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Proclaimer and all. ….Jodi and I are telling you the truth, if you can come to understand the real Jesus, that he was a real human being, who came into his “only” existence when he was born on this earth, if you can understand this, the scales will fall from your eyes that Satan has put there, and you will begin to see clearly, and God the Father will bless you, when you begin to Honor and Glorify Him “as the “only” true God”, and see clearly that Jesus is the mediator between God and Men, why because he is, the “MAN” Jesus.
Humanity is God the Fathers “crown jewel ” of achievement, and His perfection of “Mankind”, is the “man” Jesus, not because he had a past prexisting life, but because he was and is “exactly like us in every way” and yet without sin, which demonstrates how God the Father can “perfect” us all, just lIke he did Jesus. He is the exact example of what we can achieve, by having a relationship with the Father exactly as Jesus did and does.
Atributing all kinds of advantages to Jesus he did not have only serves to “seperate ” him from yourself, and that is exactly what Satan want you to do.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Hi Gene,
“Humanity is God the Fathers “crown jewel ” of achievement, and His perfection of “Mankind”, is the “man” Jesus, not because he had a past prexisting life, but because he was and is “exactly like us in every way” and yet without sin, which demonstrates how God the Father can “perfect” us all, just lIke he did Jesus. He is the exact example of what we can achieve, by having a relationship with the Father exactly as Jesus did and does.”
Amen brother!
Hi Jodi,
YOU: “Humanity is God the Fathers “crown jewel ” of achievement,
ME; NOT QUITE THE TRUTH Jodi! READ:
John1:1 IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him:
and without him was made nothing that was made.
4In him was life,
and the life was the light of men.
YOU: and His perfection of “Mankind”, is the “man” Jesus,
ME: Jodi, NOT QUITE THE TRUTH! READ:
John4:34Jesus saith to them: My meat is to do the will of him that sent me,
that I may perfect his work.
Jodi, IN THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE
JESUS PERFECTED
GOD’S WORK.
YOU: not because he had a past prexisting life,
ME: Jodi, NOT QUITE THE TRUTH. READ:
John6:62 But Jesus, knowing in himself, that his disciples murmured at this, said to them:
Doth this scandalize you?
62If then you shall see
the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63It is the spirit that quickeneth:
the flesh profiteth nothing.
Jodi, THE SPIRIT GIVES LIFE TO ALL GOD’S WORK.
IT IS THE FACT THAT JESUS WAS A SPIRIT,
THAT HE BECAME FLESH,
NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND. JODI,
AT ONE STAGE, YOU WERE A SPIRIT,
THEN REBELLED, AND GOD TRANSFORMED YOU INTO FLESH, SIMPLY TO RETURN BACK INTO SPIRIT, PLUS THAT GOD WILL GIVE YOU ALSO
YOUR PERFECT FLESH,
WHICH JESUS PERFECTED BY HIS OWN BLOOD John4:34 ABOVE!
JERUSALEM, THE BRIDE, ON THE WEDDING OF THE LAMB.
THE FACT THAT JESUS IS
BOTH THE BRIDEGROOM AND THE BRIDE! CONFIRMED:
John 3:29He that hath the bride, is the bridegroom:…
YOU: but because he was and is “exactly like us in every way” and yet without sin,
ME: NOT QUITE THE TRUTH!
JESUS WAS NOT ONE OF US,
BUT LIKE US AND NOT IN EVERY WAY.
YOU: which demonstrates how God the Father can “perfect” us all, just lIke he did Jesus.
NOT QUITE THE TRUTH. READ.
Hebrews 10:10 In the which will,
we are sanctified
by the oblation of
the body of Jesus Christ once.
10:14 For by one oblation
he hath perfected forever
them that are sanctified.
Colossians 1:19 Because in him,
it hath well pleased the Father,
that all fullness should dwell;
20And through him
to reconcile all things unto himself,
making peace through the blood of his cross, both as to the things that are on earth, and the things that are in heaven.
21And you, whereas you were some time alienated and enemies in mind in evil works:
22Yet now he hath reconciled in the body of his flesh through death,
to present you
holy and unspotted, and blameless before him:
YOU: He is the exact example of what we can achieve,
Jody, NOT QUITE THE TRUTH. READ:
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you are saved through faith,
and that not of yourselves,
for it is the gift of God;
John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you.
As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abide in the vine,
so neither can you, unless you abide in me. (SPIRITUALLY)
5I am the vine; you the branches: he that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit:
for without me (“THE WORD” THE SON OF MAN, JESUS’ SPIRIT) you can do nothing.
6If anyone abide not in me,
he shall be cast forth as a branch, and shall wither, and they shall gather him up,
and cast him into the fire, and
he burneth.
YOU: by having a relationship with the Father exactly as Jesus did and does.”
Jodi, NOT QUITE THE TRUTH!
WE HUMANS OF EARTH NEVER, NEVER, and NEVER HAVE ANY RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FATHER DIRECTLY!
I REPEAT: WE ARE NOT OF HEAVEN, BUT OF EX SATANIC EARTH CURSED!
John 8:23 And he said to them:
You are from beneath,(HELL)
I am from above.
You are of this world, (SATAN’S)
I am not of this world.
THE ONLY RELATIONSHIP WE CAN HAVE WITH THE FATHER IS
THROUGH JESUS, THE SON OF MAN,
NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND! LIKE YOU AND GENE BELIEVE!
WE ARE NOTHING WITHOUT JESUS!
NO JESUS NO FATHER.
HE IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE.
John14:6 Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life.
No man cometh to the Father, but by me.
WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT
JESUS IS THE UNIQUE GENUINE SUBSTANCE OF THE FATHER, HEBREWS 1:3
BY WHICH SUBSTANCE GOD THE FATHER IS OUR SAVIOUR!
WHO WAS GIVEN BY THE FATHER
AS A RANSOM.
FOR OUR SAKE!
NOW READ AND ACCEPT THE TRUTH FOR A CHANGE:
Micah 6:7…. shall I give my firstborn for my wickedness,
the fruit of my body
for the sin of my soul?
John 11:25 Jesus said to her: I am the resurrection and the life:
(FIRST AND FOREMOST) he that believeth in me, although he be dead, shall live:
(THE FATHER IS NOT MENTIONED REGARDING REDEMPTION, THE FATHER COULD DO NOTHING
ALL BY HIMSELF.)
John 12:44But Jesus cried, and said:
He that believeth in me,
doth not believe in me,(ONLY) but (ALSO)
in him that sent me.
45And he that seeth me, (HE ALSO)
seeth him that sent me.
46I am come a light into the world;
that whosoever believeth in me,
(NOT IN THE FATHER, THE FATHER IGNORES US, UNLESS THROUGH JESUS)
may not remain in darkness.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Yes / No
Why is it that some people cannot answer a simple yes or no to a fair question? Matthew 5:37 gives us the answer:
All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one
One way we know that a person’s answer is from the evil one is when they cannot answer a simple and fair yes or no question. They do this because light has come into the world and they want to hide the true answer that they have in their heart because they know it is either condemning or they do not know the answer and cannot admit that. How do we know this? Because they would otherwise boldly state yes or no when defending their teaching. By the way. saying that you do not know is a good and acceptable answer because it takes humility and honesty to admit this and it means you are ready to learn.
Simply put, avoiding saying yes or no shows that a person has no faith in their own answer because they know they could get trapped by such simple but powerful questions. Here is the thing though. If they were honest they would welcome this, because the end result would be a win for the truth, and in turn people can change when they subject themselves to this kind of scrutiny. But they obviously do not want to change. So they try appear as righteous and knowledgeable by hiding the devil in the details with bloated answers because the truth matters less to them compared to their own reputation.
It a bit like a meal that tastes bad. To hide the taste you can use lots of sauce. It is sad but true that people engage in this practice. But at least we are aware of the reason this is done. As such, a person by default loses the debate when they cannot answer yes or not to a fair and simple yes or no question.
What is the problem with believing that Jesus Christ is now in the glory that he had with the Father before the world existed?
Surely it would be Satan who wants to deceive people about this.
Lets hear all the excuses under the sun.
Indeed have heard all manner of excuses haven’t we?
On Judgement Day would a man fair better by ignoring God or specifically fighting against him?
A question for some to ask themselves.
Proclaimer
You
Yes / No
Why is it that some people cannot answer a simple yes or no to a fair question? Matthew 5:37 gives us the answer:All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one
One way we know that a person’s answer is from the evil one is when they cannot answer a simple and fair yes or no question…..
Me
THIS IS the TRUTH
God bless
Proclaimer. ….what you do not seem to understand, the “problem” with that is , that belife moves Jesus away from his human root, it is just another of “lie” Designed by Satan, to make people think Jesus is “different” the his human brothers and sisters. If you add that lie with so many others out there, like Jesus is GOD, Jesus was “alive” before Abraham, the whole world was created by Jesus , Jesus was God in the flesh, Jesus is part of the trinity, you then have created a Jesus completely different than we are.
Were you the Word that became flesh?
Did God create all things through you and for you?
Will you upon death be in the glory you had with the Father before the cosmos?
Scripture says these about Jesus Christ. So he is already different.
He emptied himself and became a man. Was born as an innocent child and had to learn like us.
So the human root is not removed as you suggest. He came in the flesh.
This is written so it is true.
Gene, your words come from your own spirit.
Proclaimer wrote:
Yes / No
Why is it that some people cannot answer a simple yes or no to a fair question? Matthew 5:37 gives us the answer:All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one
One way we know that a person’s answer is from the evil one is when they cannot answer a simple and fair yes or no question…..
Berean wrote:
THIS IS the TRUTHGod bless
For the record…
…I agree as well
Proclaimer:
Were you the Word that became flesh?
Did God create all things through you and for you?
Will you upon death be in the glory you had with the Father before the cosmos?
Scripture says these about Jesus Christ. So he is already different.
He emptied himself and became a man. Was born as an innocent child and had to learn like us.
So the human root is not removed as you suggest. He came in the flesh.
This is written so it is true.
Jodi:
Were you the Word that became flesh? – of course Gene doesn’t think he was the Word of God from Isaiah 11, 42, 45, and 61 made true in him, he knows that it was made true in the son of Jesse, Jesus of Nazareth. God’s WORD made true just exactly as He had promised, a son of Jesse, a man of flesh, left the river Jordan having been filled with the Spirit and CAME to the people being SENT TO PREACH by the Spirit he had been begotten with without limit, where the people then beheld his glory as he was full of grace and TRUTH.
Did God create all things through you and for you? – Gene knows that God had created all things knowing that ONE MAN would execute His purpose and that this ONE MAN would receive dominion over all the works that God had made ALONE, by HIMSELF. God created all things ALONE FOR the one who would inherit all things and be a King of kings and a Lord of lords over it all, the Son of Man who He would exalt to His right hand.
Will you upon death be in the glory you had with the Father before the cosmos? Yes, Gene is a joint heir with Jesus. God had PROMISED the GLORY of Eternal life before the world was, a body of glory, power, made incorruptible with God’s Spirit upon it causing it to walk in all of God’s ways, humans made in God’s own image. Gene as well as others were FOREKNOWN by God PRE-DESTINED by God to be conformed to the image of His Son, that His Son would be a firstborn “among many BRETHREN”. Gene knows as well that this Son of Man who is God’s Son according to the Spirit by his resurrection from the dead where he had received that Spirit according to a promise, has the honor to return to earth in the glory of the Father and reward every man for his works, giving eternal life to those who the Father has given Him, who were predestined foreknown by God from the beginning.
Scripture says these about Jesus Christ. So he is already different. – Jesus Christos – who was Chrio at the river Jordan was sent as THE PROMISED CHRISTOS from The Word of God given by Isaiah. This particular Christos is most certainly different, he was the only mortal man to have received the Spirit not by measure, the only man called to righteousness having God direct all his ways, holding his hand and keeping him for to be a LIGHT, for to fulfill God’s covenant, the promise of Eternal Life, THE WORD from the beginning that was WITH God and IS GOD for God’s Spirit is LIFE because it causes righteousness.
He emptied himself and became a man. Was born as an innocent child and had to learn like us. – Yes he was born a child who grew up in wisdom having God’s mercy upon him.
You said “he emptied himself and became a man” but this is not NOT scripture Proclaimer, it’s your own spirit giving a most dreadful misinterpretation changing the image of Christ into a false image. When Jesus was anointed with the Spirit NOT WITHOUT MEASURE he was in the form of God. Jesus even preached that hearing him and seeing his work we were seeing NOT him, but we were seeing God. Jesus the anointed at the river Jordan was IN THE FORM of God having God’s Spirit upon him SENT TO SPEAK God’s WORD’s and do God’s WORK. That is Jesus Christ being in the FORM of GOD. You are likewise told, “For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For he received from God the Father honor and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” The coming of our Lord Jesus Christ is not a son of God coming down from heaven to be a baby that had to learn like us. The coming of our Lord Jesus Christ was upon God begetting him of His Spirit, an ANOINTING giving him the glory that God had promised to no other and then sending him out into the world.
THIS Jesus Christ being in the FORM of God having God’s Spirit without measure he saw himself as equal to God, but he did not use the powers of the Spirit for his own will. He was made like his brethren though he had the powers of the Spirit he could still be tempted. He humbled himself never using God’s powers for himself. He humbled himself when he went to the cross taking a punishment of death that he did not deserve. Going to the cross he found himself in the fashion of a man as he was numbered alongside transgressors, where he who knew no sin God made him to be sin for us.
So the human root is not removed as you suggest. He came in the flesh. –yes our Christ came in the flesh EXACTLY according to The Word spoken by Isaiah, Jesse’s son, a man of flesh and blood was ANOINTED with the Spirit-chrio made into a Christos and then was sent out into the world.
This is written so it is true.- yes that which is written in scripture is true, not cunningly devised fables like Proclaimer and others teach, saying that the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ is him pre-existing coming to earth being sent to be made flesh.
Acts 13:23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: 24 When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
Our savior came according to a PROMISE, according to THE WORD, where a man of flesh was promised to be anointed and sent TO save through preaching and setting us at liberty from our sins.
The Word was made true in the flesh of Jesus of Nazareth, and the people beheld his glory, as he was in the FORM of God filled with God’s grace and truth. They beheld his glory as the one from The Word written by Isaiah, God would not give his glory to any other among the people whom He had created, only this son of Jesse would be a mortal of flesh begotten of the Spirit without limit sent to fulfill all of God’s purpose for creating all things by Himself in the first place.
Jodi
You sweep away with your hand the texts which support the pre-existence and the divinity of the Son of God …
This has been demonstrated many times on this forum by many participants … but you ignore it.When a person strongly resists truth, God hands them over to a lie. At this point, they scream they are telling the truth, but the light exposes them.
Proclaimer. …..“if therefore that light in you be darkness, how great is that darkness?” and again, “take heed therefore, that the light which is in you be not darkness”, You need to be more worried about that, then going around accusing me of things. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Preexistence of the Son of GOD
Daniel 10
And in the four and twentieth day of the first month, as I was by the side of the great river, which is Hiddekel;
[5] Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz:
[6] His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitudeChrist appears to Daniel.
A personage who was none other than the Son of God appeared to Daniel. This description is similar to the one John presents when Christ reveals himself to him on the island of Patmos. Now our Lord comes with another heavenly message to show Daniel what is to happen in the last days. This knowledge was given to Daniel and it was recorded by Inspiration for us who have reached the end of time (RH 8/2/1881).
Interesting to note that the Angel of the Lord makes a lot of appearances in the Old Testament, but not the New Testament. Instead, the NT is about Jesus Christ as a man and as the glorified Son of God. This ties in well if they are the same.
Yes Christ is a mystery, but like all mysteries, it’s not handed to us on a plate. We need to study the scriptures.
Hi Jodi,
YOU:What was God’s purpose from the beginning but to make man into His own image, and
Jesus is that man who shed his blood and was raised having received the promised Holy Spirit, was begotten by God, and received the mercies promised unto his father David.
ME: Scripture
Geneis 1:2626And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness: and let him have dominion over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and the beasts, and the whole earth, and every creeping creature that moveth upon the earth. 27And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them. 28And God blessed them, saying: Increase and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and all living creatures that move upon the earth
Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the slime of the earth: and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul.
Genesis 5:1This is the book of the generation of Adam. In the day that God created man, he made him to the likeness of God.
Jodi the above scriptures emphatically declare that
ADAM WAS MADE IN THE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF GOD NOT JESUS!
Jodi, PRODUCE SCRIPTURE WHICH CLEARLY
DECLARES YOUR PREACHING!
AS MUCH AS THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE CLEARY DECLARES THAT ADAM WAS THE MAN WHO WAS MADE IN THE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF GOD.
Jodi IF YOU DON’T PRODUCE THIS SCRIPTURE, THERE IS ONLY
ONE TITLE WHICH IS MOST SUITABLE FOR YOU, AND THAT IS
THE TITLE OF A LIAR!
NOW LET’S READ Philippians 2:5-11
5For let this mind be in you,
which was also in Christ Jesus:(BEFORE THE WORLD WAS)
6Who being in the form of God,(THE EMBODIMENT OF GOD)
thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7But emptied himself,
taking the form of a servant,
being made in the likeness of men,
and in habit found as a man.
Jodi,
THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE CONFIRMS THAT
JESUS WAS MADE IN THE LIKENESS OF MAN, NOT
IN THE LIKENESS OF GOD!
WHAT SHALL I DO AGAIN Jodi, NO, I WON’T
I MIGHT AS WELL CALL YOU
A LIAR! With every respect!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
though he was rich,….
W
ME: What I know is that Jesus wanted us to know that he could do nothing of himself, and that as a son of a human he was going to return in His Father’s glory.
No sweat Jodi. He emptied himself. He was born like us. Learned like us. Grew up like us. He came in the flesh. He came here as one of us, a man. Simple. He came from Heaven and now he is back in Heaven. He relied completely on his Father and he even learned obedience. And we should be like that too. I love it that he became one of us so that he could be the new Adam in whom we have life.
For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.
Jesus
For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.
My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
Jodi
Jesus did not come down from Heaven at all because he didn’t exist (ego eimi).
Hear me. I have the truth.
Me
You do realize Jodi that the only people that will listen to your contrary words are those with wayward hearts. A true servant of Jesus Christ hears his voice and not the voice of another. What is the point in leading servants of God astray with teachings and doctrines that Jesus himself never espoused. But know this. God allows false teachers so that those who do not want to hear will be led astray. This happens, because they didn’t love the truth.
Paul
and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them. For this reason God will send them a powerful delusion so that they believe the lie,
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