread SHOULD be moved as well.
BD should have the right to participate on this thread, because it is about him!
Everybody should have the right of defense, including BD.

[Ed J]

Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 10 2009,15:59)

Has BD been moved to the skeptics section and banned from the believers?

Hi Karmarie,

I believe that "Believers Politics" should be open to "All";
BD, even atheists, because all is politics!

That type of censorship is TOTALLY UNNECESSARY!

[karmarie]

Well WJ, im not about 2 post my life story here for you to critisize, but i will tell you what i need to,

Do i believe in Jesus?
Since i was a child i have known Jesus, who did i turn to whenever i was scared? Jesus. Who did i pray to when i lay in bed at night? Jesus. Then as i was older, Jesus led me to his Father. God, who called me and taught me day by day. God opened my eyes, I became overwhelmed with compassion for the world, i gave nearly everything i had away, i cried, all i thought about every minute of the day was God- and Jesus,  God took me on a journey, i saw things i never knew before.

Miracles, i couldnt count the number, but could i never not believe from what i saw? no way, my faith is solid as a rock, and if i told you some things, nah. Too amazing. I keep them to myself. Is God real? Is Jesus real? You bet

I was shown Islam as part of my journey with God. And now, I know what I am going to do.  It couldnt be clearer (and NO im not going to become a muslim) I will lay down my life if needed to take the message to the Muslims of the gospel with love

so-bye , carry on

[karmarie]

Hi EdJ,

Matthew 23 v13 comes to mind, I agree qoutes should only be from the bible, that is fair enough, but sending someone out, who believes in God is just wrong!

[Ed J]

Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 10 2009,18:56)

Hi EdJ, Matthew 23 v13 comes to mind, I agree qoutes should only be from the bible, that is fair enough, but sending someone out, who believes in God is just wrong!

Hi karmarie,

I'm glad your eyes are open.
BD's were "starting" to open as well.
I hope they will let him back.

Gob bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Admin]

Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 10 2009,18:56)

Hi EdJ, Matthew 23 v13 comes to mind, I agree qoutes should only be from the bible, that is fair enough, but sending someone out, who believes in God is just wrong!

He hasn't been sent out. He is still posting, but in the appropriate place. Believers Place is not for the Quran, the Book of Mormon, Vedic Literatures, or other so-called scriptures. If people come touting other books, then they shouldn't do it in "Believers Place". This category is not for other purposes. Simple as that.

[Ed J]

Quote (heaven @ Dec. 10 2009,20:08)

Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 10 2009,18:56) Hi EdJ, Matthew 23 v13 comes to mind, I agree qoutes should only be from the bible, that is fair enough, but sending someone out, who believes in God is just wrong! He hasn't been sent out. He is still posting, but in the appropriate place. Believers Place is not for the Quran, the Book of Mormon, Vedic Literatures, or other so-called scriptures. If people come touting other books, then they shouldn't do it in "Believers Place". This category is not for other purposes. Simple as that.

Hi T,

I agree BD can be and is a distraction on practically all the believers threads.

But what about allowing him in "believers politics"?
He can be a great asset there.

God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 10 2009,20:17)

Quote (heaven @ Dec. 10 2009,20:08) Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 10 2009,18:56) Hi EdJ, Matthew 23 v13 comes to mind, I agree qoutes should only be from the bible, that is fair enough, but sending someone out, who believes in God is just wrong! He hasn't been sent out. He is still posting, but in the appropriate place. Believers Place is not for the Quran, the Book of Mormon, Vedic Literatures, or other so-called scriptures. If people come touting other books, then they shouldn't do it in "Believers Place". This category is not for other purposes. Simple as that. Hi T, I agree BD can be and is a distraction on practically all the believers threads. But what about allowing him in "believers politics"? He can be a great asset there. God bless Ed J

I can sympathize with him because I know he is sincere in what he believes; which at first I wasn't sure about.

I also have faced censorship issues as well with presenting Gematria to mainstream Christianity;
which in turn has caused other Forums to lose the scriptural knowledge I have gained from 40 years of study.
You also know I made a "No Vote" regarding BD; this is why.

I must also admit that your forum was the "only forum" free of bigotry
towards me because of it. So I know you have great patients with people.

God Bless T,
Ed J
http:/www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Tim Kraft]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 10 2009,14:44)

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 09 2009,21:59) Hey Bod: All I can say is persecution for righteousness sake is what happened to Jesus. The forces of darkness, lies, and deception came against him pointing the finger and accusing him of many things. They hated Jesus (dark, uninlightened energies) because of his light/truth. He said if they hated him they will hate you if you are in the light. I don't know all your doctrines but when I see people accuse you by putting words in your mouth about what they believe you believe I know they are incorrect. Why we cannot seem to express our opinions of the truth of God on this site, without accusing and hating and telling our brothers they are not of God I do not know. Your way is of truth through much knowledge stated in a peaceful manner as a matter of the way you perceive it. I find no fault. I wish you and I could banter our beliefs a bit I feel I could learn something. Do you believe that Jesus came to enlighten the people to the true way to God? Do you believe that there was a covenant change? Do you see that covenant change from physical church building (temple) worship with multitudes of ritual and many doctrines to the new Spirit way through Jesus' words (from God/Spirit)? Now, in the New Covenant Jesus introduced the Kingdom of God (within each person) and all things pertaining to God converted to spirit/beliefs/words/truth within, IE: being born again through recreating the mind with the words of God through Jesus. What do you say? If you could answer any or all of these questions or just state the way you see and perceive them, I would greatly appreciate it. Peace and Blessing to you, TK Hi TK, Can a person be accused of a bad choice?

Hey Ed: The way I see Gods truth is we should only judge with righteous judgement. BD is the righteousness of God the same as you are through the gift of truth from Jesus the Christ.

One who accuses a brother is not of the light of Christ. To his own master he stands or falls. One is free to state his own way but not anothers.

I was trying to point out that in most accusations made on this site they are many times telling the other person what they believe or that they believe falsely.There is no way that anyone could know what another person really believes. This should not be!

God does not accuse us of bad choices. They are choices to make by free will individuals. They carry consequences but that is part of the choice. Bless you, TK

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 10 2009,05:53)

BD is the righteousness of God the same as you are through the gift of truth from Jesus the Christ.

TK

Tell us how that works seeing that BD does not believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus nor that his blood is what cleanses us from sin?  

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 10 2009,02:50)

Well WJ, im not about 2 post my life story here for you to critisize, but i will tell you what i need to, Do i believe in Jesus? Since i was a child i have known Jesus, who did i turn to whenever i was scared? Jesus. Who did i pray to when i lay in bed at night? Jesus. Then as i was older, Jesus led me to his Father. God, who called me and taught me day by day. God opened my eyes, I became overwhelmed with compassion for the world, i gave nearly everything i had away, i cried, all i thought about every minute of the day was God- and Jesus,  God took me on a journey, i saw things i never knew before. Miracles, i couldnt count the number, but could i never not believe from what i saw? no way, my faith is solid as a rock, and if i told you some things, nah. Too amazing. I keep them to myself. Is God real? Is Jesus real? You bet I was shown Islam as part of my journey with God. And now, I know what I am going to do.  It couldnt be clearer (and NO im not going to become a muslim) I will lay down my life if needed to take the message to the Muslims of the gospel with love so-bye , carry on

K

Sorry, you cannot mix "Islam" with Christianity.

Jesus is the "Way, truth and the life and no man comes to the Father but by him".

Islam does not teach this!

The reason that God does "Miracles" is not so that the person who recieves them can hide them under a vase but to bring light and glorify his name.

Do you think miracles is only for the one who recieves them?

Wouldn't Love share what God has done?  Suspicious!

WJ

[Ed J]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 10 2009,21:53)

One is free to state his own way but not anothers. Bless you, TK

Hi TK,

You do realize that this makes no sense?

[karmarie]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 11 2009,02:38)

Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 10 2009,02:50) Well WJ, im not about 2 post my life story here for you to critisize, but i will tell you what i need to, Do i believe in Jesus? Since i was a child i have known Jesus, who did i turn to whenever i was scared? Jesus. Who did i pray to when i lay in bed at night? Jesus. Then as i was older, Jesus led me to his Father. God, who called me and taught me day by day. God opened my eyes, I became overwhelmed with compassion for the world, i gave nearly everything i had away, i cried, all i thought about every minute of the day was God- and Jesus,  God took me on a journey, i saw things i never knew before. Miracles, i couldnt count the number, but could i never not believe from what i saw? no way, my faith is solid as a rock, and if i told you some things, nah. Too amazing. I keep them to myself. Is God real? Is Jesus real? You bet I was shown Islam as part of my journey with God. And now, I know what I am going to do.  It couldnt be clearer (and NO im not going to become a muslim) I will lay down my life if needed to take the message to the Muslims of the gospel with love so-bye , carry on K Sorry, you cannot mix "Islam" with Christianity. Jesus is the "Way, truth and the life and no man comes to the Father but by him". Islam does not teach this! The reason that God does "Miracles" is not so that the person who recieves them can hide them under a vase but to bring light and glorify his name. Do you think miracles is only for the one who recieves them? Wouldn't Love share what God has done?  Suspicious! WJ

WJ

A verse comes to mind here with you but I wont say it

Hmmmm

And it also has to do with why I wouldnt share with you,

Certain people I do and will but it doesnt need to be trampled!

So why bother

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 10 2009,15:50)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 11 2009,02:38) Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 10 2009,02:50) Well WJ, im not about 2 post my life story here for you to critisize, but i will tell you what i need to, Do i believe in Jesus? Since i was a child i have known Jesus, who did i turn to whenever i was scared? Jesus. Who did i pray to when i lay in bed at night? Jesus. Then as i was older, Jesus led me to his Father. God, who called me and taught me day by day. God opened my eyes, I became overwhelmed with compassion for the world, i gave nearly everything i had away, i cried, all i thought about every minute of the day was God- and Jesus,  God took me on a journey, i saw things i never knew before. Miracles, i couldnt count the number, but could i never not believe from what i saw? no way, my faith is solid as a rock, and if i told you some things, nah. Too amazing. I keep them to myself. Is God real? Is Jesus real? You bet I was shown Islam as part of my journey with God. And now, I know what I am going to do.  It couldnt be clearer (and NO im not going to become a muslim) I will lay down my life if needed to take the message to the Muslims of the gospel with love so-bye , carry on K Sorry, you cannot mix "Islam" with Christianity. Jesus is the "Way, truth and the life and no man comes to the Father but by him". Islam does not teach this! The reason that God does "Miracles" is not so that the person who recieves them can hide them under a vase but to bring light and glorify his name. Do you think miracles is only for the one who recieves them? Wouldn't Love share what God has done?  Suspicious! WJ WJ A verse comes to mind here with you but I wont say it Hmmmm And it also has to do with why I wouldnt share with you, Certain people I do and will but it doesnt need to be trampled! So why bother

K

You judge me when you have no evidence that I have ever trampled on Gods truth.

If you do then bring it forth and at least give me opportunity to repent, defend myself or give reason for my stand.

Is this the scripture that you are thinking of…

"do not cast your pearls to the swine"

If so, how is it that you accuse me for telling the truth about BDs belief?

I have never once inferred that he was swine and have always tried to give him the truth like the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus which he has trampled under his feet.

HMMM! is right!

WJ

[karmarie]

WJ you love to twist words!

You use words like "I take it you dont believe" or "suspicious" to attack me, then you say you didnt? there is only one judge and knower of all so unless im taking you wrong, save it for the judge who knows whats really going on, cause you dont!

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