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Hi Nick, so Fathers do not have a beginning? See I can ask you the same type of question. In the case of the creator God, there is a Father that didn’t have a beginning as well as a Son. In all other cases of fathers and sons, they indeed do have a beginning.
HI Carmel
Your views are just as plausible as the rest of the confusion and I must admit what you are saying sounds absolutely CRAZY to me but oddly enough it contains 3 elements 1. Jesus is God 2.there is a trinity 3. God has a son……from that combination there is endless mischief
Hi Nick
Hi Nick, so Fathers do not have a beginning? See I can ask you the same type of question. In the case of the creator God, there is a Father that didn’t have a beginning as well as a Son. In all other cases of fathers and sons, they indeed do have a beginning.
Her logic is airtight and it is because of this Hopeless confusion, once you say God has children then you could also say God is a child of someone else or children don’t even need a Father if a Father doesn’t need to have a beginning. In Islam God has no sons or daughter and is Unique and Sovereign there is nothing in creation like Him
Hi Carmel
Hi bodhitharta
Proverbs 15:14
The heart of HIM that has understanding seeks KNOWLEDGE: but the MOUTH of fools feeds on FOOLISHNESS.
I didn’t say anything about you seeking knowledge, Knowledge is great, but your idea are not really knowledge based they are more subjectively based without much of an objective foundation in other words your making most of it up out of your head
Hi Carmel
Life is 4 letters Word is 4 letters Jesus is 5 letters because the last
S
is the serpent
To everyone else it’s just a joke
Hi Carmel
Life is 4 letters Word is 4 letters Jesus is 5 letters because the last
S
is the serpentTo everyone else it’s just a joke
Hi bodhitharta
Proverbs 15:14
…………………………… but the MOUTH of fools feeds on FOOLISHNESS.Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Db….Spirit begets Spirit, GOD IS A SPIRIT, IF THE SEED OF GOD ABIDE IN YOU YOU ARE A SON OF GOD EVEN NOW. Having a son or daughter does not make even human beings equal. BUT IT DOES TIE THEM TOGETHER IN A RELATIONSHIP. MANY SCRIPTURES SHOW GOD HAS SONS . GOD THE FATHER IS UNIQUE, BUT HE HAS MANY, MANY SONS AND DAUGHTERS. IF ISLAM DOES NOT RECONIZE THAT, THEY ARE IN GREAT ERROR WITH TRUE SCRIPTURES. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. ……………gene
We all agree the Father (creator. Yahweh Jehovah and a few other names.) is eternal, no entity created him. The one called God’s son ie the son of God or the only begotten son of God, is both in spiritual and physical form. The word begotten means born or created out of. so either way both physical and spiritual come out of the Father.
The first is the spiritual being the Spirit of the Son of God. The risen Jesus in revelation says they are the same entity as he says the person of himself is the very first act of creation.
Time passes and the times comes for the Fathers master plan of redeeming mankind is to begin. A virgin Israelite woman is chosen. The Holly Spirit overshadows her. The Spirit of the Son of God enter her to create in her a child. At this point, it is good to look at the Spirit of the Son of God, Yes he is God but NOT the father as he was created. The same way you are the same surname as your parents and mostly possess the same attributes as them, The same here. Jesus showed the same attributes as his Father in raising the dead, changing water to wine and calming the elements. All of this was available to the now man Jesus. being subject to His Father did not use it until his Father gave permission at his baptism. Look up the meaning of adoption in the middle east. it was at Jesus baptism the father gave all authority to Jesus. and his miraculous ministry started. In referring to his pre physical nature, Jesus prays to his Father, (John 17.5) Meaning when its all over ,restore the glory he had with his father before he came to earth. as being the Spirit of the Son of God, subject to his father.
Everyone get the picture? !!!!.
DavidH,
According to Revelations 13:8 The Lamb(Jesus Christ) has been slain from the foundations of the earth.
Who slew the Lamb while God was creating the foundations of the earth?
Kerwin,
Try reading the verse you quoted with commas in the correct place as in the original greek doesn’t have commas
We all agree the Father (creator. Yahweh Jehovah and a few other names.) is eternal, no entity created him.
davidH
PERFECT!
Humbly guided by The Holy Spirit permit me to share what’s hereunder:
GOD the Father IS LOVE!
At one unfathomable stage, God was not in the condition to create, although He was in every sense omnipotent, He was in a mode to say asleep, not active, in relation to creation!
However God Himself being eternal, cannot contain in Himself anything temporal and passing, or just coming into being, but what is within Him is eternal, like unto Himself!He can only place outside of Himself, so that they can be seen, in order that they may obtain a natural independence. And when He does that, then is this issue from Him an act of creation and for that being who is a thought of God, placed as it were in TOTAL freedom external to Him, through
HIS POWER The Holy Spirit and WISDOM, His Son!
There first begins the period (or rather state) of permitted self activity, for the acquiring of a permanent, independent existence, as it were outside of God,
EVEN ALTHOUGH ACTUALLY STILL WITHIN GOD!
God wasn’t and never be in need of anything as such except TO SHARE HIS TOTALITY in His own kingdom, which it always was all within the deity! He simply wanted to be totally charitable and give all whatever He had within Himself and His concept for the sake of His kingdom, without diminishing not only the least of the least of what He owns ,but once He commenced, He keeps on enriching Himself and never ends in doing so!
HE HIMSELF WOULD BE BOTH WITHIN HIMSELF, AND OUTSIDE OF HIMSELF
ONE UNIQUE UNFATHOMABLE SPIRIT!
Nevertheless God lacked certain conditions, states!
FIRST:
He lacked movement due to the fact that His spirit occupied the entire, what in our terms we call space, but related to the deity ONLY HE KNOWS WHAT ACTUALLY IS! I SIMPLY SAY:
GOD ALMIGHTY IN HIS PERSONAL GLORY!
SECOND:
God is love, but He lacked Love outside of himself. Actual love itself, again related to God we can never fathom, but definitely it is not self love which is wrong, so within the deity there is LOVING RELATION to other entities. THE SON OF HIS LOVE, and the HOLY SPIRIT, which again in our terms we can only call them persons.
THIRD:
God lacked an actual physical spiritual body outside of himself to abide within!
The one called God’s son ie the son of God or the only begotten son of God, is both in spiritual and physical form. The word begotten means born or created out of. so either way both physical and spiritual come out of the Father.
So once the deity reached the appropriate state and created the first ever creature, God definitely lacked none of the above. The deity established titles related to his primordial spirits LOVE was allocated to the FATHER, WISDOM, to THE SON, and POWER to THE HOLY SPIRIT!
This in no way means that the Father has only Love and no wisdom, or power, in the same way The Son and The Holy Spirit!These three fundamental attributes are inseparable, in every spirit whether emanated, which is related to the deity, or created related to the creatures!
Since God is love, He was only motivated to create the very first being by the thought of creating a vessel for Himself which was intended to assimilate His incessantly outpouring strength of love and His infinite love wanted to give itself and only ever provide happiness to all the eventual kinds of spiritual creation through this first ever BEGINNING! Therefore, God wanted to create something that corresponded to Himself in every sense, an image of Himself eternally permeated by God Almighty’s strength of love. A supreme perfect indescribably beautiful being equally able to be creatively active without limitation.
All the above intrinsic virtues, would have been useless if this first ever creature was not completely like God Himself, in total freedom to act according to his own free will whether loyal or not to God!
It was useless if through the least of the least sin, this creature , and the eventual creatures through him, would be destroyed, simply because God, in a mode to say was allergic to sin.
So the deity established the very first entity, which made it possible not only for God to abide in this creature and in all the eventual creatures no matter what, but also through their own free will, with His power of benignity, He would lead all the imperfect back to perfection even if it takes an endless time!So this first ever entity was none other then “THE WORD” God’s entire power in His Son’s spirit of WISDOM, as the only mediator spirit between God within THE HOLY SPIRIT, and His creatures, no matter what! The Holy Trinity all in His Son!
Well specifically declared by Paul:
1 Corinthians 1:24 But unto them that are called, both Jews and Greeks,
Christ the POWER of God, THE HOLY SPIRIT! JESUS’SOUL
and the WISDOM of God. THE SON! “THE WORD” MADE FLESH JESUS’ BODY!
God hidden within “THE WORD” abided for the first ever time within this creature,
THE LIGHT BEARER! Lucifer!The light itself was “THE WORD” and the bearer was Lucifer!
AND FOR THE FIRST EVER TIME, HIDDEN IN “THE WORD” HIS SON, GOD:
Through and in Lucifer:
was both within Himself through “THE WORD” and outside of Himself in Lucifer’s physical spiritual body!
was both static in “THE WORD” and in motion by His first creature Lucifer !
admired Himself, through “THE WORD” and His first creature Lucifer!
loved Himself, through “THE WORD” and His creature Lucifer!
loved by Himself through “THE WORD” and by His first creature Lucifer!
was within Himself through “THE WORD” and within His first creature Lucifer”
was both an invisible spiritual God through “THE WORD” and visible physical god in His first creature Lucifer
was both uncreated through “THE WORD” and created in His first creature Lucifer!
The first is the spiritual being the Spirit of the Son of God. The risen Jesus in revelation says they are the same entity as he says the person of himself is the very first act of creation.
YES: God through HIS SON’S SPIRIT was the very first act of creation when he established
“THE WORD” WISDOM, THE ONLY MEDIATOR SPIRIT,
BETWEEN THE FIRST EVER CREATURE LUCIFER, AND THROUGH HIM, THE EVENTUAL CREATION AND GOD!
All by him, all in him, and all for him!
After the rebel “ THE WORD” for the sake of God’s Kingdom, was sacrificed to maintain eternal life to the lost sheep Lucifer and His angels, US, and deliberately was buried, hidden in the process of our tangible creation
SLAIN FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD REV.13:8
Both in water SPIRIT “THE WORD” and blood LUCIFER matter to be!
Where He still abides for eternity to maintain eternal life!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Did Jesus BECOME a life giving spirit?
Nick,
READ MY CONCLUSION AGAIN:
Where He still abides for eternity to maintain eternal life!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi C,
SLAIN FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD REV.13:8
Rev 17.8.
” And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD..”
Reliance on one verse can lead folk astray.
Nick,
I believe it is a disagreement between two manuscripts. The AV of the KJV is translated from one while modern versions such as NET are translated from the other. You have a good argument that it is a technical error but either version can be interpreted to be true. In prophecy Jesus Christ has always been the Lamb that was slain just like some those whose names are already written in the book of life may not even be conceived in their mother yet.
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