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LU……so youbelieve they (JESUS,AND GOD THE FATHER) are interdependly united, meaning one depends on the other right? SO GOD THE FATHER CAN NOT EXIST WITH OUT THE SON RIGHT? pray tell us where in the scriptures do you get that from.
peace and love to you and yours. …………….gene
Who/what is the ‘word’ that became flesh in John 1?
Lightenup,
To keep you in track, in my last post I said:
The beginning of the CREATION OF GOD,
is a reference to the first ever creature,
LUCIFER
who was in actual fact
THE ONLY VISIBLE, ESTABLISHED, CREATED TRUE God WHICH GOD ALMIGHTY EVER CREATED!
THROUGH “THE WORD” SINCE ALL BY HIM, AND ALL IN HIM!
IN ORDER FOR GOD ALMIGHTY TO BE
IN THE TRUTH:
ESTABLISHED FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER!
Then I made clear that:
THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD
SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD:
…….THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF LUCIFER
THE LIGHT BEARER, WISDOM!
SO THE BEGINNING IS LUCIFER AS SUCH, BUT IN THE SAME TIME
“THE WORD” BOTH A CREATURE AND A GOD, BOTH CREATED AND NOT!
WITH THE DIFFERENCE THAT LUCIFER WAS CREATED, THE FIRST EVER CREATURE, GOD’S FIRST CARRIER AND “THE WORD” THE SON, JESUS’SPIRIT, THE ONLY MEDIATOR SPIRIT, WITH ALL THE POWER OF GOD, WAS EMANATED FROM WITHIN THE FATHER, AND INSERTED INTO LUCIFER AS HIS LIFE SOURCE, and also for GOD ALMIGHTY TO BE IN A POSITION TO MOVE FOR THE FIRST EVER TIME,SINCE BEFORE HE OCCUPIED THE ENTIRE SPACE, AND ALSO CHANGED INTO THE FIRST EVER FORM, SINCE BEFORE HE WAS SPIRIT WITHOUT FORM????
TO GIVE YOU A KIND OF A PICTURE:
THE EXTERNAL ENTITY WAS LUCIFER, WITHIN LUCIFER THE WORD, MEDIATOR SPIRIT, WITHIN THE WORD , THE HOLY SPIRIT, WITHIN THE HOLY SPIRIT, GOD ALMIGHTY! THIS TO BOTH PROTECT LUCIFER FROM BEING ERADICATED WITH THE LEAST INTENTION OF SIN, AND ALSO TO PREVENT THE FATHER FROM BEING STAINED WITH THE LEAST KIND OF SIN!
FOUR SPIRITS IN ONE! LUCIFER AS AN ARCHANGEL! BUT IN THE TRUTH: SIX ! ONE OF THE THREE SIXES SINCE HE WAS STILL AN ARCHANGEL IN HARMONY WITH GOD, DUE TO THE FACT THAT “THE WORD” WAS IN THE FULL POWER OF A TRIUNE!
NOW IN VIEW OF THE ABOVE, LET’S READ John 1:1:5
SO SINCE LUCIFER WAS THE BEGINNING AND THE WORD, THE SON, WAS JESUS TO BE:
IN the beginning, was the Word, SHOULD BE
IN LUCIFER WAS JESUS to be
and the word, was with God,
AND JESUS to be, WAS BOTH WITH LUCIFER, THE CREATED GOD, THE FIRST CREATURE!
AND WITH GOD ALMIGHTY! ALL BY HIM, AND ALL IN HIM!
A REFERENCE ALSO TO LUCIFER SINCE THE END PRODUCT WAS HIM!
and the Word was God.
AND JESUS to be WAS GOD/LUCIFER god, BOTH THROUGH “THE WORD”, THEREFORE:
BOTH INVISIBLE AND VISIBLE,
BOTH SPIRIT AND MATTER to be,
BOTH WATER AND BLOOD to be, ( 1 John 5:6 )
BOTH MALE AND FEMALE to be!(Genesis 1:27)
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
The same was “THE WORD”, JESUS to be , IN LUCIFER WITH GOD, So although THE WORD was in Lucifer he was also with GOD
3All things were made by him:
all things were made BY THE WORD, JESUS to be, FROM WITHIN LUCIFER/ or LUCIFER THROUGH “THE WORD”, JESUS to be
and without him was made nothing that was made.
and without LUCIFER/ “THE WORD”, JESUS to be, was made nothing that was made.
4 in him was life, and the life was the light of men.
In LUCIFER/SATAN was “THE WORD”, and THE WORD was the light of LUCIFER’S ORIGINAL SUBSTANCES. US!
5 and the light shineth in darkness,and the darkness did not comprehend it.
And the “THE WORD” shineth in SATANA/LUCIFER, and LUCIFER’S SUBSTANCES,US and SATANA/ LUCIFER did not comprehend it. THE SAME WITH US!
THIS SITUATION WAS TOPPLED WHEN “THE WORD” WAS MADE FLESH, AND BECAME JESUS, AND WITHIN JESUS’ SOUL THERE WAS SATANA, WHO WAS REMOVED BY JOHN ON BAPTISM, THEN ON THE CROSS SATANA AGAINST HIS/HER WILL TOOK JESUS’SOUL AND WAS THROWN TO HELL BEATEN, AND LOST THE RIGHT ON ONE OF HIS GENUINE SUBSTANCE ,MATTER! FLESH!
ONE OF HIS EX SPIRIT! MALE! THROUGH JESUS! VISIBLE!
HE HAS ONLY ONE LEFT! FEMALE!
WHOM HE EVENTUALLY LOSE THROUGH MARY! ALSO “! THE WORD” BUT HER SOUL! INVISIBLE!
SHE WILL CRUSH HIS HEAD ONCE AND FOR ALL!
AND GOD ALMIGHTY WOULD OWN THE RIGHT TO BE:
BOTH MALE AND FEMALE!
BOTH JESUS AND MARY!
BOTH THE BRIDEGROOM AND THE BRIDE!
BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH!
“THE WORD”
ALL BY HIM, ALL IN HIM , AND ALL FOR HIM
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
@GeneBalthrop
For starters…John 5:19
Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.John 8:16
16Yet even if I do judge, my judgment is true, for it is not I alone who judge, but I and the Father who sent me.The very reality of being Father depends on the existence of the Son.
Can you think of something the Father did apart from the cooperation of the Son in some way? Creation involved the Father working through the Son. Salvation involved the Father sending the Son and receiving the Son’s finished work on the cross.
We are persons made in His image.
@carmel
Is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit worthy of all praise, honor and glory above all, in your opinion and do you love them with your whole heart, soul, and mind?LU,
Mankind was made in Jehovah’s image and then he fell from grace. The new man is created in his image.
@NickHassan
No.@kerwin
What is your scripture that tells you that man stopped being the image of God when sin entered the man?LU,
There is a passage in Ephesians that tells those that follow the true gospel to put on the new man created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness. The old man does not bear the image of God. Colossians has equivalent passage that states “have put on the new <i>man,</i> which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:”
LU, are you still trying to convert people to believe in a double God who is singular?
lol. 10 points for effort.
Mankind was made in the image of God…fact. That happened and the results continue. All of mankind before and after the fall were made in the image of God at the time He first created them male and female. People treat each other poorly when they forget that the person they are treating poorly was not also made in the image of God. Believers’ minds are being renewed to the knowledge that their ‘neighbor’ is to be loved as they love themselves because of the reality that even those who still do not believe, were made in the image of God. Being made in the image of God is not something mankind can undo, it happened once at the creation of mankind and the condition is not conditional.
@t8
you said:
LU, are you still trying to convert people to believe in a double God who is singular?
lol. 10 points for effort.
🙂 well actually I am going for an eternal reward but thanks for all the opportunities to show you where you are off target with your understanding.
Please notice Feb. 4th post here:
Also, since I have never referred to them as a double God who is singular, you continue to mishandle what I do say. I will again take this opportunity to clarify for the sake of the reader:
In the OT, things of God are done in the name of YHWH, in the NT, things of God are addressed to the Father, in the name of the Son. That is quite different.
In the OT, YHWH is prayed to. In the NT, the Father and the Son are prayed to. That is also quite different.
In the OT, mercy and grace are sought after from YHWH. In the NT, mercy and grace are sought after from the Father and the Son. That is another big difference.
I would think that there must be some sort of spiritual blindness to not see this obvious difference and acknowledge that our salvation is from two persons, not just one.
Some people who claim to worship YHWH do not seem to understand that YHWH is both the God of gods and the Lord of lords and that is two persons as Paul clarifies for us and tells us that we have one God and one Lord and speaks of them as two persons. The Spirit is an extension of them and seems to me to be their omnipresence although some think of the Spirit as another person, I have yet to understand this if this is so.
So, in regards to: “I am YHWH your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before Me,” since YHWH is both God of gods and the Lord of lords, we should honor both as YHWH and not only recognize one as YHWH. That would truly be obeying the first commandment as I understand it.
Jesus honored the first commandment. He truly knew who YHWH was and that He, was a part of YHWH as the Lord of lords. He also spent quite of bit of teaching to clarify that He, as the Son, the Lord of lords, was NOT the Father. Some people try to make them the same person but scripture is clear that they are distinct.
God bless you, t8 and thanks again for another opportunity!
PS I was wondering how you would answer this question:
Do you honor the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit as being above all and love them with your whole heart and soul and mind?Your imagination is fantastic
But your ideas are unrelated to the teaching of God.
Nick,
YOUR STATEMENT IS NULL!
THERE’S ONLY ONE WAY OUT FOR YOUR STATEMENT TO BE TRUE:
PICK ANY STATEMENT FROM MY POST,
CONTRADICT ME USING SCRIPTURE which mine is creamed with!
OR ELSE DO NOT BOTHER TO SAY ANYTHING SINCE IT IS OF NO USE!
ALSO:
IF YOU DO NOT DO AS I AM SUGGESTING
MY POST STANDS
I SAID MY POST, DUE TO THE FACT THAT ITS ELEMENTS ARE NOT MINE, BUT GOD’S WORK THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT!
I AM WAITING FOR SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL FROM YOUR MOUTH, NOT WITH EVERY RESPECT CHILDISH,IMMATURE,CHATTING!
YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR PART SERIOUSLY!
I AM WELL PLEASED AND EXPECT SOMEBODY TO PROVE ME OTHERWISE!
TRUTH IS WHAT JESUS DIED FOR!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit worthy of all praise, honor and glory above all, in your opinion and do you love them with your whole heart, soul, and mind?
Lightenup,
THE FACT THAT I POSTED SUCH POST,
DOES IT, IN A WAY TELL YOU
THAT I AM NOT AS YOU ASKED IN THE ABOVE HEADING
SINCE YOU SIMPLY NEVER PRODUCED A SUBSTANTIAL STATEMENT WHICH SUPPORTED YOUR QUESTION
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
@carmel
I asked this:
Is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit worthy of all praise, honor and glory above all, in your opinion and do you love them with your whole heart, soul, and mind?You said this:
THAT I AM NOT AS YOU ASKED IN THE ABOVE HEADING
SINCE YOU SIMPLY NEVER PRODUCED A SUBSTANTIAL STATEMENT WHICH SUPPORTED YOUR QUESTION
So, you do not feel that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are worthy of all praise, honor and glory above all?
Is that right? Who do you think is above all and worthy of all praise, honor and glory?
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