Preexistence

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  • #811073
    Danny Dabbs
    Participant

    Hi Nick,

    John 5:19 “The Son can do nothing of his own accord, BUT……but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son DOES LIKEWISE.”

    Ahh, Great.

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    #811075
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Danny,

    Yes

    God saves.

    And for us through Jesus Christ.

    There is NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN AMONG MEN by which we can be saved.

     

    #811076
    Danny Dabbs
    Participant

    Hi Nick,

    Luke 19:10 “For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”

    Jesus Christ is the Son of Man. Wonderful!!!

    #811077
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Danny,

    Yes you must repent and be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ

    and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.acts 2

    nothing has changed in 2000 years.

    #811081
    Ed J
    Participant

    EDJ….GOD THE FATHER IS THE SAVIOR OF ALL HIS CREATION

    Yes Gene, (1)”Theomatics” (numbers related to Scripture) and (2)Scripture confirm this…

    …………..“God the Father”(117) = “The Savior”(117)

    “God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself” (2 Cor 5:19)

    “In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established” (2 Cor 13:1)

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #811082
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    DANNY DABBS. …IT WAS GOD “IN” THE MAN JESUS THAT WAS RECONCILING THE WORLD UNTO “HIMSELF” the “himself their is God thefather. SO WHO WAS DOING THE WORKS OF SAVING THE WORLD? , WAS IT THE MAN JESUS OR WAS IT GOD THE FATHER?, WHO WAS”IN” HIM DOING THE WORKS. Did JESUS SACRIFICE HIMSELF FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD OR WAS HE THW “LAMB” OF GOD WHOM “GOD” SACRIFICED FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLEWORLD. DOES SCRIPTURE SAY “God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten (from humanity) son, that whosoever believes in him should not parish. Was Jesushis own sacrifical lamb or was he Godthe Father LAMB? YOU ARE A TIPICAL TRINITARIAN AND PREEXISTENCE, WHO IS TAKES AWAY THE GLORY OF GOD AND APPLYING IT TO THE MAN JESUS, THIS IS NOT WHAT JESUS SAID CONCERNING THE FATHER,” for I have glorified “YOU” ON THE EARTH,” JESUS AS WELL AS MOSES WERE INSTERMENTS USED BY THE HAND OF GOD THE FATHER, FOR HIS PERPOSE OF SALVATION, ONE WAS MOSES FOR THE DELIEVERANCE OF ISRAEL, THE OTHER WAS JESUS FOR THE DELIEVERANCE OF THE WORLD FROM SIN.

    GOD THE FATHER IS THE “ONLY” TRUE SAVIOR, NO MATTER WHO HE USES TO DO IT THROUGH, HE ALONE IS THE POWER BEHIND IT ALL, ALL GLORY GOSE TO HIM, without exceptions.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

    #811101
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    Why is Christ Jesus the only mediator between God and men?

    1. Because he is the “Son of God” (God being his father and Mary his mother)
    2. Because he is the only man lucky enough to not sin his entire life
    3. Other …?

    ________________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #811104
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    We should not be limited by options defined by your spiritual knowledge should we?

    #811108
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Nick,

    We should not be limited by opinions stated by your spiritual knowledge should we?

    #811109
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    We should not be limited by options defined by your spiritual knowledge should we?

    Hi Nick,

    Did you somehow miss the choice: 3. Other …?
    Which allows others to define their spiritual knowledge

    #811129
    Danny Dabbs
    Participant

    Gene, I’m not a Trinitarian. The Father and His Son are working together. You refuse to accept that Jesus IS the Savior of the World.

    1 John 4:14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

    Danny

     

    #811134
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Danny Dabbs. ….IF GOD THE FATHER sent him and Jesus said the Father who was “in” him did the works, and Jesus as a true servant of God was doing God the fathers will, so again who gets creditfor the work of salvation no matter who he chose to do it through , rather Moses to deliever the childern of ISRAEL, OR the man Jesus to deliever the world from sin, it all IS TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER, JUST AS I SAYS IN ROMANS “TO DEMINISTRATE “HIS” RIGHTIOUSNESS. ROM 3:25-26, and read also ROM 8:31- 33, DANNY IT WAS GOD THE FATHERS WORK FROM START TO FINISH.

    PAYING TRIBUT FOR SALVATION TO JESUS , AT THE EXPENCE OF GOD THE FATHER IS NOT WISE DANNY, MOST ALL CHRISTENDOM ONLY TALKS ABOUT JESUS AT THE EXPENSE OF GOD THE FATHER, YOU HARDLY EVER HEAR ABOUT GOD THE FATHER IN ANY CHURCH YOU MAY ATTEND, IT ALWAYS ABOUT JESUS, BUT THE TRUTH IS JESUS WAS A VESSEL THAT GOD THE FATHER BROUGHT INTO EXISTENCE, A PURE HUMAN BEING BY FATHERING HIM IN MARY, HE NEVER PREEXISTED HIS BERTH ON THIS EARTH. REMEMBER the old saying “they rob PETER and pay PAUL, So do many christians, they rod GOD the FATHER and pay JESUS, BUT true christians do bow to Jesus “TO THE GLORY OF GOD” , WE SHOULD NEVER FORGET THAT. IMO

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

    #811136
    Ed J
    Participant

    “And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savoir of the world.” (1 John 4:14)

    Hi Danny,

    The Ordinary Jesus Brigade refuse to accept the divine nature of Jesus,
    even though the bible calls “Jesus” the “Son of God” repeatedly.

    “Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us
    through the righteousness of God and our Savior Jesus Christ: Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through
    the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things
    that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
    Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of
    the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.” (2 Peter 1:1-4)

    1. the righteousness of God
    2. the righteousness our savior Jesus Christ

    3. that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature

    …………..Glory to Jesus Christ our savior!

    “But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed
    into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.” (2 Cor 3:18)

    ____________________
    Your brother
    in Christ
    Ed J

    #811137
    Danny Dabbs
    Participant

    Hi Ed J,

    Thanks for your support, although we disagree on some points.

    We both believe that Jesus Christ was sent to be the Savior of the World. (1 John 4:14)

    God Bless you.

    Your Brother in Christ,

    Danny

    #811138
    Danny Dabbs
    Participant

    Gene, I worship them BOTH. The redeemed in the Book of Revelation ascribe their salvation to Him who is on the throne as well as to the Lamb.

    Revelation 7:10 And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, AND to the Lamb.”

    John 5:23 that all may honor the Son JUST as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

    God Bless you.

    Your Brother in Christ,

    Danny

     

    #811140
    kerwin
    Participant

    Danny Dabbs,

    The builder builds in vain unless God is with him.

    Who builds the house?

    1) God
    2) The builder
    3) Both.

    Who is extraneous?

    1) God
    2) The builder
    3) Neither

    A short explanation for your answers in case we are not thinking along the same lines.

    #811141
    kerwin
    Participant

    Ed,

    You only reveal you lack of knowledge by trying to make “Son of God” mean something it does not.

    You are well aware that God call both those that received the Law and those that received the Spirit his sons.

    Doing so damages your credibility.

    #811153
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Kerwin,

    I’m not seeking credibility from you, but thanks for the offer.

    _______________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #811156
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    You offer

    The Ordinary Jesus Brigade refuse to accept the divine nature of Jesus,

     

    No because we have one God and one Lord.

    God was in Christ but Christ was not God.

    #811157
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    You offer

    The Ordinary Jesus Brigade refuse to accept the divine nature of Jesus,

    Hi Nick,

    T8 started the thread and named it, not me.

    Well do you accept the divine nature of Jesus? (– really, I do want to know )

    ________________
    God bless
    Ed J

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