Should a muslim be able to post in believers area?

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  • #156203
     t8 
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    Have your say.

    #156205
     Constitutionalist 
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    Sure, I see no problem with it. Especially since Muslims in here have been very well behaved, in fact better than some I can think of (like me :)).

    To ban a Muslim, then next it would be a Jw, then a Mormon, then a Catholic, etc. . .

    Plus I have learned alot about the Muslim faith since they have posted in here. I don't mind learning about anothers faith.

    :cool:

    #156206
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    Or would it be better to have another category for other faiths including the Muslim faith?

    This category is called Believers Place and is for believers, i.e., those who believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God and the messiah.

    I agree that a muslim can raise good and challenging questions and the behaviour of the member has been good in the sense that he hasn't broken any board rules (that I am aware of, or can remember).

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    Quote (t8 @ Nov. 12 2009,01:56)
    Or would it be better to have another category for other faiths including the Muslim faith?

    This category is called Believers Place and is for believers, i.e., those who believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God and the messiah.

    I agree that a muslim can raise good and challenging questions and the behaviour of the member has been good in the sense that he hasn't broken any board rules (that I am aware of, or can remember).


    I am glad it is not my descision. But I will agree with what ever the forum decides. I just hope the results don't drive friends away. Even if they are sheep from other folds. Just my opinion.

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    I see no reason why not to let a Muslim post on these forums.  

    I am not familiar enough with the Koran to know how it differs from the usual cannon of the Western Christian religions.  It would be approximately equivalent to quoting from the book of Enoch.

    It would be more appropriate to quote from in forums about traditions and creeds or other writings than those speaking of doctrine straight out of the "regular" cannon.  It is plausible that it may have an interpretation of something written in the "regular" cannon. and thus have a bearing on the discussion there.

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    While I agree that they have been polite and I have no problem with them posting in general, believers place was added for a reason, and I thought it was a good one.

    My opinion – Wm

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    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 12 2009,16:51)
    I see no reason why not to let a Muslim post on these forums.  

    I am not familiar enough with the Koran to know how it differs from the usual cannon of the Western Christian religions.  It would be approximately equivalent to quoting from the book of Enoch.

    It would be more appropriate to quote from in forums about traditions and creeds or other writings than those speaking of doctrine straight out of the "regular" cannon.  It is plausible that it may have an interpretation of something written in the "regular" cannon. and thus have a bearing on the discussion there.


    It differs in that it states allah has no son, which of course pits it against everything that makes a "believer", a believer. There is the whole rest of the forum to post in, otherwise why have a believers section at all, I mean Stu "believes" in his own way. In my opinion a believer (on a christian forum) should be defined as someone who believes in the scriptures as the word of God, and in His Son, you may differ a great deal in how you interpret the scriptures but as long as you see scripture as the final authority that qualifies someone to post in the believers section.

    I know this is not politically correct, but it is my opinion – Wm

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    They are allowed in the WH, so why not here.

    Georg

    #156260
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    I too believe that they have been nice, and I have had no problems with them. So I voted that they stay. But of course that raises the question, since they don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God? Since Kejonn has been banned from the believers section, it would not been fair to Him if then a Muslim, who also does not believe the same, is aloud to stay.
    Peace and Love Irene

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     WorshippingJesus 
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    Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 12 2009,06:22)

    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 12 2009,16:51)
    I see no reason why not to let a Muslim post on these forums.  

    I am not familiar enough with the Koran to know how it differs from the usual cannon of the Western Christian religions.  It would be approximately equivalent to quoting from the book of Enoch.

    It would be more appropriate to quote from in forums about traditions and creeds or other writings than those speaking of doctrine straight out of the "regular" cannon.  It is plausible that it may have an interpretation of something written in the "regular" cannon. and thus have a bearing on the discussion there.


    It differs in that it states allah has no son, which of course pits it against everything that makes a "believer", a believer. There is the whole rest of the forum to post in, otherwise why have a believers section at all, I mean Stu "believes" in his own way. In my opinion a believer (on a christian forum) should be defined as someone who believes in the scriptures as the word of God, and in His Son, you may differ a great deal in how you interpret the scriptures but as long as you see scripture as the final authority that qualifies someone to post in the believers section.

    I know this is not politically correct, but it is my opinion – Wm


    Seeking

    I agree! It is defined by the scriptures and by this sight that the Gospel is that a believer holds to the "death, burial, and resurection" of Jesus as the foundation of the faith!

    The Muslim faith does not believe that Jesus died on the cross and rose again!

    WJ

    #156297
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    From what I see most objections are already covered by the posting limits placed on the individual forums.  

    How many people would object to a Muslim being invited to their church?

    #156310
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    A better question might be "how many would object to a muslim debating and teaching about scripture/the bible".
    For everything else in life, it doesn't matter who. We are in the world, but not of it.

    Kind of like saying, should a boy be allowed to join the Girl Guides or a Christian teaching as an authority on the koran.

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    Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 13 2009,10:12)
    From what I see most objections are already covered by the posting limits placed on the individual forums.  

    How many people would object to a Muslim being invited to their church?


    Hi:

    Of course, we would want to invite anyone to our church to hear the gospel, but we would not want to invite a Muslim to our church to preach the Koran.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #156315
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    Well put 942767.

    #156316
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    Get the rope boys, seems we are about to have a lynchin.

    JMHO

    ???

    #156324
     t8 
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    Not at all.

    This category is for Believers only. Before this, many members ended up debating the existence of God with non-believers and it slowed down discussion on doctrines and scriptural stuff quite a bit. It was decided that having an area for believers only, was to progress discussion on topics that believers believe in. It worked.

    Now to be consistent, we are debating whether a muslim should be here. Yes they believe in God, but not Jesus as the Christ. A believer is surely a person that believes that Jesus is the Christ and the son of God.

    We could always have another category for members of other faiths to put in their views about scripture and such. We did that for atheists and others who were steering topics away. It is not a matter of closing ones eyes.

    The reasons are purely practical and also, if a member happens to be a new believer and is given advice from a Muslim, he might mistaken that as another believer teaching him.

    Just making things clear is the intention.

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    Hi:

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    2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

    2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed:

    2Jo 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #156338
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    The most interesting thing is what will you do about the fact that I was raised a Christian, I do not speak Arabic, I have studied the Holy Bible for over 30 years and The Holy Bible and The Holy Spirit lead me to study the Quran?

    Also, How is a "believer" exclusively a Christian when in fact that would mean you are saying that Jews are atheists then. Jews were believers well before the name Christian was ever given not to mention the fact that Jesus himself believed as a Jew Does that there is One God and Jesus agrees that he is not that One God.

    I believe in God so it would be your judgement who to say is a believer or not? Is this about Christ or the One he Serves or why have you made the servant greater than his Master?

    Everyone who says Jesus is The Christ is Born of God, yet there is dispute?

    We all know that words like "son", "Father" … etc are Human terms given to us to relate. We Know that Ultimately GOD is Creator and we are all His servants otherwise Jesus himself would not have called himself a servant. What Natural son is called servant? None at all.

    But Jesus is a servant and God loves him like a son hence he says I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM what natural Father says about his son I WILL BE or ON THIS DAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN THEE if this was always the case or if it was literal then how could it be? Does the Sovereign have intimate relations with a woman? Of course Not, God forbid! He does not procreate He creates and yet the Quran only clarifies what has always been true to all previous believers like David whom God said about Solomon "I will be his Father and he will be my son" The word son in Hebrew can simply be extended very far whereas the angels are called sons, Adam is called "son" In-fact all are the children of the Most High.

    In the Hebrew text Moses is called "God" in fact the scripture says "ye are gods" so the word God is used broadly but not so in the Quran Allah means "THE GOD" there is no such things as allahs it is a proper noun ALLAH there is no other how can there be another?

    So understanding the nature and culture of language is very important but most don't know. All of Israel was called The "Son of God"

    So yes if a lynching is in order I'd be in good company.

    #156339
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    Quote (t8 @ Nov. 13 2009,11:24)
    Not at all.

    This category is for Believers only. Before this, many members ended up debating the existence of God with non-believers and it slowed down discussion on doctrines and scriptural stuff quite a bit. It was decided that having an area for believers only, was to progress discussion on topics that believers believe in. It worked.

    Now to be consistent, we are debating whether a muslim should be here. Yes they believe in God, but not Jesus as the Christ. A believer is surely a person that believes that Jesus is the Christ and the son of God.

    We could always have another category for members of other faiths to put in their views about scripture and such. We did that for atheists and others who were steering topics away. It is not a matter of closing ones eyes.

    The reasons are purely practical and also, if a member happens to be a new believer and is given advice from a Muslim, he might mistaken that as another believer teaching him.

    Just making things clear is the intention.


    Muslims don't believe Jesus is The Christ? You are misinformed

    (7) Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.
    ( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)

    (11) christ disdaineth nor to serve and worship Allah, nor do the angels, those nearest (to Allah.: those who disdain His worship and are arrogant,-He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer).
    ( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #172)

    (21) They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah. there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).
    ( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #31)

    Now what were you saying? Isn't it the Jews that say that Jesus is not the Christ? So the Muslim position supports to the Jews the Christian belief, But most don't know.

    #156345
     bodhitharta 
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    Quote (942767 @ Nov. 13 2009,11:28)
    Hi:

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    2Jo 1:9   Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.  

    2Jo 1:10   If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed:  

    2Jo 1:11   For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.  

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    Be careful not to misguide:

    2 John 1 (Young's Literal Translation)

    7 because many leading astray did enter into the world, who are not confessing Jesus Christ coming in flesh; this one is he who is leading astray, and the antichrist.

    ALL MUSLIMS BELIVE CHRIST CAME IN THE FLESH but believe it or not all christians do not believe this way.

    3 John 1 (Young's Literal Translation)
    11Beloved, be not thou following that which is evil, but that which is good; he who is doing good, of God he is, and he who is doing evil hath not seen God;

    So who is it you condemn for Worshiping God Almighty or is there another who is your God or whom you make equal to or a partner with God?

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