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@kerwin
Do you think that this verse is translated correctly with using ‘beginning?’ Do you think that should be ‘chief’ or ‘preeminent?’I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
LU……DEPENDS ON YOUR PERSPECTIVE , JESUS WAS THE FIRST OF THE HUMAN RACE TO ATTAIN TO ETERNAL LIFE AND THE LAST SHALL BE JUST LIKE HIM. It all about your perspective . Jesus was the “beginning” or premier or chief, or first of the perfected human race to attain to the goal GOD HAS IN mind for us all. He is the FIRSTBORN into the kingdom of GOD FROM MANKIND.
See how your perspective comes in play, you are a CHATHOLIC, I BELIEVE, AND YOU ARE VIEWING things through their concepts, you want JESUS TO PREEXIST AS THE FIRST OF GOD’S CREATION, so you see it from that perspective. Most here do not see it that way and view it from a different perspective. We believe JESUS IS A TRUELY “SECOND” ADAM, and came into existence at the time of his berth. That half of his DNA, came from king David, the other half supplied by GOD HIMSELF, when the spirit overshadow Mary his mother. Jesus to us the first perfected man from the human race to atain to the goal GOD has in mind for us all. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. ……………….gene
Hi,
John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you…
What applied to Jesus before his anointing also applies to those who follow him into his death and resurrection[jn6]
LU,
Interpreting it to mean beginning as in a sense of time is incorrect. Preeminent, chief, or both would be correct. I already made my conviction about the words “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” A little research in Scripture will find that God called himself the first and last God and the context reveals he meant he was the only God. There was no other Gods in the set of Gods.
I do not see either Jesus or God being the end of anything. I do Jesus finishing the work God put before him and that occurs when God has put everything under his feet.
You are right, this thread is based on the word ‘Beginning.’
Lightenup,
I’m afraid you didn’t get what I was aiming at
The beginning of the CREATION OF GOD,
is a reference to the first ever creature,
LUCIFER
who was in actual fact
THE ONLY VISIBLE, ESTABLISHED, CREATED TRUE God WHICH GOD ALMIGHTY EVER CREATED!
THROUGH “THE WORD”
IN ORDER FOR GOD ALMIGHTY TO BE
IN THE TRUTH:
ESTABLISHED FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER!
SINCE ON HIS OWN HE WAS NOT KNOWN, BUT IN, AND BY LUCIFER HE WAS,
OR SUPPOSE TO HAVE BEEN!
IF LUCIFER WAS NOT THE FATHER OF LIES,
THE FACT THAT WE ARE HERE
TODAYSO REV. 3:14
…….THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD
SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD:
…….THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF LUCIFER
THE LIGHT BEARER, WISDOM!
HE WAS THE FIRST TO BE CREATED, AND BY HIM, AND THROUGH HIM ALL WAS CREATED, HE WAS THE FIRST BORN OF EVERY CREATURE!
But hidden in him was
“THE WORD” THE ONLY LIFE SOURCE!
The AMEN,
The FAITHFUL
The TRUE WITNESS OF
GOD ALMIGHTY
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST, WHOM GOD PURPOSELY SENT!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi,
There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
The philosophers and theologians cannot grasp this.
Hi,
Thanks to the obedience of Jesus of Nazareth “the Word was made flesh” at the Jordan[ by anointing ]
and dwelt among us.
LU,
With Jesus Christ you have both the human being Jesus of Nazareth, whom was made of a woman, and the Sonship, which is the Spirit of God and so has been here since eternity. The later is the more important of the two and may be the subject of the passage from Revelations about supremacy, chief, or beginning.
@kerwin
So, do you believe in the pre-existence of the ‘person’ of Jesus since you believe that He is the Spirit of God who existed eternally?@carmel
Who/what is the ‘word’ that became flesh in John 1?@kerwin
you said:Interpreting it to mean beginning as in a sense of time is incorrect. Preeminent, chief, or both would be correct.
Have you considered that the ‘beginning’ is possibly referencing a position
- that existed before the creation of God
and the One that existed in that position.
Do you see how the ‘beginning’ could be a position of something in relation to something else? Like, the beginning of the play would not be the first play or the chief/preeminent play but the ‘overture,’ for example. The beginning of the Olympics is not the first olympics or the chief/preeminent olympics but the opening ceremony,’ as another example. The overture of the play exists in the beginning of the play, the opening ceremony exists in the beginning of the olympics.
I already made my conviction about the words “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” A little research in Scripture will find that God called himself the first and last God and the context reveals he meant he was the only God. There was no other Gods in the set of Gods.
Of course, many Christians believe that God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords and therefore, God is two persons united as one and often represented as one voice. Jesus is the Lord of lords, the Father is the God of gods…for us there is one God, the Father,…and one Lord, Jesus Christ.
I do not see either Jesus or God being the end of anything. I do Jesus finishing the work God put before him and that occurs when God has put everything under his feet.
He is eternally a king so that work continues forever.
@GeneBalthrop
Yes, perspective does spring forth our understanding of things, that is called our ‘bias.’ Do you believe that there are many wrong perspectives here on HN and that you have the right perspective?you said:
See how your perspective comes in play, you are a CHATHOLIC, I BELIEVE, AND YOU ARE VIEWING things through their concepts, you want JESUS TO PREEXIST AS THE FIRST OF GOD’S CREATION, so you see it from that perspective. Most here do not see it that way and view it from a different perspective. We believe JESUS IS A TRUELY “SECOND” ADAM, and came into existence at the time of his berth. That half of his DNA, came from king David, the other half supplied by GOD HIMSELF, when the spirit overshadow Mary his mother. Jesus to us the first perfected man from the human race to atain to the goal GOD has in mind for us all. IMO
I think that most active members believe that Jesus pre-existed his flesh and that He was the second Adam from the moment He became flesh.
Also, I am not Catholic. I am Christian. That is my perspective from which I understand the scripture. I view Jesus as being Jehovah as the Lord of lords and His Father as being Jehovah as the God of gods. I believe they are interdependently united and act as one God and often express themselves as one Jehovah God in the fullest sense and often as one voice. The Lord of lords is the true and only son of the God of gods. The Spirit of God is the spirit of the Father and the spirit of the Son, united and extending from them to us and to wherever it is directed. The Father, Son and Spirit are above all and worthy of all glory, honor, and praise and we are to love them with all our heart, soul, and mind.
LU,
So, do you believe in the pre-existence of the ‘person’ of Jesus since you believe that He is the Spirit of God who existed eternally?
I believe Jesus of Nazareth is a human being and therefore no more preexistant than any other human being.
God was pleased to have his Spirit dwell in Jesus and the God’s Spirit has no beginning or end.
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