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Yes that sounds very gnostic.
No evidence but strong opinions
Nick,
YOU ARE THAT TERRORIZED TO DISCUSS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU DO NOT DARE
PIN POINT YOUR PARTICULARS REGARDING WHAT FOR YOU IS CONSIDERED GNOSTIC
MOST, ON HEAVEN NET CHOOSE NOT TO DISCUSS WHAT I AM REVEALING, OBVIOUSLY NOT MY OWN, SINCE I RECEIVED THEM MOSTLY FROM OTHER SOURCES, the fact that they look so, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY SUPPORT TO PROVE THEIR BELIEF AND CONTRADICT ME THROUGH SCRIPTURES, AND CHOOSE TO CUT IT OFF SHORT AND APPLY THE MOST PRIDE,INFERIOR,ALARMING,WEAK WORDS SUCH: GNOSTIC, IRRATIONAL, BIZARRE, AND SO ON!
THE FACT THAT THAT’S WHAT WE ARE, RELATED TO GOD’S MESSAGES!
FROM THE OTHER HAND, BELIEVE IT OR NOT,
I AM CONVINCED THAT ONCE THEY DO CONTRADICT ME, I AM EITHER BECOME AWARE OF MORE TRUTH,ON THE SPOT FROM ABOVE, OR EVEN DISCOVER MORE SCRIPTURES TO ASSERT MY STATEMENTS! in that moment in time I require it
I BELIEVE ALSO THAT SINCE ENGLISH IS NEITHER MY NATIVE LANGUAGE,NOR SOMETIMES OTHERS, IT IS NOT ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD THE WAY I MEANT IT TO BE SO, BUT FOR GOD’S SAKE, UNLESS YOU DO YOUR PART,AND BE MORE SPECIFIC, HOW ON EARTH THINGS WOULD BE CLARIFIED
IT IS A PITY, THAT TRUTH WOULD BE KEPT HIDDEN, SINCE EVEN THROUGH YOUR OWN CONTRADICTIONS GOD WANTS TO WORK BY REVEALING IT AND MAKING IT MORE EVIDENT, WHICH PROVES THAT SATAN IS REALLY WORKING ON HEAVEN NET, THROUGH YOUR, PERMIT MT TO SAY, with every respect:
BLUNT BEHAVIOUR!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Rebirth from above is not the completion of the plan but the new starting point.
Nick,
PERFECTLY RIGHT!
BUT TO MAKE SURE, WITH EVERY RESPECT, THAT IT IS CLEAR ENOUGH AND UNDERSTOOD,
ONCE A PERSON DECLARE JESUS CHRIST THROUGH BAPTISM,
HE WOULD NEVER BE LOST ETERNALLY! EVEN IF IT TAKES AN ENDLESS TIME!
CONFIRMED HEREUNDER:
John 10:28 And I give them life everlasting; and they shall not PERISH FOREVER , and no man shall pluck them out of my hand.
ONCE THEY BELIEVE IN HIM!!!
29 That which my Father hath given me, is greater than all:
UNIQUE ETERNAL LIFE SUBSTANCE
WITHIN ALL CREATURES, A SPECK OF “THE WORD” SLAIN FROM THEN BEGINNING OF THE WORLD. REV:13:8
AND NO ONE CAN SNATCH THEM OUT OF THE HAND OF MY FATHER :
THIS IS ALSO A REFERENCE TO HIM,SINCE HE ESTABLISHED THROUGH HIS DEATH:
HIS OWN PARTICULAR FATHER, AND HIS OWN PARTICULAR GOD in his flesh and blood:
FOR THE FATHER TO ABIDE IN HIM
ON THE LAST DAY TO BE
ALL IN ALL
JESUS GAVE THE LIFE TO ALL WHATEVER GOD THE FATHER CREATED
BY HIM
IN HIM,
AND FOR HIM!
THE FACT THAT HE EMPHATICALLY DECLARED:
30 I and the Father are one.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Carmel,
God does not need materials and his tools are his Spirit and his Word. By his word all things were made that have been made and nothing was made without it. By his Spirit miracles have been performed.
Scripture state he created the heavens and the earth and at that time the earth was covered with darkness and had no sky, sky, sun, moon, stars, plants, beast, birds, or humans. He may well have created the heavens and the angels within before he even started creating the world.
Angels are creature with bodies that God chooses to hide from the sight man more often than he chooses to reveal them. That are solid creatures that are able to wrestle humankind and are of comparable strength. They have miracles powers that allow to do many things.
The Gnostic belief that they are incorporeal is a lie.
Nick,
I see myself as a student but since many do not even seem to care what the truth is that may seem intimidating to them.
Nick,
Do you believe when a person is immersed in was by authority of Jesus Christ that the receive the promise of the Holy Spirit?
Kerwin……ANGELS DO HAVE BODIES, they even have their own food they eat. Scripture say God makes HIS ANGELS SPIRITS, AND SEND THEM OUT TO MINISTER. The spirits they have “IN” them ARE MADE BY GOD, just as all physical creation does. “FOR GOD GIVES “IT” A BODY JUST AS HE PLEASES.”
peace and love to you and yours. ………………..gene
God does not need materials and his tools are his Spirit and his Word.
Kerwin,
READ WHAT I SAID AGAIN:
God in order to abide in his own house, created by himself for his own use, established
HIS TOOLS AND MATERIAL FIRST,
Lucifer and his angels
So you agree with me that God’s FIRST EVER tool was
HIS FIRST EVER SPIRIT CREATURE LUCIFER IN ORDER TO BE ETERNALLY IN NO MATTER WHAT AND STATE,HIS OWN EVER ABODE, HOUSE, AND FROM THEN ON
GOD BECAME BOTH IN LOVE AND BEING LOVED, THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE FATHER
BOTH SPIRIT AND PHYSICAL, THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE SON WITH A BODY! AS you also agree THAT ANGELS HAVE BODIES!
BOTH IN A KIND OF STATIC AS HE WAS BEFORE,ON HIS OWN, COVERING THE ENTIRE SPACE! AND MOVING THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. Genesis 1:2!
AND in the same way ALL WITHIN THE SUBSEQUENT ENTIRE CREATURES! SINCE HE WAS THE FIRST BORN OF ALL CREATURES!
GOD’S ENTIRE VERSATILE HOUSES, as jesus said:MY FATHER HAS MANY MANSIONS
WHICH THE FIRST ANGELS THEMSELVES ESTABLISHED, THEIR OWN KIND OF MATTER BUT NON MORTAL! IF WE COULD CALL IT MATTER, SINCE MATTER IS MORTAL! THEY FORMED PLANETS AND ALL WHAT WAS IN THEM BY THE COMPRESSION OF THEIR SPIRITS,THROUGH GOD’S WISDOM!
The fact that they have bodies as much as we have BUT SO SMALL THAT NO MICROSCOPE COULD BE PRODUCED IN ORDER TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE TO BE SEEN,
NOW THE ABOVE WERE ALL CREATED THROUGH
“THE WORD” THE SON’S TRIUNE SPIRIT, GOD’S ACTUAL ABODE FROM WITHIN THEM! LIKE HE IS IN US FROM CONCEPTION
AS YOU ALSO AGREE HEREUNDER:
By his word all things were made that have been made and nothing was made without it. By his Spirit miracles have been performed.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Kerwin,
JUST REFLECT ON THESE VERSES!
God first said to Abram:
Genesis 13:16And I will make thy seed AS DUST OF THE EARTH:
Then He said:
Genesis 15:5
Look up to heaven and NUMBER THE STARS, if thou canst. And he said to him: So shall thy seed be.
Now why did God assert Abram regarding his generations, WHEN HE COMPARED IT WITH THE DUST which is massively abundant, and compressed,
had the need to further assert Abram and compared it with the stars considering the fact THAT THE STARS ARE NOT AS ABUNDANT AND COMPRESSED AS THE DUST???
If God showed him first the stars then the dust, it would have made a bit of sense, or as you like to say RATIONAL, but since it was the other way round, He didn’t mean ONLY, just how massive God’s kingdom would eventually be!
DID HE?Now Kerwin I would appreciate it if you were to give me some of your kind of RATIONAL understanding!
Before I supply you with mine IRRATIONAL!Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Nick,
My English gets that way as my thoughts go into to many direction as well as getting ahead of what I am writing.
Nick,
Do you believe when a person is immersed in was by authority of Jesus Christ that the receive the promise of the Holy Spirit?
Here is the edited version:
Do you believe that a person receives the promise of the Holy Spirit when he is immersed in water by authority of Jesus Christ?
Nick,
Angels having bodies is an observation. One event the observation is based on is when Jacob represented with an angel. That reveals the angel he wrestled with was not immaterial in nature but had a physical body to wrestle with and the body was comparative to Jacob’s as for its physical strength (Genesis 32:22-32).
Certain people spin it in order to justify explain their chosen teaching. The tenet on this matter has evolved from the Gnostic idea that the material world is flawed and therefore angels of God cannot be part of it. The bottom line is Jacob, aka Israel wrestled with a creature that looked like a man and had a physical body.
Do you believe that a person receives the promise of the Holy Spirit when he is immersed in water by authority of Jesus Christ?
Kerwin,
NOT BY AUTHORITY OF JESUS CHRIST!
BUT BY THE POWER OF JESUS CHRIST WHICH HE ACQUIRED FROM AND THROUGH THE DEATH OF JESUS’BODY!
SINCE:
BOTH JESUS CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT BECAME:
ONE INTEGRATED MOST POWERFUL SPIRIT, AFTER JESUS RESURRECTION!
THE FACT THAT HE HIMSELF GAVE THEM THE HOLY SPIRIT WHEN HE ENTERED THROUGH WALLS!
BUT AFTER PENTECOST, ONCE JESUS WENT TO HIS FATHER, THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS IN A POSITION TO BE USED IN BAPTISM!
MENTIONED BY JESUS IN:
John14:2 In my Father’s house there are many mansions. If not, I would have told you: because I go to prepare a place for you.
WHEN HE WENT TO THE FATHER
3And if I shall go, and prepare a place for you,
HIS PRESENCE WITH THE FATHER
I will come again,
THROUGH THE THE HOLY SPIRIT THE FACT THAT HE WAS ALREADY GIVEN THEM THE HOLY SPIRIT,
BUT NOT YET FROM THE FATHER’S SIDE, GLORIFIED IN JESUS CHRIST!
AS PROOF THAT WHEN JESUS HE GAVE THEM THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND ENTERED THROUGH WALLS, IT WAS NOT BECAUSE THE FATHER WAS IN HIM!
BUT BECAUSE HE WAS IN THE TRUTH:
THE ONLY TRUE GOD,AND JESUS CHRIST
WHO WALKED ON EARTH! FOR THE GLORY OF THE FATHER!
and will take you to myself; OBVIOUS, SINCE THEY ALSO POSSESSED THE FATHER’S POWER! AS JESUS CHRIST!
that where I am, you also may be. OBVIOUS AGAIN, AN EMPHASIS,
IN THE POWER OF THE FATHER ON EARTH, AND ALSO REPLACED JESUS CHRIST PRESENCE AS:
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST
THROUGH THEM
THE FACT THAT THE FATHER AND CHRIST ARE ONE!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Gene,
Hebrews 1:14 uses a synecdoche, which is a figure of speech in which a part is made to represent the whole or the whole is made to represent the part. Other times in Scripture this figure of speech is used is when human beings are called souls or flesh.
Nick and others know this but they have been indoctrinated to believe in teaching that have evolved from the Gnostic tenet that that the material is corrupt and the immaterial is not and that conditioning interferes with their ability to see the passage from Hebrews 1:14 can be interpreted more than one way.
The correct understanding is that the spirit of Hebrews 1:14 is teaching believers that angels are servants and not what their bodies are composed of.
Carmel,
All I know is that the phrase in the name of the law mean by the authority of the law and acts teaches us believers were immersed in water in the name of Jesus. The Eleven were given the authority to immerse and they passed it on to others by the laying of hands.
There is power involved but that comes from God via the Holy Spirit. Paul also speaks of receiving the Holy Spirit in its role of Councillor as if it were a miracle so power may also be involved there.
The Holy Spirit is not Jesus as he called it another advocate with him being the first advocate.
There is power involved but that comes from God via the Holy Spirit. Paul also speaks of receiving the Holy Spirit in its role of Councillor as if it were a miracle so power may also be involved there.
Kerwin,
Read again with MORE clarity:
Do you believe that a person receives the promise of the Holy Spirit FROM THE FATHER, IN THE POWER OF JESUS,
THE FACT THAT BEFORE IMMERSION THEY MUST SAY: IN THE NAME OF JESUS?
THE ANSWER OBVIOUS: YES!
BUT BE AWARE, not in the name Jesus Christ, but in the name of Jesus, since it is from the Father!
DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE FATHER IS NOT YET IN THAT PARTICULAR GLORY!
SO THE FACT THAT THEY DO SO,ONLY BECAUSE JESUS CHRIST IS
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST
FOR THE GLORY OF THE FATHER, in order to make it possible for the Father to sent His Holy Spirit, ONCE JESUS JOINED HIM ON HIS RIGHT HAND AND INHERITED ALL GOD’S OWN ATTRIBUTES, INCLUDING THE TITLE OF GOD!
SINCE THE FATHER IS NOT YET DIRECTLY IN THAT PARTICULAR GLORY,
JESUS’ GLORIFIED BODY!!!!!!!!!!!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Carmel,
I already stated that “in the name of” means by the authority of and if you are attempting to claim that authority is backed up by power just like the law of the land is backed up by the power of the government then I agree.
You can say immerse them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost or you can say immerse them in the name of Jesus and all it is, is two different ways to say the same thing as the authority is the same as it the power that supports that authority.
Jesus is not the only true God as he has the same God his brothers do. He is the King that God chose to put over all things in heaven and on earth. His humanity qualifies him as the mediator between God and man just like it is written in Hebrews.
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