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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 17 2009,22:03) Hi Jodi,
You may be confused by this line
“Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption. “But holiness is not sinlessness.
Neither is it goodness as only God is good.
Man cannot make himself in anyway holy, even by sinlessnessJesus is the Holy one of God because of his anointing with the Spirit of Holiness.
Romans 1:4
And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:Vessels, places, book etc can all be holy if appointed as such by God
Exodus 3:5
And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.Exodus 15:13
Thou in thy mercy hast led forth the people which thou hast redeemed: thou hast guided them in thy strength unto thy holy habitation.Exodus 16:23
And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.Exodus 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.Exodus 28:2
And thou shalt make holy garments for Aaron thy brother for glory and for beauty.Exodus 28:38
And it shall be upon Aaron's forehead, that Aaron may bear the iniquity of the holy things, which the children of Israel shall hallow in all their holy gifts; and it shall be always upon his forehead, that they may be accepted before the LORD.Exodus 29:6
And thou shalt put the mitre upon his head, and put the holy crown upon the mitre.
Nick, you said, “Man cannot make himself in anyway holy, even by sinlessness.”Where did I say that Jesus made HIMSELF holy?
The scripture states that God could not hold the penalty of death to Jesus. We know that the penalty of sin is death, and we also know that Jesus was sinless, thus I feel it is rather the simple truth to state that because of the fact that Jesus was sinless, GOD, (not Jesus), could not hold Jesus to the penalty of death, and therefore had to resurrect him.
God's Spirit working in the man Jesus made Jesus righteous. God's Spirit gave immortality to the lifeless body of Jesus.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 17 2009,22:37) Hi Jodi,
We are not allowed to add our assumptions to scripture.
Besides he died.
Nick there is NO ASSUMPTIONS here,24 whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it.
Why Nick was it possible that Jesus could not be held by death?
Hi Jodi,
He died.
Romans 5:6
For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 6:10
For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Romans 8:34
Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Romans 14:9
For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
Romans 14:15
But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.The penalty of sin is death.
You want to make it being held by death and not corrupting?
Jodi…….absolutely right……..God could not have left Jesus in the Grave and be faithful to his word, because He was without Sin, God said the Soul that sinneth (IT) shall die, Jesus died for us not for any sin he committed if he would not have died for us he would not have died at all. Because He did not sin. Jesus was God's SACRIFICE OFFERING FOR THE SIN OF THE WORLD. He was GOD lamb offering , He was the LAMB without SPOT (no sin) The spirit of God in Him raised Him up from the grave.
love and peace to you and your………………….gene
So GB,
His raising proved he was the Holy one of God.Demons knew
Mark 1:24
Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 17 2009,22:52) Hi Jodi,
He died.
Romans 5:6
For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 6:10
For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Romans 8:34
Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Romans 14:9
For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
Romans 14:15
But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.The penalty of sin is death.
You want to make it being held by death and not corrupting?
What are you talking about?Why post a bunch of scriptures that speak of Jesus dying?
I know Jesus died, dude.
Exactly, the penalty of sin is death, but yet Jesus died and he did not sin, this is WHY God could not hold death over him, but had to raise him.
Yes obviously Jesus being raised from the dead proved him to be the Holy one from God, but that does not take away from the fact that Jesus died even though he knew no sin, and thus was raised because of that fact.
Quote (Jodi @ Jan. 18 2009,18:03) Yes obviously Jesus being raised from the dead proved him to be the Holy one from God, but that does not take away from the fact that Jesus died even though he knew no sin, and thus was raised because of that fact.
It is because Jesus was the Word first before He came to earth and became flesh. He is and was the Son of God from the very beginning before the world was. He knew what was at stake, and He would not Sin. If He would be a mere Human IMO He would have sinned like all have sinned and are short of the glory of God.
Col. 1:15-18 shows us that He was the firstborn of all creation and that through Him and for Him all was created. He died and was resurrected from the dead, so that in all He will have preeminence.
Rev. 3:14 too shows that He was the firstborn of all creation. So He was the Holy One before and emptied Himself to die for us, then was resurrected from the dead and took back the glory He had from the beginning. John 17:5.
But of course you will never agree.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 25 2008,05:32) GB,
Satan is not a man.
Man is not intrisically evil.2 Timothy 2:21
If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
Greetings Nick….The heart of the man is woefully wicked and at enmity with God….There is what is written in scripture than there is the understanding that is gifted to those who study diligently and seek Gods direction through his written word….Hi TJ,
Indeed satan has ruled the hearts of man since Genesis. Sin has lived in man and all the earth has been under his power and control.Genesis 6:5
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.Proverbs 15:28
The heart of the righteous studieth to answer: but the mouth of the wicked poureth out evil things.Matthew 15:18
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.There is freedom in the kingdom of light of Jesus.
Colossians 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:The heart can yet receive the light.
Romans 10:10
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.Quote (Jodi @ Jan. 18 2009,15:24) Acts 2:24 whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it. 25 For David says concerning Him: 'I foresaw the Lord always before my face, For He is at my right hand, that I may not be shaken. 26 Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad; Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope. 27 For You will not leave my soul in Hades, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption. Jesus was flesh and blood as we are, he felt pain, suffering and he died, but because he was sinless, God could not hold him to the punishment of death, he had to be resurrected.
Exactly. Amen to this Jodi.Hi 94,
He died.
He died for our sin.
He bore our punishment.
He had to die as our scapegoat.
He had to be raised to fulfill scriptureHi 94
1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 19 2009,07:02) Hi 94,
He died.
He died for our sin.
He bore our punishment.
He had to die as our scapegoat.
He had to be raised to fulfill scripture
Hi Nick:He would not have been raised from the dead if he had sinned, but thank God that he did not or else where would we be?
Hi 94,
I am not sure if such is written.
But God never fails to bring His prophesied will into fruition.God gave him every help to ensure he did not.
Then he filled this clean vessel with the fullness of His Spirit.Hi,
Jb1
8And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?9Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
10Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
11But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
12And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
So God can put a hedge of protection around people and bless them.
Satan suggested God touch Job and then God gave permission for Satan to test him.
There is a lot to learn for us in these verses.
If “satan” in the Bible is just some “wicked one” could someone explain this verse:
1 JOHN 3:10-12
“The children of God and the children of the Devil are evident by this fact: Everyone who does not carry on righteousness does not originate with God, neither does he who does not love his brother. For this is the message which YOU have heard from [the] beginning, that we should have love for one another; not like Cain, who originated with the wicked one and slaughtered his brother. And for the sake of what did he slaughter him? Because his own works were wicked, but those of his brother [were] righteous.”Cain originated with “the wicked one.”
Well, who is this, then? Adam? Who existed before Cain? I think it was the puppeteer behind the snake.But if not, then who?
David ……….Simple the children of GOD Have His Spirit . the children of the devil has mans carnal nature and spirit. David there is no SATAN Being the word SATAN and DEVIL, SERPENT, DEMONS, are descriptors of EVIL that is in man. They are adjectives Describing EVIL Nature in man. There are no spooks or boogie men DAVID. Remember Jesus called Peter SATAN, was He really SATAN Being< NO he was being adversarial to GOD'S will. Anyone can be a SATAN or A DEVIL DAVID. IMO
peace and love………………..gene
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