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Demons are not fallen angels.
Demons are the disembodied spirits of the nephelim the children of the watchers (fallen angels) who were destroyed in the flood and killed through the conquests of Israel in the land of Caanan.
Where does it say that in the bible?
The mixing of seed is recorded as happening in one place in the bible, in the Garden.
It only took that one transgression to bring the fall of mankind.
By one man – Adam – we all die.
God made sure it would not – indeed could not ever happen again right there and then by changing the very form of the creature so as to prevent any future union.Angels good or bad are never distinguished in the bible except through context.
Demons, evil spirits, unclean spirits are distinguished from angels in that they are wandering and disembodied.
The apocryphal books do bring clarity to this issue in particular the book of enoch.
Most people will never learn these truths because they will never consider that the apocryphal books contain any truth. They will think these books are heritical and satanically inspired.
No matter how many times these books are quoted by prophets and apostles most people will never even give them a look.
A list of books quoted in the bible which most will never look into:
Book of the Covenant
Exodus 24:7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient.
There are those that believe the Book of the Covenant is found in Exodus chapters 20 through 23. There are no authoritative sources for this text.Book of the Wars of the Lord
Numbers 21:14 Wherefore it is said in the book of the wars of the Lord, What he did in the Red sea, and in the brooks of Arnon,
Certain sources believe that this is to be found by drawing text from several Old Testament books. There are no authoritative sources for this text.Book of Jasher Here We have the entire book on this site Here
Joshua 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
2 Samuel 1:18 (Also he bade them teach the children of Judah the use of the bow: behold, it is written in the book of Jasher.)The Manner of the Kingdom / Book of Statutes
1 Samuel 10:25 Then Samuel told the people the manner of the kingdom, and wrote it in a book, and laid it up before the Lord. And Samuel sent all the people away, every man to his house.Book of Samuel the Seer
1 Chronicles 29:29 Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer,Nathan the Prophet
1 Chronicles 29:29 Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer,
2 Chronicles 9:29 Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat?Acts of Solomon
1 Kings 11:41 And the rest of the acts of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom, are they not written in the book of the acts of Solomon?Shemaiah the Prophet
2 Chronicles 12:15 Now the acts of Rehoboam, first and last, are they not written in the book of Shemaiah the prophet, and of Iddo the seer concerning genealogies? And there were wars between Rehoboam and Jeroboam continually.Prophecy of Abijah
2 Chronicles 9:29 Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat?Story of Prophet Iddo
2 Chronicles 13:22 And the rest of the acts of Abijah, and his ways, and his sayings, are written in the story of the prophet Iddo.Visions of Iddo the Seer
2 Chronicles 9:29 Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat?Iddo Genealogies
2 Chronicles 12:15 Now the acts of Rehoboam, first and last, are they not written in the book of Shemaiah the prophet, and of Iddo the seer concerning genealogies? And there were wars between Rehoboam and Jeroboam continually.Book of Jehu
2 Chronicles 20:34 Now the rest of the acts of Jehoshaphat, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Jehu the son of Hanani, who is mentioned in the book of the kings of Israel.Sayings of the Seers Here
2 Chronicles 33:19 His prayer also, and how God was intreated of him, and all his sin, and his trespass, and the places wherein he built high places, and set up groves and graven images, before he was humbled: behold, they are written among the sayings of the seers.Book of Enoch Here
Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,Book of Gad the Seer
1 Chronicles 29:29 Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer,Epistle to Corinth Here
1 Corinthians 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:Epistle to the Ephesians (Missing)
Ephesians 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)Epistle from Laodicea to the Colossians (Missing)
Colossians 4:16 And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.Nazarene Prophecy Source
Matthew 2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a NazareneActs of Uziah
2 Chronicles 26:22 Now the rest of the acts of Uzziah, first and last, did Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz, write.The Annals of King David
1 Chronicles 27:24 Joab son of Zeruiah began to count the men but did not finish. Wrath came on Israel on account of this numbering, and the number was not entered in the book of the annals of King David.Jude, the Missing Epistle
No thanks I'll stick to the bible as I know it. That's the one that got me saved.
These books were only recently discovered and there is no absolute evidence that Enoch indeed wrote the words claimed to be his in the book of Enoch.
Christ's church has been saved by the blood of the Lamb through the ages since Calvary without the input of these texts – which I am sure however have many fine words in them.Don't go giving powers and possibilities to Satan and his angels that extend beyond those described in the Word of God.
James 2:19 the Devils believe and fear the One God.
In the book of Job we find that Satan is not at liberty to do anything to Job without God's permission.
Jude 1:9 tells us that the Devil when claiming the body of Moses was prevented from doing so by Michael.
In the book of Exodus – the death angel (angel of death – who's side is he on?) is sent by God and only permitted to strike a certain group.
In 1 Kings 22 we read of a vision of God and His Heavenly host – God asks “who's going to go down and deceive Ahab?” and a spirit comes before God and says “I will go and be a lying spirit in the mouth of his prophets” and God gives him leave to go and do this.I read of Satan and his angels confined to operate within a limited sphere, yet he is very effective within these confines. And holds sway over the souls of men because of sin in the Garden.
Quote (Mercy @ Sep. 18 2006,15:09) Goliath was a nephilim.
Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, and perfect in his generations: Noah walked with God.Goliath was not a half angel and half human Goliath came from Noah who's generations were “perfect”.
Again there were giants BEFORE and AFTER the son's of God had relations with Cains daughters.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Here are some reasons why I do not believe that fallen angels came and cohabited with men both before and after the flood.
God changes not – He always acts the same way – if He judges at the end according to what we have done – He must also have so judged at the beginning.
Which we find is so – the Serpent was given a judgment according to his deeds – the woman according to hers – and the man according to his.Yet he would have to have changed if he did not do the same to these fallen angels if He is to be consistent.
I find no record of any such thing in the Genesis account.What it says is that God was grieved in His heart because of the wickedness of man – no mention of angels.
Also how could he blame it all upon man and human flesh?
If there were spiritual beings of a higher order who were forcing themselves upon the women of mankind?
Yet there is no accountability given to any angels only to flesh.As to the question regarding the words BEFORE the flood and AFTER – how then can it be the serpent seed through Cain's line?
I Believe that Noah was the last unpolluted son of Adam – the last who was not the result of interbreeding between the two lineages.
As such his wife, his sons and his son's wives were of mixed parentage.We find that Noah found grace in the sight of God – that God declared the 'end of all flesh is before Me' – Noah was the last one left of the pure line of Adam.
Yet it is evident that Ham was just like his predecessor Cain, from Ham's line came Nimrod who founded Babel.
So after the flood the pure lineages were gone – and there is no way to trace the true seed from the rest as far as natural bloodlines is concerned.
That throws out any white supremacist ideas of Cain being a negro – or any other racist notions concerning this seed.The angels that cohabited did get judged.
2 Peter 2:4
4For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;Jude v. 6,7
6And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,7just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.
Read Jude vs. 6 and 7 very closely. Both sins are sexual.
Quote Demons are the disembodied spirits of the nephelim the children of the watchers (fallen angels) who were destroyed in the flood and killed through the conquests of Israel in the land of Caanan. This idea is interesting. I would like to see this proven from the Bible and not the book of Enoch however. What support do you have from the Bible for this? I know there have been a couple of ideas listed. Do you have an all comprehensive argument from the Bible for this belief?
david
From our western protestant canon it is harder to prove. Many writings exist in the apocrypha.
However, we can glean some insight from the bible on the matter.
Angels are never distinguished between good and bad. You have to find out which ones are being talked about by the context.
It is said that Judas was possessed of the devil. No where else does it ever imply that angels possess anbody. In fact they run around with bodies and even eat and drink. One could argue that the good angels are possessing people, but that is presumptious. They are described as magnificient, shining and brilliant and as if they have their own flesh appearing body. They can blend in with humans as well.
In the old testament demons are called unclean spirits while bad angels still retain the title angels. In the new testament bad angels and still called angels, but demons are distinguished by their title and by the way they possess.
Alot of the problem is in our minds we imagine what we think a spirit being is capable and not capable of doing. Well Jesus ressurected in a spiritual body. He appeared out of nowhere and even ascended bodily into heaven. He also could be touched and he could eat food.
Kenrch,
Out of curiostiy where do you think the giants came from? Do you think they are just large mutated humans?
the statement “and also after that”
can imply they existed also after the flood somehow surviving it. Less likely.
or that a second irruption of the sons of god accured and they did it again.
The hebrew to english translation is hard to make on this point.
II PETER 2:4-6
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;This passage in 2 Peter is speaking of the inescapability of judgment.
In 2 Pet 2:4 we read of the angels who fell in Heaven and were cast out of Heaven as a consequence of this.
In 2 Pet 2:5 we then are told of the inescapability of judgment on earth as illustrated firstly in the days of Noah by the judgment of the flood
And then in 2 Pet 2:6 by the illustration of the burning of Sodom and Gomorrah – which is a type of the judgment of fire to come.
For which the present world (cosmos) is reserved. (2 Pet 3:6-7)The passage mentioned in Jude is similar in it's meaning and intention
JUDE 1:3
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you]that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.Jude felt compelled to remind them to go back to the original faith upon which the church is built.
JUDE 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.Because there were now men stealing their way into the ministry of the body of Christ who were teaching the people abominable practices.
Early church history confirms that many false teachers in particular of the Gnostic sects began to teach immorality in the name of Christ.JUDE 1:5-7
I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.Therefore says Jude – I will remind you of something here : = so these next 2 verses are the reminder and should really be put in parenthesis as being interposed as a supporting argument and separate thought.
So what is being said here is that the people who were initially saved – the Church in the wilderness – the called out of God, were later destroyed because they did not continue with God but turned back to sin.
In like fashion did the angels who were at one time Holy angels of God – lose this position because of transgression through iniquity – because they listened to the lie of Lucifer and did not have faith in God – choosing rather to listen to him and follow him as their new god.And then he continues with the thought of verse 4…
JUDE 1:7-8
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.So even as the wicked inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah were known for their abominable practices and received the reward of everlasting fire – in the same fashion these filthy dreamers also corrupt their flesh despising those who have true power…
IMHO
Quote (david @ Sep. 20 2006,00:32) Quote Demons are the disembodied spirits of the nephelim the children of the watchers (fallen angels) who were destroyed in the flood and killed through the conquests of Israel in the land of Caanan. This idea is interesting. I would like to see this proven from the Bible and not the book of Enoch however. What support do you have from the Bible for this? I know there have been a couple of ideas listed. Do you have an all comprehensive argument from the Bible for this belief?
david
That is a point of view I have heard before.The Nephilim must have been many if this is true. Jesus cast 100 out of one man and into a herd of pigs. Imagine how many demons there must be in the whole earth.
Surely the angels didn't have that many offspring?
Their offspring were the legends of old. Surely there weren't that many legends either?
Hercules was a legend or Greek myth. His father was from heaven (Zues) and his mother (Gaia, I think) from earth. He was a giant too. But if he is one of the legends of old, then to believe that 100 demons inhabited one man, is to believe that 100 beings who were once legends inhabited one normal sized man. Yes this is possible as spirits are possibly not subject to physical laws, but I just can't see that there would be many demons on earth if they were the Nephilim.
The Nephilim continued on after the flood. The land of caanan were filled with them. Ask yourself why our loving God had everyone man, women and child killed during battle? Why did he command them not to have interracial marriages?
Look for the hints in the scriptures. Start with Goliath, and his crew. Then read about the anaks, anakems, the rephaim, the nephites, the zamzumim etc. Then take a peak at Saul.
malcolm ferris,
I respect your interpretation but I can't surrender my own judgement on this. I honestly believe that God has illuminated me on this subject. I have studied quite a bit on it asking for guidance. I believe that this is important given the fact that our Lord said that “as it was before the days of Noah so shall it be before the coming of the son of man.”
To me it is rather clear that Jude is describing the simularity between the sin of the angels that left their first estate and the sexual sins of sodom and gomorahha.
Jude then goes on to quote the book of enoch only 7 verses later.
These words are why Jude almost did not make it into the canon. Read the histories on this. They almost did not include 2 Peter, Jude and Revelation because they easily recognized they quoted directly and indirectly from the book of enoch.
I pray that others might understand the very real threat and dangers of the angelic realm. Not just is some ethereal manner but very down to earth dangers.
Yes, as I have been labeled before, I have a very science fiction view of the world. In my defense I do not go around casting demons out of doorknobs but I believe that the world is for more supernaturally sinister and cloaked in far more darkness than the average christian realizes.
Quote (Mercy @ Sep. 19 2006,06:08) Kenrch, Out of curiostiy where do you think the giants came from? Do you think they are just large mutated humans?
the statement “and also after that”
can imply they existed also after the flood somehow surviving it. Less likely.
or that a second irruption of the sons of god accured and they did it again.
The hebrew to english translation is hard to make on this point.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.There were gaints on earth in those days (THEN) ; and also AFTER that (after what?) when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men.
There were giants before the off spring of God's sons and after the off spring of the son's of God.
God destroyed ALL flesh except Noah (why?) because Noah was pure in his generations. Therefore Goliath came from Noah who's generations were perfect. Now either God failed in His attempt to destroy the unclean flesh and Goliath “slipped” through a crack Or God is God. Which do you believe?
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