Preexistence

[Jodi]

Hello All,

WHO Is God’s only begotten Son? 

A pre-existing begotten son who was sent to earth by God’s will and not his own, for to be a man to save us from our sins?

or

Jesus of Nazareth who received God’s Spirit and the powers thereof in full measure, called an ANOINTING, and THEN was sent for the purpose TO preach God’s word, TO preach of God’s coming kingdom, TO set us at liberty, paying the penalty for our sins?

Scripture speaks of God’s sons, yes plural. In the OT all of Israel is called God’s son, and we read that God calls Solomon His son, and likewise Adam is said to be God’s son.

Jesus Christ is called not just God’s Son, but a Son of God whom is God’s “only begotten”. So there are Sons of God, but yet Jesus is said to be a Son who is called the “only begotten”.

God’s son Solomon received God’s Spirit of wisdom and understanding, and as well God gave him a largeness of heart. God’s Son Jesus was the ONLY mortal man to have received the full measure of the Spirit, not just wisdom and understanding, but council and might, knowledge and fear of the LORD.    

Luke 3:21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, 22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. 23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, …. which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Jesus in this lineage is connected all the way to Adam which Adam is said to be the son of God. Just prior we read that upon the Spirit descending upon Jesus, God declares him to be His Son. 

Adam is a son of God, Solomon is a son of God, Jesus is declared a son of God upon the Spirit descending upon him. Knowing that he is the only mortal human to have received God’s Spirit not by measure, such equates Jesus to be not just God’s son, but God’s ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, ONLY as referring to the only son of God having God dwell all in him through God’s Spirit in full measure, and thus BEGOTTEN refers to that which he was begotten with, the full measure.

In Luke 3 Jesus is linked to Adam and Adam is the son of God.

Let’s apply Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times BEFORE appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 For as much then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. 32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.

Scripture tells us that the man who is to judge the world does so through God’s Spirit, where the man does not judge according to his own eyes and ears. We also know that upon the Spirit descending upon Jesus like a dove, an anointing, he is sent out TO preach the gospel of God, declare God’s kingdom, and TO set us free from our sins. We are also directly told that God’s WORD from the beginning was of a man who would execute God’s purpose, let’s NOT FORGET THAT!!!!

There are 4 passages that call JESUS “the only begotten Son” 

Is Jesus called God’s only begotten Son because he pre-existed as an only begotten Son but then emptied himself when God sent him to earth?

John 1: 18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

 “Only begotten Son”  in John 1:18, has nothing to do with pre-existing as an only begotten Son, it has everything to do with Jesus of Nazareth who received of God’s Spirit for the purpose to be SENT TO declare God. 

John 3: 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Deut 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

How is it that this prophet is able to speak God’s word? How is it that the “only begotten Son” in John 3 is able to speak God’s word? We are told exactly how in John 3. 

John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 

The truth could not be more clear, the one who was SENT was Jesus of Nazareth upon him being begotten by God’s Spirit without measure. Everything that Jesus does through that Spirit is everything that the “only begotten son” is being declared as also doing, they are one and the same, by reason of God’s Spirit.  There is NO “only begotten Son” as a spirit son sent to earth having emptied himself for to die for our sins, Jesus goes to the cross because God gave him of His Spirit not by measure specifically to be sent out to set us at liberty. 

The glory of Jesus is that anointing of the Spirit he received at the river Jordan, through that Spirit God puts all things into Jesus’s hands with God directing all his ways so that he would fulfill God’s determined purpose.

1 John 4: 9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

We live through him, and him is Jesus who was SENT TO set us at liberty. Him that we have life through is the Son of Man that was sent to save that which was lost, he is the only mortal man to have been begotten by God without measure TO deliver captives, to speak to us God’s word, and it is that word that Jesus speaks that Jesus says, “they are spirit, and they are LIFE.”

NONE of the passages that speak of God’s “only begotten son” equate to a pre-existing son being sent to earth emptying himself. THEY ALL EQUATE PRECISELY TO Jesus of Nazareth, the ONLY mortal man to have been begotten by God’s Spirit without measure who upon that anointing was SENT out into the world. 

[Jodi]

Hi t8,

The Son of Man ascending to where he was before is speaking of his resurrection. He was on earth, he died and was RAISED UP on earth again, where the people witnessed that he had ascended, where he was of  the very glory that God had promised unto mankind before the world was.

The bread from heaven Jesus says is HIS FLESH, and that flesh is God’s word from the prophet Isaiah made true, where God’s Spirit descended upon flesh in full measure. This anointed flesh was THEN SENT out into the world, being sent directly from GOD/from heaven to fullfill all of God’s will.

The Son of Man Jesus, asked for the glory that was OF (para) God before the world began. God’s word before the world began was eternal life for mankind, which is exactly what Jesus received upon being raised from the dead, being made into a firstborn of many brethren. This Son of Man returns in his Father’s glory we are told, with all his angels where he will judge the world because he is that human God ordained, he is that human who God had purposed from the beginning to execute God’s will.

[Berean]

HI TO ALL

PSALMS 24:

VERSE 7 to 10:    ENTRY OF JESUS CHRIST THROUGH THE GATES OF THE HOLY CITY OF GOD

Hebrew Transliterated
24:1 LDVD MZMVUr LYHVH H’aUrTSh VMLV’aH ThBL VYShBY BH.
Darby’s English Translation
24:1 {Of David. A Psalm.} The earth is Jehovah`s, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.

Hebrew Transliterated
24:2 KY-HV’a ‘yL-YMYM YSDH V’yL-NHUrVTh YKVNNH.
Darby’s English Translation
24:2 For it was he that founded it upon seas, and established it upon floods.

Hebrew Transliterated
24:3 MY-Y’yLH BHUr-YHVH VMY-YQVM BMQVM QDShV.
Darby’s English Translation
24:3 Who shall ascend into the mount of Jehovah? and who shall stand in his holy place?

Hebrew Transliterated
24:4 NQY KPhYM VBUr-LBB ‘aShUr L’a-NSh’a LShV’a NPhShY VL’a NShB’y LMUrMH.
Darby’s English Translation
24:4 He that hath blameless hands and a pure heart; who lifteth not up his soul unto vanity, nor sweareth deceitfully:

Hebrew Transliterated
24:5 YSh’a BUrKH M’aTh YHVH VTShDQH M’aLHY YSh’yV.
Darby’s English Translation
24:5 He shall receive blessing from Jehovah, and righteousness from the God of his salvation.

Hebrew Transliterated
24:6 ZH DVUr DUrShV MBQShY PhNYK Y’yQB SLH.
Darby’s English Translation
24:6 This is the generation of them that seek unto him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah.

Hebrew Transliterated
24:7 Sh’aV Sh’yUrYM Ur’aShYKM VHNSh’aV PhThChY ‘yVLM VYBV’a MLK HKBVD.
Darby’s English Translation
24:7 Lift up your heads, ye gates, and be ye lifted up, ye everlasting doors, and the King of glory shall come in.

Hebrew Transliterated
24:8 MY ZH MLK HKBVD YHVH ‘yZVZ VGBVUr YHVH GBVUr MLChMH.
Darby’s English Translation
24:8 Who is this King of glory? Jehovah strong and mighty, Jehovah mighty in battle.

Hebrew Transliterated
24:9 Sh’aV Sh’yUrYM Ur’aShYKM VSh’aV PhThChY ‘yVLM VYB’a MLK HKBVD.
Darby’s English Translation
24:9 Lift up your heads, ye gates; yea, lift up, ye everlasting doors, and the King of glory shall come in.

Hebrew Transliterated
24:10 MY HV’a ZH MLK HKBVD YHVH TShB’aVTh HV’a MLK HKBVD SLH.
Darby’s English Translation
24:10 Who is he, this King of glory? Jehovah of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.

THIS KING OF GLORY IS JESUS CHRIST PROPHETISED

CONTEXT/COMMENTARY

Christ had ascended to heaven in the form of humanity. The
disciples had beheld the cloud receive Him. The same Jesus who
had walked and talked and prayed with them; who had broken bread
with them; who had been with them in their boats on the lake; and
who had that very day toiled with them up the ascent of Olivet,—the
same Jesus had now gone to share His Father’s throne. And the
angels had assured them that the very One whom they had seen go
up into heaven, would come again even as He had ascended. He
will come “with clouds; and every eye shall see Him.” “The Lord
Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of
the Archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ
shall rise.” “The Son of man shall come in His glory, and all the holy
angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory.”
Revelation 1:7; 1 Thessalonians 4:16; Matthew 25:31. Thus will
be fulfilled the Lord’s own promise to His disciples: “If I go and
prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto
Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.” John 14:3. Well
might the disciples rejoice in the hope of their Lord’s return.
When the disciples went back to Jerusalem, the people looked
upon them with amazement. After the trial and crucifixion of Christ,
it had been thought that they would appear downcast and ashamed.
Their enemies expected to see upon their faces an expression of
sorrow and defeat. Instead of this there was only gladness and
triumph. Their faces were aglow with a happiness not born of earth.
They did not mourn over disappointed hopes, but were full of praise
and thanksgiving to God. With rejoicing they told the wonderful
story of Christ’s resurrection and His ascension to heaven, and their
testimony was received by many.
[833] The disciples no longer had any distrust of the future. They knew
that Jesus was in heaven, and that His sympathies were with them
still. They knew that they had a friend at the throne of God, and
they were eager to present their requests to the Father in the name of
Jesus. In solemn awe they bowed in prayer, repeating the assurance,
“Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in My name, He will give it
you. Hitherto have ye asked nothing in My name: ask, and ye shall
receive, that your joy may be full.” John 16:23, 24. They extended
the hand of faith higher and higher, with the mighty argument, “It
is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the
right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.” Romans
8:34. And Pentecost brought them fullness of joy in the presence of
the Comforter, even as Christ had promised.
All heaven was waiting to welcome the Saviour to the celestial
courts. As He ascended, He led the way, and the multitude of
captives set free at His resurrection followed. The heavenly host,
with shouts and acclamations of praise and celestial song, attended
the joyous train.
As they drew near to the city of God, the challenge is given by
the escorting angels,—
“Lift up your heads, O ye gates;
And be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors;
And the King of glory shall come in.”
Joyfully the waiting sentinels respond,—
“Who is this King of glory?”
“To My Father, and Your Father”
This they say, not because they know not who He is, but because
they would hear the answer of exalted praise,—
“The Lord strong and mighty,
The Lord mighty in battle!
Lift up your heads, O ye gates;
Even lift them up, ye everlasting doors;
And the King of glory shall come in.”
Again is heard the challenge, “Who is this King of glory?” for
the angels never weary of hearing His name exalted. The escorting
angels make reply,—
“The Lord of hosts;
He is the King of glory.” Psalm 24:7-10.
Then the portals of the city of God are opened wide, and the
angelic throng sweep through the gates amid a burst of rapturous
music.
There is the throne, and around it the rainbow of promise. There
are cherubim and seraphim. The commanders of the angel hosts,
the sons of God, the representatives of the unfallen worlds, are
assembled. The heavenly council before which Lucifer had accused
God and His Son, the representatives of those sinless realms over
which Satan had thought to establish his dominion,—all are there
to welcome the Redeemer. They are eager to celebrate His triumph
and to glorify their King.
But He waves them back. Not yet; He cannot now receive the
coronet of glory and the royal robe. He enters into the presence of
His Father. He points to His wounded head, the pierced side, the
marred feet; He lifts His hands, bearing the print of nails. He points
to the tokens of His triumph; He presents to God the wave sheaf,
those raised with Him as representatives of that great multitude
who shall come forth from the grave at His second coming. He
approaches the Father, with whom there is joy over one sinner that
repents; who rejoices over one with singing. Before the foundations
of the earth were laid, the Father and the Son had united in a covenant
to redeem man if he should be overcome by Satan. They had clasped
730 The Desire of Ages
Their hands in a solemn pledge that Christ should become the surety
for the human race. This pledge Christ has fulfilled. When upon the
cross He cried out, “It is finished,” He addressed the Father. The
compact had been fully carried out. Now He declares: Father, it is
finished. I have done Thy will, O My God. I have completed the
work of redemption. If Thy justice is satisfied, “I will that they also,
whom Thou hast given Me, be with Me where I am.” John 19:30;
17:24.
The voice of God is heard proclaiming that justice is satisfied.
Satan is vanquished. Christ’s toiling, struggling ones on earth are
“accepted in the Beloved.” Ephesians 1:6. Before the heavenly
angels and the representatives of unfallen worlds, they are declared
justified. Where He is, there His church shall be. “Mercy and truth
are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other.”
Psalm 85:10. The Father’s arms encircle His Son, and the word is
given, “Let all the angels of God worship Him.” Hebrews 1:6.
With joy unutterable, rulers and principalities and powers acknowledge the supremacy of the Prince of life. The angel host
prostrate themselves before Him, while the glad shout fills all the
courts of heaven, “Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive
power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honor, and glory,
and blessing.” Revelation 5:12.
[835] Songs of triumph mingle with the music from angel harps, till
heaven seems to overflow with joy and praise. Love has conquered.
The lost is found. Heaven rings with voices in lofty strains proclaiming, “Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be unto Him
that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb forever and ever.”
Revelation 5:13.
* * * * *
From that scene of heavenly joy, there comes back to us on earth
the echo of Christ’s own wonderful words, “I ascend unto My Father,
and your Father; and to My God, and your God.” John 20:17. The
family of heaven and the family of earth are one. For us our Lord
ascended, and for us He lives. “Wherefore He is able also to save
them to the uttermost that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever
liveth to make intercession for them.” Hebrews 7:25.

[Jodi]

Hi t8,

The Son of Man ascending to where he was before is speaking of his resurrection. He was on earth, he died and was RAISED UP on earth again, where the people witnessed that he had ascended, where he was of  the very glory that God had promised unto mankind before the world was.

The bread from heaven Jesus says is HIS FLESH, and that flesh is God’s word from the prophet Isaiah made true, where God’s Spirit descended upon flesh in full measure. This anointed flesh was THEN SENT out into the world, being sent directly from GOD/from heaven to fullfill all of God’s will.

The Son of Man Jesus, asked for the glory that was OF (para) God before the world began. God’s word before the world began was eternal life for mankind, which is exactly what Jesus received upon being raised from the dead, being made into a firstborn of many brethren. This Son of Man returns in his Father’s glory we are told, with all his angels where he will judge the world because he is that human God ordained, he is that human who God had purposed from the beginning to execute God’s will.

[Jodi]

I had submitted the below post,  and it was there, but yet again when I went to edit it, the entire post got erased once I submitted the edit. Then when attempting to post it again it wouldn’t as it said it was a duplicate.

Hi t8,

The Son of Man ascending to where he was before is speaking of his resurrection. He was on earth, he died and was RAISED UP on earth again, where the people witnessed that he had ascended, where he was of  the very glory that God had promised unto mankind before the world was.

The bread from heaven Jesus says is HIS FLESH, and that flesh is God’s word from the prophet Isaiah made true, where God’s Spirit descended upon flesh in full measure. This anointed flesh was THEN SENT out into the world, being sent directly from GOD/from heaven to fullfill all of God’s will.

The Son of Man Jesus, asked for the glory that was OF (para) God before the world began. God’s word before the world began was eternal life for mankind, which is exactly what Jesus received upon being raised from the dead, being made into a firstborn of many brethren. This Son of Man returns in his Father’s glory we are told, with all his angels where he will judge the world because he is that human God ordained, he is that human who God had purposed from the beginning to execute God’s will.

[Admin]

Hi Jodi.

As you can see, I unspammed your two posts.

First off, the second one is a repeat of the first one, so it is considered spam.

The second post is fine of course, except that it may be a clone of an older post you have made.

Posting the same old stuff over and over is considered spam.

My suggestion is to use the forum like a conversation because every answer will be unique. When I post as t8, I never get spammed and as t8, I have exactly the same member role as you and everyone else here.

The other thing to never do is use your browser back button to edit, instead use the Edit link because hitting the back button to the first version of your post means you are going to publish it again. Sometimes its necessary to hit the back button to retrieve a post that didn’t publish though. That happens but is rare.

The key is unique content and that is what will make people read posts. People ignore cut and paste repetition and usually ignore long posts which are better suited as blogs or pages, not forum posts in a conversation.

[Proclaimer]

The bread from heaven Jesus says is HIS FLESH, and that flesh is God’s word from the prophet Isaiah made true, where God’s Spirit descended upon flesh in full measure. This anointed flesh was THEN SENT out into the world, being sent directly from GOD/from heaven to fullfill all of God’s will.

Jodi, your words are nothing but a poor excuse to sidestep what is clearly written because you disagree with scripture. Clearly you can read that the subject is the Son of Man and he will ascend to where he was before and indeed he did. It’s so clear that in order to detract from it, you start quoting scriptures that are easier to twist. We can see through this. The next scripture clearly teaches us that he had glory with the Father before the world began and indeed that is where he is now. No way round it.

John 6:59-62

This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”

Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you? Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!

John 17:5

And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed. 

See how simple these statements are. You need essays to counter it because you can hide the devil in the detail. Let’s see you debunk these verses in one or two paragraphs.

[Ed J]

Hi T8,

No-where in Scripture is Jesus said to be “The Word”.
It is ‘a tradition of men’ taught by ‘the systems of religion’.
When studied: You can see “The Word” is really God’s Holy Spirit.

We been through this before

____________
God bless
Ed J

[Proclaimer]

Yes we have been through this and we discovered this:

“the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God”.

[Jodi]

Hi t8,

Thanks for checking in directly on this thread, though I did see the other thread specifically on this issue and commented there too.

As said, I have never used the back button ever to try and edit a post, I have always used the edit button. Also I have never posted the same post twice on purpose. If my post doesn’t show up I even go through the motion of logging out and back in, as well as exiting out of the website and coming back in, thinking there is something wrong with my computer.  I do this especially when I see my name being listed as the last person to have posted on that topic but I go to that topic and such is not true.  I think maybe it’s there and everyone else can see it but just not me because there is something wrong with my computer.

When I go to submit that same post that doesn’t show, it doesn’t allow me to post it because it says it’s a duplicate. If I change it slightly then of course it does, I recently realized.

Something else weird that occurred within this last week was I went into a thread and for a good part of the day the last pages, where I know the posts were just from the days before, it gave posts instead from 2015, lol!

 

[Berean]

1Cor.10
[1] Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
[2] And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
[3] And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
[4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

[Ed J]

Yes we have been through this and we discovered this:

“the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God”.

YES,

And in Rev we see “the sword” coming out of THE MOUTH of “The Word” (who sits on the white horse)

“The Word” –> the sword of the Spirit out of the mouth –> “The Word”

and in Heb 4:12 we see
“The Word” of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword,
piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow,
and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”

God’s Holy Spirit is the discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Pretty simple

[Jodi]

Hi Ed J and t8,

Ed J, I agree to what you said regarding “The Word” really being God’s Holy Spirit.

Jesus says that the words that he speaks are Spirit and they are life. We are also told that God would raise up a prophet from among brethren and God would put His words into his mouth. We are also told that Jesus spoke God’s word through having received the Spirit.

People speak of Jesus as being the pre-existing  “Word” of God, who they say it was then by him who spoke creation into existence. We know that the anointed Jesus spoke and by his word that was not his but was God’s of God’s Spirit, he healed and even raised the dead. He was not the Spirit himself, the Spirit was dwelling in him giving him the power to perform miracles through words.

t8, if Jesus really did pre-exist, just saying for sake of discussion, was he the Holy Spirit, or was he given of the Holy Spirit with it’s powers to speak God’s creation into existence?

I’d also REALLY like an explanation on the fact that Jesus said he could do nothing of himself, all that he did was through God through God’s Spirit, so with that being the case, what advantage exactly did Jesus have according to his pre-existence, where it was necessary for God to send him down to earth?

[Jodi]

Hi t8,

The SON OF MAN ascended to where he was before.

The SON OF MAN was in heaven and came to earth?

I though you believed an anointed spirit only begotten son came down from heaven and emptied himself to become a Son of Man? Are you saying he transformed himself into a man first and then descended?

Threads are overlapping as usually where we are talking about the same thing.

The Son of Man was on earth, he died and then he ROSE UP from the dead, an ascension being alive once more on earth to be a witness that God’s promise of eternal life unto mankind is true. 

[Berean]

hi to all

 

the truth is that , Jesus,BEFORE existing ” in the FORM of the human flesh”

He existed in “the FORM OF GOD”  right?

Paul is clear with that and more…

5] Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
[6] WHO BEING IN THE FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
[7] BUT MADE HIMSELF OF NO REPUTATION, AND TOOK UPON HIM THE FORM OF A SERVANT, AND WAS MADE IN THE LIKENESS OF MEN:
[8] AND BEING FOUND IN FASHION AS A MAN, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Who being in the form of God…………….took UPON HIM  the form of a SERVANT

WHEN HE WAS IN THE FORM OF GOD, HE WAS NOT A SERVANT, HE WAS SERVED BY THE ANGELS BECAUSE HE WAS AND HE IS ” the captain of the host of the LORD “(Joshua 5:13,14,15)  see also Revelation 19:14)

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[13] And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?

[14] And he said, Nay; but AS CAPTAIN OF THE HOST OF THE LORD, am I now come. And Joshua FELL ON HIS FACE TO THE EARTH, AND DID WORSHIP, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
[15] And THE CAPTAIN OF THE LORD’S HOST said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place WHEREON THOU STANDEST IS HOLY. And Joshua did so.

Whoever wants to hear, let him hear

 

 

 

 

[Berean]

and this is confirmed by Psalm 24

Pss.24
[1] The earth is the LORD’s, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
[2] For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods.
[3] Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?
[4] He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.
[5] He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation.
[6] This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah.

[7] Lift up your head, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
[8] Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle.
[9] Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
[10] Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.

The LORD of hosts, he is the King of glory.

Jesus christ IS THE KING OF GLORY  …is THE LORD of host

 

Darby’s English Translation
24:8 Who is this King of glory? Jehovah strong and mighty, Jehovah mighty in battle.

Hebrew Transliterated
24:8 MY ZH MLK HKBVD YHVH ‘yZVZ VGBVUr YHVH GBVUr MLChMH.

 

 

 

ALLELOUIA

AMEN

 

[Berean]

Verse 1
Who is this King of glory
That pursues me with His love
And haunts me with each hearing
Of His softly spoken words
My conscience a reminder
Of forgiveness that I need
Who is this King of glory
Who offers it to me

Chorus 1
His name is Jesus precious Jesus
Lord Almighty King of my heart
King of glory

Verse 2
Who is this King of angels
O blessed Prince of Peace
Revealing things of heaven
And all its mysteries
My spirit’s ever longing
For His grace in which to stand
Who is this King of glory
Son of God and Son of Man

Chorus 1
His name is Jesus precious Jesus
Lord Almighty King of my heart
King of glory

Verse 3
Who is this King of glory
With strength and majesty
And wisdom beyond measure
The gracious King of kings
The Lord of earth and heaven
The Creator of all things
He is the King of glory
He is ev’rything to me

Chorus 1
His name is Jesus precious Jesus
Lord Almighty King of my heart
King of glory

 

https://www.worshiptogether.com/songs/king-of-glory-third-day

[GeneBalthrop]

Berean, go read  Jodi’s post  # 862070 it’s right on,   it is amazing to me how you people can not understand that.  But it does prove the point,  whom  God has blinded,  they are truly blind.

You and others are not seiousely taking time to read and consider what we are saying, no matter how clear we present it, as long as you do that you will never come to the truth. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours. …………gene

[GeneBalthrop]

Berean…..your posted  song is living proof of how, fallen Christanity has , robbed GOD the Father, and paid Jesus , as  2ths2, clearly shows the apostate church would do, something Jesus never did. He gave God the Father “all” the Glory, saying “I have glorified you upon the earth.”

Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

 

 

 

[Berean]

PSALM 24

Darby’s English Translation
24:8 Who is this King of glory? Jehovah strong and mighty, Jehovah mighty in battle.
Hebrew Transliterated
24:8 MY ZH MLK HKBVD YHVH ‘yZVZ VGBVUr YHVH GBVUr MLChMH.

 

JESUS IS THE KING OF GLORY WHO IS NOW WITH THE FATHER

WHERE HE WAS BEFORE.

UNITARIAN THEORY IS JUST A HERESY THAT DECEIVES PEOPLE AS TO WHO’S REALLY JESUS.
SAYING THAT IN FRONT OF GOD, I’M NOT LYING. IT’S THE TRUTH.
JESUS IS THE DIVINE SON OF GOD MADE FLESH.
FOR THE SALVATION OF OUR SOULS.

God bless

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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